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Yeah Ghaz is too much at 300, especially losing his +1 A bonus. His resiliency is really hurt too by not having a way to be healed.

I'd rather a MA warboss at half the cost and just buy more stuff.

In general I think the value of our HQ slots has gone down a lot.

Yeah I’m kinda just gonna be taking a Megaboss and a Weirdboy. I’d possibly also take a beast Snagga squigasour in another detachment. But I’m not really inspired by the others yet.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Yeah I’m kinda just gonna be taking a Megaboss and a Weirdboy. I’d possibly also take a beast Snagga squigasour in another detachment. But I’m not really inspired by the others yet.

We have a fairly good selection of WLTs and relics to slap on bosses of different varieties so there's that. I think the Gofftide with Ghaz style is going to really struggle though.

You can also just drop Thrakka into the supreme command detachment and run a pain boss and a kff mek as your battalion HQs.

IMO people are focused too much on making old lists work right now. That the green tide is no longer a top competitive options is not necessarily a bad thing.

 Jidmah wrote:
You can also just drop Thrakka into the supreme command detachment and run a pain boss and a kff mek as your battalion HQs.

IMO people are focused too much on making old lists work right now. That the green tide is no longer a top competitive options is not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't disagree - I'm exhausted by pushing 120+ models around. I've been doing it a lot since 5th and a change is nice.

I think 2 detachments to double dip on klans will be the way forward.

Big Mek with KFF looks really good. 2CP for the KFF strat is a steal, considering what a 9" bubble, a true invul save and no "wholly within" limitation can do for you.

Yes, he can't keep up, but even for the first two turns it's almost a no-brainer.

KFF won't be 9" since it literally says the aura cannot be increased

I will play him 100% and i'll waste a lot of cp on him cuz i think he's op too, but i will probably not play greentide

Kebabcito wrote:
KFF won't be 9" since it literally says the aura cannot be increased

Unless stated otherwise, and the stratagem states otherwise.

I reckon I’m gonna make a list of Goffs, Megaboss, Weirdboy, boyz, Meganobz, Flash Gitz, Kommandos, Dreads, Kanz, Mek Gunz, A Bonebreaka and some Trukks, if I can fit all that into a list lol. Seems fun though.

I’d like to squeeze in some Squig Hogs and a nob on smash a but the rest is already a squeeze.

Stupid but painboss doesn't heal boys, just snagga.

 Jidmah wrote:
You can also just drop Thrakka into the supreme command detachment and run a pain boss and a kff mek as your battalion HQs.

IMO people are focused too much on making old lists work right now. That the green tide is no longer a top competitive options is not necessarily a bad thing.

I agree. It takes some time and experience to think with the new codex in mind, typically when a new codex is dropped old combos and tactics don't work anymore except for a few selected options maybe. Personally I hate fielding 30 man blobs so I'm actually very pleased that GW is pushing for other builds, without making boyz a tax.

And I'm also very glad that Dread/Kanz CCWs are now merged into a single profile.

Man, I really would like to know the Kustom Jobs. Mek Workshop at 70 points might have play if they turn out decent. I wonder what the placement rules for the workshop are. Could be a big help for securing one of your home objectives.

I agree Blackie. Real keen on the dreads and Kanz, and having smaller sized boy units.

I'm looking forward to seeing what combos everyone comes up with, I think 'relearning' how orks play is going to be interesting and I'm also thinking of double klanning, I will stick with my beloved deathskulls for the main part but I'm also planning a snakebite outrider so I can have full on squighog boys cavalry led by Mozrog who is an absolute weapon now. As most of us I'm not very excited about the strats but as people have said I think the strength of our book will be in our stats not strats, keeping an optimistic viewpoint anyway

I think i'll try a big hord of snakebite boyz, KFF, and painboy with some killa kan behind. V5 flavour.

Trukks work for me, I just don't know when to stop!

I want atleast bonebreaka wagon, buggy squadron and deffkoptas. And then nobs of both kind. Then bikes. Then those new kommandos when those show up...

Depending on your army and how many CP we have and need kff Mek might work… but it’s to early for me to speculate on lists since I still don’t know if zagstrukk makes stormboys even better then they are or if snikrot makes kommandos better, or if maddoc or painboy or makari or painboss is better with ghaz, or if it’s better to just take a mega boss with a snagga boss squigrider, maybe Gw FAQs the 2 dozen flavors or +1 to hit and makes one of them better since that’s the laziest dumbest Design for an Aura on every unit in a codex I’ve ever seen. Plus as soon as we get the faq/errata there is a new warzone for orks with more strats to look at. I’m still not even 100% sure specialist mobs remove clan kulturs or how exactly they work other then people speculating about a blurb they read on the early app leak that can be read either way.

gungo wrote:
Depending on your army and how many CP we have and need kff Mek might work… but it’s to early for me to speculate on lists since I still don’t know if zagstrukk makes stormboys even better then they are or if snikrot makes kommandos better, or if maddoc or painboy or makari or painboss is better with ghaz, or if it’s better to just take a mega boss with a snagga boss squigrider, maybe Gw FAQs the 2 dozen flavors or +1 to hit and makes one of them better since that’s the laziest dumbest Design for an Aura on every unit in a codex I’ve ever seen. Plus as soon as we get the faq/errata there is a new warzone for orks with more strats to look at. I’m still not even 100% sure specialist mobs remove clan kulturs or how exactly they work other then people speculating about a blurb they read on the early app leak that can be read either way.

You are right of course, but speculating is more fun than sitting in silence till next Saturday

Having been completely gone from 40k the last 6 months and trying to get back up to speed, reading these last 15 pages has certainly been a rollercoaster of emotion. I think the book looks pretty strong and I'm excited to try out some new stuff but it also looks like we've lost a bit too much of our zany flavour IMO. And big RIP to my Evil Sunz kultur if there's no way to get dakka weapons to count as assault, but whatever I'm going down with my red ship.

It feels crazy to me that my old joke build of 3x maxed out squads of warbikers might actually be pretty good now, and buggies look legit good even if I had hoped that some of the kustom jobs would've merged into their profile in the new 'dex. The anti-synergy of the rokkitlauncha being heavy on the shokkjump that wants to advance to use its signature ability does annoy me a bit TBH.

Am I crazy or does the new Hunta Rig and Kill Rig look really good? They have a bunch of attacks in CC that aren't super vulnerable to being degraded (unlike battlewagons) and they're T8 even though they're open-topped (again, unlike battlewagons). Yeah the open-topped is restricted in usage but the whole thing is a pretty attractive package a that cost I think. I love the idea of a psyker added on as well, and getting another gun, auto-hitting at that, for not too much added cost seems like a decent deal..?

I think the Killrig is better then hunter rig… the wierdboy on the rig gives it the character keyword and makes several aura abilities pretty strong…

Lots of little things are just changed in this codex that we are still Figuring out. No more healing strat means no way to heal ghaz, even Makari 2++ only works once and can’t be used again if it ever fails.

So killrig is character and you have a 12" T8 -1 Damage 4++ 5+++ mortarion who can be healed every turn. Hes a Transport so he can advance and charge with waaagh and hit at +1 with warboss

FAQ incomin

I mean, yes there are some wonky interactions with it being a character in regards to WTs and relics but even if they FAQ all that out I still think it has some pretty serious legs. Just being able to chuck out the "Frazzle" power from a unit that I assume has a Knight-sized base sounds pretty darn tasty if it has made its way up to a skirmish in the mid-board.

Also worth keeping in mind a number of potential force multipliers we still know nothing about:

Grotsnik, Snikrot, Zagstruk, Waagh banner, Runtherd, Badrukk, Nob on Squig, etc. Could potentially be seeing some units get stronger and with the warboss restriction theres a lot more reason to look at other hqs

Kebabcito wrote:
So killrig is character and you have a 12" T8 -1 Damage 4++ 5+++ mortarion who can be healed every turn. Hes a Transport so he can advance and charge with waaagh and hit at +1 with warboss

FAQ incomin

lol you can also use psykic powers on it like fist of gork.
using the wurzeboy casating it on yourself xD

Im just happy as a new player that my 1x30 boy squad can now be used to fill up a battalion

Now I dont need to paint 60 more boiz just to run more kanz and/or deffdreads! Also, im VERY excited to hear that the afore mentioned heavies are going to be viable picks.

With the leaks so far.... What would you guys say is the most appealing loadout for the dread with the currently available info? Is there some way to make a melee dread good or is it flatout better to run it as a gun platform?

Im thinking 3x10 boy squads in goffs, a trukk/BW with nobz as trukkboiz, maybe some flashgitz amd kanz as artilery and a dread if I have any points left for a 500pts game. Im forgetting the HQ but ill just pick the cheapest i think

I know its too soon for lists but this is a kind of wishlist i want to be able to field.

 kingbbobb wrote:

Spoiler:

lol you can also use psykic powers on it like fist of gork.
using the wurzeboy casating it on yourself xD

He cannot cast it on himself as "Fists of Gork" is a Power of da Waaagh power and not a Beasthead power. The Kill Rig only gains access to the Beasthead powers (and smite), so it's down to "Beastscent", "Frazzle" and "Bitin' Jawz"

 kingbbobb wrote:

Kebabcito wrote:
So killrig is character and you have a 12" T8 -1 Damage 4++ 5+++ mortarion who can be healed every turn. Hes a Transport so he can advance and charge with waaagh and hit at +1 with warboss

FAQ incomin

lol you can also use psykic powers on it like fist of gork.
using the wurzeboy casating it on yourself xD

The era of the man has come to an end

till next FAQ

in theory that that could be 9 base attacks +4 attacks from butcha boys and +4 from horns and hooves = 17 melee attacks

many of these attacks would be at strength 10 and with beast snagga ability +1 to hit against vehicles hiting on 2s

pretty tasty vehicle monter slayer for just 190 points

and i havn't even mentioned its transport (open topped) and shooting abilities



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PiñaColada wrote:

 kingbbobb wrote:

Spoiler:

lol you can also use psykic powers on it like fist of gork.
using the wurzeboy casating it on yourself xD

He cannot cast it on himself as "Fists of Gork" is a Power of da Waaagh power and not a Beasthead power. The Kill Rig only gains access to the Beasthead powers (and smite), so it's down to "Beastscent", "Frazzle" and "Bitin' Jawz"

spoil sport lol

someone else can cast it on him then


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truks and battlewagons have gained ere we go - combined with ramming speed means they have a better chance of making a charge than before

Personally im really not feeling the new snagga stuff at all. It seems so annoyingly self contained. Any given buggy you can take and slot into yoyr list reasonably well but the snaggas really are primaris orks: weirdly disconnected from the rest of the dex, bunch of dubiously useful stat boosts like 6++ and T6 instead of T5, etc, just zero synergies and, her thanks gw, theyve kidnapped like half the content in the codex in terms of strats relics traits etc...

hmmm makari no longer takes up a slot with gaz included- probably so they can both fit in the supreme comand detachment