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Maybe GW will do like what they just did with the Guardsman box and give us an updated Boyz box with new bits added to try and keep them relevant and diverse.

Probably not, but one can dream. Maybe just an upgrade bits box like SM have.

Technically, the lootas/burnas box already is an upgrade set for boyz.

What would be cool would be for GW to give us the possibility of putting burna boys inside boy mobz, and get that sweet AP. Of course the burnas would get their 3rd attack if more than twenty models, just like reg boyz. They would just be boyz, "with a burna", but just boyz.

Same could go for lootas (as in the picture), but i dunno if that would have play.

Something like one out of 5 boyz. We coudl then get possibly 18 attacks with AP, without event counting the nob.
We might as well be OP too

 addnid wrote:
What would be cool would be for GW to give us the possibility of putting burna boys inside boy mobz, and get that sweet AP. Of course the burnas would get their 3rd attack if more than twenty models, just like reg boyz. They would just be boyz, "with a burna", but just boyz.

Same could go for lootas (as in the picture), but i dunno if that would have play.

Something like one out of 5 boyz. We coudl then get possibly 18 attacks with AP, without event counting the nob.
We might as well be OP too

thats how they work in the Dawn of War video games. Burna boys slugga boyz can be upgraded to give 2 of them flamers.

What would be cool would be for GW to give us the possibility of putting burna boys inside boy mobz, and get that sweet AP. Of course the burnas would get their 3rd attack if more than twenty models, just like reg boyz. They would just be boyz, "with a burna", but just boyz.

That's how it worked in 3rd Ed Codex and Armageddon supplement... But this will not happen unless they upgrade the boyz sprue to include burnas...

I just want a downward shift in points for Burnaz as they feel overcosted. Using the made up named concept of "buses" in my army I split the "bus" between passengers and ablative armour. E.g. a Trukk have 5 Nobz + 7 Kommandos (because they're the cheapest ablative armour). Had Burnaz cost say 10 I´d see them as possible extra wounds whilst still able to impact.

I really want Kommandos to actually feel like kommandos, and not cheap "grots" for 45 points we use for the sole purpose of holding objecitves and doing actions.


They should be dangerous, lethal, and do even better in cover. Though i want the rule for the enemy to be entirely in cover out, just a single model should be in cover for them to get bonuses, otherwise its too easy to counter.

I really hope that we do not lose Deffkoptas. They are an iconic Ork unit, and they have been around for ages.

I had hoped for new kits for Deffkoptas, Kommandos and Tankbustas, but now only the latter look somewhat realistic with the new release.


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Beardedragon wrote:
I really want Kommandos to actually feel like kommandos, and not cheap "grots" for 45 points we use for the sole purpose of holding objecitves and doing actions.


They should be dangerous, lethal, and do even better in cover. Though i want the rule for the enemy to be entirely in cover out, just a single model should be in cover for them to get bonuses, otherwise its too easy to counter.

A lot of Ork units feel rather underwhelming these days, as many units, such as burnas, kommandos and regular Nobz have next to no killing power compared to newer factions. We have a handfull of killy units, and the rest cannot do much more than sit on objectives it seems.

Burnas just need to go back to D6 hits and get the 12" treatment.
Its BS that they cut their shots in half because they get AP2 in melee. Who cares they never actually get to use it.

Looks like Ghazkull is losing his degrading profile and his gun becoming rapid fire 12.

Always 7" move, S7, A7 now.
Though his gun will only be really used while in combat, albeit 24 shots now.

24 shots also isn't too shappy for overwatch, especially if a dark eldar HQ is trying to finish him.

Datasheet:

Where is that information coming from?

Discord/reddit.

Bossdoc wrote:

What would be cool would be for GW to give us the possibility of putting burna boys inside boy mobz, and get that sweet AP. Of course the burnas would get their 3rd attack if more than twenty models, just like reg boyz. They would just be boyz, "with a burna", but just boyz.

That's how it worked in 3rd Ed Codex and Armageddon supplement... But this will not happen unless they upgrade the boyz sprue to include burnas...

True. I do wish, here we go..., that they'd make a different box for Orks. Like a battle force box with boys and lootas in it and maybe another plastic unit. But give us a data sheet with those options, so Ork players would be able to expand or have a reason to buy a new box of stuff. I do not expect that to happen. GW's set in their ways, fewer models at a higher price.





Played a game yesterday and couldn't get out of my deployment Zone. Boxed in by Ogryen squads. Has anyone found success playing MSU boys vs AM? Semi-competitive AM. I'm thinking that's what I want to try against that nest. How do you deal with indirect artillery like a Manticore, or two manticores? Back to the ol' tellaporta pad?

i forget, the "Explosion" icon means blast right?
So those things on Ghaz's back are essentially grenade launchers.

Makes me sad he doesn't have a sweep.

But maybe he can throttle his attacks up anyway (say close to 10 on average), so he effectively has one anyway.

Well, he did get 7 attacks at all times, going up from 5 and "degrading" to 7.

Do these instructions usually show if the unit in question has a degrading profile?

Excellent changes if correct.

 xlDuke wrote:
Do these instructions usually show if the unit in question has a degrading profile?

Yes, they do.

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, he did get 7 attacks at all times, going up from 5 and "degrading" to 7.

7 would still let him get bogged down, but it's close.

But Goffs typically generate more attacks, and we haven't seen warlord traits, strats, etc so base 7 + whatever else might be plenty anyway.

Either way, promising. Non degrading and he gets his maxed out stats is stellar.

Those datasheets also dont mention any special rules so he could get a rule based on numbers hes facing as his sweep.
I cant recall a 40k rule doing that, usually AoS, but theyve been bleeding so much AoS into 40k its possible.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Those datasheets also dont mention any special rules so he could get a rule based on numbers hes facing as his sweep.
I cant recall a 40k rule doing that, usually AoS, but theyve been bleeding so much AoS into 40k its possible.

I think there's a blood angels thing that does just that, actually.

tulun wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Well, he did get 7 attacks at all times, going up from 5 and "degrading" to 7.

7 would still let him get bogged down, but it's close.

But Goffs typically generate more attacks, and we haven't seen warlord traits, strats, etc so base 7 + whatever else might be plenty anyway.

Either way, promising. Non degrading and he gets his maxed out stats is stellar.

Worst case you now have 24 shots to get him out of combat

I think the biggest buff ghaz could get would be not being locked to klan warlord traits. Also, ya gitz think shootas n big shootas will go to rapidfire?, would be an interesting change. getting 4 s4 shots even on our bs would be pretty nice. Assuming we keep dakka and bad moonz, we'd get like 44 percent chance to hit with 4 shots per shoota boy.

thats literally any named character. There isnt a single named character that isnt forced to use a specific trait if they get one at all.

Hopefully though they dont gak it up this time and make the generic warlord trait better than the goff specific one (even post-faq its knda meh)

Any bets how they'll address our shooting?

Seems like -1 to hit is *everywhere*.

Unless they give us even more dice to roll (which is dumb when there isn't a -1 to hit), I wonder if they'll give us unmod 5s hit.

But people seem to think that's busted. I don't see how. 6s to hit is a total waste of everyone's time.

Not to nitpick on something minor but shouldn’t ghaz be ld9?
I get it orks... but he’s like the only character that gets others warlords to just join him every time he does another failed raid on armeggedon or wherever else he wants to use them... since he’s suppose to be the big leader I kinda expect him to be the biggest leadership... game wise it doesn’t matter though cause orks..

I'm just sad that ghaz doesn't have like krak bomm launchas or something so his little grenade launchers are useful. Would maybe also hope the biggest an bestest ork in the setting would have like a 4+ bs lol

Was his gun ap-1 before? If it wasn't do you think that might mean that our big shoota gets ap-1 in this edition?

They might also replace the goff warlord trait with something actually useful. Or do something like they did with Mortarion or Terminus Est Typhus where he gets multiple traits