Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

No re-rolls please. There are so many more interesting buffs that could be done that don't require picking up dice for a second time.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Tomsug wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

what do you mean. Im pretty sure the box i ordered from my local shop is ready for pick up the 24th of july? so thats when the earliest codex will be released

So than I' m confused. Jidmah wrote there, that codex alone will be sold around half of the august?

If you pre-ordered the box today, you get your codex next week. If you didn't, you get in late August. Totally awesome and fair to everyone... not.

agreed theres a lot other things they could do than rerolls.
But at the same token i'd take a reroll over what 3 sources of +1 to hit i can easily use now?

-1 to hit in melee is rare, thats the only time more sources of +1 would help

 Jidmah wrote:



Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Tomsug wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

what do you mean. Im pretty sure the box i ordered from my local shop is ready for pick up the 24th of july? so thats when the earliest codex will be released

So than I' m confused. Jidmah wrote there, that codex alone will be sold around half of the august?

If you pre-ordered the box today, you get your codex next week. If you didn't, you get in late August. Totally awesome and fair to everyone... not.

Standalone codex release could be as late as sometime in September. Here's what the recent "Preorder Beast Snaggas" article from today states:

Please note that the Orlando leg of the US Open takes place after the release of the Beast Snagga Orks Army Set, but before the stand-alone codex is available. To make the tournament fair for any Warbosses who might miss out on the boxed set, the current Ork codex will be used at this event. Don’t worry, you’ll have plenty of opportunities to unleash your new Beast Snaggas at future tournaments.

Checking the dates for the US Open, the Orlando Open is August 13-15.

The next official event after that is the Warhammer Open in New Orleans, October 1-3.

That still gives a window of roughly 6 weeks for the codex to release on it's own. Assuming of course that the Beast Snagga article failed to mention the New Orleans Open because the codex should be available for everyone by then.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
agreed theres a lot other things they could do than rerolls.
But at the same token i'd take a reroll over what 3 sources of +1 to hit i can easily use now?

-1 to hit in melee is rare, thats the only time more sources of +1 would help

Personally I would leave the +1 to hit for buzzgrob, freebooters, tankbustas, snaggas, you can even leave it for the Waagh banner nob since that will allow people to pick up another aura of it if needed somewhere…
But I would turn the multiple warboss varients into a reroll 1 aura… mostly because most warboss are already 2+ to hit unless they have a PK but also because reroll 1 to hit is the only aura that prevents Kustom blastas from mortal wounding your boyz.

 Jidmah wrote:
No re-rolls please. There are so many more interesting buffs that could be done that don't require picking up dice for a second time.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Tomsug wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

what do you mean. Im pretty sure the box i ordered from my local shop is ready for pick up the 24th of july? so thats when the earliest codex will be released

So than I' m confused. Jidmah wrote there, that codex alone will be sold around half of the august?

If you pre-ordered the box today, you get your codex next week. If you didn't, you get in late August. Totally awesome and fair to everyone... not.

Agreed on the no rerolls thing, it's not an Orky thing to begin with, we ain't no sissy spehss mahreens.

I would have preferred the WAAAGH! Banner give us +1A aura bubble, or some kind of ability that is triggered in the command phase where you can choose a unit within 6" of the Banner and they treat it as if though they have the benefits of a WAAAGH! (the first stage version) being called that turn. Could make sure a key unit gets that consistent boost.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

-1 to hit in melee is rare, thats the only time more sources of +1 would help

Power klaws and killsaws still come with -1 to hit, so you could stack the +1's and get meganobz or PK nobz hitting on 2+. Or just have multiple sources spread out so you can hand the buff out to more places at once I suppose.

I haven't seen the Waaagh! banner in the leaks yet that I can recall, do we know for sure that it hasn't changed to some other effect?

True, PK/KS would benefit from +2 to hit.

However that would be a regular boss + waaagh! banner for that to happen since the other ones are beastsnagga specific.

Still no codex reviews? :(

Ash, where are you?!

Yeah, kinda shocked nothing has been posted so far given the massive leaks that happened yesterday.

I am impressed by the stats of the 'Uge choopa, I probably will keep the axe on my soon-to-be-converted AOS warboss ( into a Mega-armoured Boss).
Maybe don't even need to change it to the killchoopa relic.

Yeah the megaboss seems dope. And only 115pts!

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Still no codex reviews? :(

Ash, where are you?!

1. It ' s hard to make a serious review from the fragments and don' t look like a fool as the fullcodex drop.
2. Those, who makes an interesting reviews have one copy of the codex already and contract with GW “we give you the book earlier and you shut up until oficial release”. This is a standard procedure with any kind of stuff - movies, books, etc., I would be surprised warhammer is something different.

Btw. such people have to have a super fun watching this speculations and knowing the full codex

The full codex has gone up for pre-order in the beast Snagga box. So it’s usually the time reviews go up.

EDIT: But maybe the box with the book going up for pre-order don’t technically count as the usual time of the NDA end point, as it’s slightly awkward compared to the book releasing by itself, while this is an early limited time box.

gungo wrote:

Madjob wrote:

gungo wrote:
So a +1 to hit melee aura that doesn’t stack with the various warbosses +1 to hit melee auras, and doesn’t stack with the snagga +1 to hit melee auras, or the freebooter +1 to hit aura or the several other strats and ability +1 to hit auras…seriously wtf gw… you would think maybe change it to +1 to wound or reroll 1 to hit or anything diffrent.

It gives a source for +1 to hit in melee for vehicles, since none of our vehicles are Core. Snakebite Snaggas would probably have been out of control if there was a third source of +1 to wound for them, there'd be nothing in the game they couldn't wound on a 2+.

Mekboss buzzgrob has a +1to hit aura for that too and it works on ranged atks! (Dreads not buggies)

Honestly my main gripe is either Waagh banner or warboss needs to be changed to reroll 1 to hit… there is literally no thought to the dozen plus +1 to hit melee auras. And we will already have a mandatory warboss version in every detachment. Making the Waagh banner redundant.

Unfortunately, if I am not mistaken, Buzzgob doesn’t have an aura, he has “select one at the command phase”, so for his price tag I wonder if he is worth it. Maybe ish?

Assuming the warboss's +1 aura self applies, wouldn't the klaw be better than the huge Choppa anyway? X2 versus +3.

It's X2 -3 2D -1 to hit now.

Also, huge note, in case anyone missed it - it's been confirmed that subkulturs will replace klan rules for those units, so you can't stack Goff with Trukk boyz, etc. That's a big deal and presents a big opportunity cost.

 TedNugent wrote:

Also, huge note, in case anyone missed it - it's been confirmed that subkulturs will replace klan rules for those units, so you can't stack Goff with Trukk boyz, etc. That's a big deal and presents a big opportunity cost.

I think that is a fair deal if you take the subkultur on units that don’t really need the Klan abilities, like Goff Manz or Tankbustas.

Is it agreed that the text on Trukk Boyz allows the keyword as opposed to the unit name, and that MANZ can take it?

I was thinking, they could be quite strong as well with the +1 to hit aura from a boss...


Um, huge update.

Bonebreaka 175
3+ Toughness 8
Has ere we go at least per the app, includes deff Rolla.
6+D6 on the charge

I don’t think the new Megaboss can use a Klaw.

He can't but his big choppa is spechial.

 Jidmah wrote:
No re-rolls please. There are so many more interesting buffs that could be done that don't require picking up dice for a second time.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Tomsug wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

what do you mean. Im pretty sure the box i ordered from my local shop is ready for pick up the 24th of july? so thats when the earliest codex will be released

So than I' m confused. Jidmah wrote there, that codex alone will be sold around half of the august?

If you pre-ordered the box today, you get your codex next week. If you didn't, you get in late August. Totally awesome and fair to everyone... not.

i know. it sucks they hold back the codex JUST because they can.

https://imgur.com/a/Tcv0ja3

a fairly big list of app leaks here, lol games workshop accidentally put the new codex on the warhammer app xD

Do we know if Ghaz still has his unique rule of only losing 4 wounds a phase?

Ghaz still 4 wounds per phase.

But he's nerfed hard. We cannot heal him. No +1 attack aura. No advance and charge. No good moral aura.

Battlewagon 6 attacks 120 T7 and 3+
deff rolla 15
ard case 15 points +1T lose open top
Ghazghkull takes up 18/20 models but can be transported
Seems like a pretty good deal

Gunwagon seems kinda dumb, 175 with a killcannon which is heavy D6 shots blast S8 AP2 2D, can add lobba and big shootas for 5p apiece, +1 BS on KC

the stompa is 675 for those wondering about GW maths








Automatically Appended Next Post:
what does GW have against gretchin, no save an extra -1 for attrition lol XD

I'm not seeing a power klaw on the warboss, which is ridiculous. The profile says big choppa, it's 90 zogging points and forces you to take a kombi weapon.

They're saying they can take the klaw but it's either been cropped off the sheet grabs or it isn't on the app.

Note: Zogrodd, like Ghaz, can be taken in any detachment, he just does not benefit from the clan rules.

This was said before but only 1 warboss per detachment. Complete trash.

Megaboss is looking like the autotake for only 25 p over the regular warboss and a far superior profile with +1 wound and a 2+/5++ with a better weapon. You could take a relic weapon on the boss, but I like how the huge choppa frees you up to take a defensive relic if you want to, and the 5++ means you lose less opportunity cost to take an offensive relic besides. It's just way more flexible for what you pay. If you can take the klaw my opinion may change, as at least the klaw gets +1 to hit from the aura and is then superior to the huge choppa, freeing you up to take a 4++ relic or WT.

Still mad there's nothing about Cybork bodies.

Painboss:
80
7"
3+ S5 T5 5W 4A Ld8 4+/6++ Power Snappa
Beast Snagga Klaw 5p upgrade S+4 -3 AP 2D -1 to hit
Beast Snagga (e.g. 6++, +1 to hit vehi or monst)
Can ONLY heal Beast Snagga within clan in 3"
6+++ aura to all units, not snagga locked

Kebabcito wrote:
Ghaz still 4 wounds per phase.

But he's nerfed hard. We cannot heal him. No +1 attack aura. No advance and charge. No good moral aura.

yeah and no, goffs kulture now gets extra HITS on 6's not extra attacks with +1 strength on a charge, in addition to a stratagem unbriddled carnage giving extra HITS on 5 & 6's for core and character units.

Anyone running goffs will come out of this codex ok

Rare buffs in an otherwise underwhelming codex..........the stratagems in particular have been nerfed very badly

The mega armor warboss has a Uge’ choppa not big choppa..
It’s essentially a powerklaw without the -1 to hit
Uge’ choppa-
+3 str (on a 6str warboss), -3 ap, 2d
The difference of str 9 (or 10 for charging goffs) to 12 is only viable for wounding on titanic units with 9 or higher toughness (extremely rare)… no need to be upset about no powerklaw..

lol for 2cp i can inlflict smite on my own units to stop them fleeing

gungo wrote:

The difference of str 9 (or 10 for charging goffs) to 12 is only viable for wounding on titanic units with 9 or higher toughness (extremely rare)… no need to be upset about no powerklaw..

S12 wounds on 2s models with T5 or T6 actually, S9 only on 3s but on the charge it wounds on 2s models on T5 at least. Da Killa Klaw is far superior than a 'uge Choppa.