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 Jidmah wrote:

You will see in 8-10 years .

Wait.. whats the worst that can happen???

MrStressy wrote:
Does anyone know if we keep sparkly bits or another way to get our dreads or nauts to BS4 ? Apologies if I've missed it, was always one of my go to custom jobs for my shooty dreads

as far as i know no info on that yet

by the way... tellyporta is still 2cp and 20power level BUT no monsters can be tellyported... so no ghaz nor squiggoth :/
gunwagon is a side grade at best... you'll get less hits with da boomer, its costs 5 points more but u'll save one CP... quite meh in my oppinion (especially with the nerfed clan traits)

pepi55 wrote:
Because it is funny to see our reactions to dreads not being core I presume

funnies aside, what would that mean exactly? no waaagh for the dreads?

Can't Da Jump them.

pepi55 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

You will see in 8-10 years .

Wait.. whats the worst that can happen???

The putty will dry up and you will keep buying new putty to replace it, so nothing terrible unless a bit falls off and breaks/gets lost. If you spend a few hours on magnetizing your models, you will never have to bother with it again, and you can easily store the extra options by sticking them to something magnetic.

In other news: I lucked out biiiiiig time. an LGS in my country had one box of snaggas left!!!

Im excited to get the codex and it to be outdated the moment I finish reading it

MrStressy wrote:
Does anyone know if we keep sparkly bits or another way to get our dreads or nauts to BS4 ? Apologies if I've missed it, was always one of my go to custom jobs for my shooty dreads

Even if the known kustom jobs are all we get In The new book. We should get more jobs/strats in the campaign book that comes out shortly after the codex.
If it’s not there I think the only way to increase the BS is buzzgrob fw Mek.

pepi55 wrote:
In other news: I lucked out biiiiiig time. an LGS in my country had one box of snaggas left!!!

Im excited to get the codex and it to be outdated the moment I finish reading it

Congrats, but please stop parroting that gak. The codices are usually not outdated because they receive errata and FAQs unless GW does something super-stupid like they did with 8th edition's SW codex.

 Jidmah wrote:


Congrats, but please stop parroting that gak. The codices are usually not outdated because they receive errata and FAQs unless GW does something super-stupid like they did with 8th edition's SW codex.

Okay good to hear. I mostly repeated what I heard/read earlier

gungo wrote:

MrStressy wrote:
Does anyone know if we keep sparkly bits or another way to get our dreads or nauts to BS4 ? Apologies if I've missed it, was always one of my go to custom jobs for my shooty dreads

Even if the known kustom jobs are all we get In The new book. We should get more jobs/strats in the campaign book that comes out shortly after the codex.
If it’s not there I think the only way to increase the BS is buzzgrob fw Mek.

Don't expect too much from the campaign. For DG all the rules are either gak or merely nice to have - the ork equivalent would probably be something like getting a dreadmob army of renown. Nice for some people, but does nothing if you don't play that kind of army.

I honestly hope the book of rust and the repackaged chaos stuff bombed hard enough to teach them a lesson.

I kinda wouldn’t be surprised if they give us a green tide rule in the campaign book, as they’ve made it less useful in the codex.

Personally I can’t stand these campaign books giving armies extra rules. Pay to win DLC in war games and just extra ways to skew balance is not my cup of tea.
Not to mention the fact that they’re coming out at the same time as the books, when they could’ve just put some of the rules in the actual codex themselves instead of splitting it up between books. But, ya know, monaaaayyyy.

For everyone wondering here all all leaked kustom jobs:



EDIT:
edited some comparison in for the old stuff we had

I think the "Forktress" upgrade is still decent and "More dakka" seems like fun on a dakkajet (especially during a speedwaagh). I'm willing to try out the "Shokka hull" a couple of times as it seems like fun, but I doubt it'll do all that great.

Edit: And BTW, in case anyone has missed it, we do know the stats of the supa-shoota. It's 36" Dakka 6/4 S6 AP-1 D1. So the dakkajet is probably the best candidate for "more dakka"

the forktress is a must buy. not becasue its so good but because we need the 5++ on our battlewagon

i'm kinda keen on trying the kmb dread... 135points for 4d3 + 4 shots on average thats
12 shots, so 4 hits with s8 ap3 d6 dmg (and two mortals to himself^^) kinda pricey but fun

PiñaColada wrote:

Edit: And BTW, in case anyone has missed it, we do know the stats of the supa-shoota. It's 36" Dakka 6/4 S6 AP-1 D1. So the dakkajet is probably the best candidate for "more dakka"

oh ok, thanks! do we know if it costs extra points on the dakka jet?
and idk... you only get 4/6 extra shots 50% of the time... but yeah ..will try that out myself too

Forktress isn't really a nerf because battlewagons now come with 3+ armor stock.

PiñaColada wrote:
I think the "Forktress" upgrade is still decent and "More dakka" seems like fun on a dakkajet (especially during a speedwaagh). I'm willing to try out the "Shokka hull" a couple of times as it seems like fun, but I doubt it'll do all that great.

It is worth noting, I suppose, that the half of the forktress upgrade that got taken away is now just on battlewagons by default (3+sv). I do kind of like it on a battlewagon still if you're not doing a kff in your army, 155pts for a forktress'd up battlewagon doesnt seem too unreasonable.

Any leaks about zagstruck datasheet? I'm getting excited to build a goff blitz-army, I've got a rough idea of thematic list;

I've calculated the outcome of bolter shooting vs new and old boyz. It seems that if you loose enough boyz to fail a ld check, new boyz are even more fragile than old boyz for squads of 30. But if you loose most of the squad or all of them, new boyz are a bit tougher. So, seems that big squads are out of the picture for now. Unless there is some way to make them fearless or you plan to spend 2cp each turn.

the stompa rerolls morale tests
Mob rule allows them to ignore being under half unit size
Warboss- boss is watching rule ignore attrition modifiers

You are going to fail morale alot but even with just MSU units you are going to have mob rule and warboss effects lower the result to be muted to only a few models lost… 30 model units is just to big a detriment if someone takes out over half your unit. You are going to have a large morale loss.

At 2cp I would never use breaking eads and just use the general auto pass morale strat. Breaking eads should be 1cp and 1 mortal wound to at least be slightly better then the general strat.

gungo wrote:
the stompa rerolls morale tests
Mob rule allows them to ignore being under half unit size
Warboss- boss is watching rule ignore attrition modifiers

You are going to fail morale alot but even with just MSU units you are going to have mob rule and warboss effects lower the result to be muted to only a few models lost…

At 2cp I would never use breaking eads and just use the general auto pass morale strat. Breaking eads should be 1cp and 1 mortal wound to at least be slightly better then the general strat.

Yeah, technically if your opponent is smart enough to split their fire, having 3x10 squads vs 1x30 squad could actually work out to more morale casualties.

PiñaColada wrote:
I think the "Forktress" upgrade is still decent and "More dakka" seems like fun on a dakkajet (especially during a speedwaagh). I'm willing to try out the "Shokka hull" a couple of times as it seems like fun, but I doubt it'll do all that great.

Edit: And BTW, in case anyone has missed it, we do know the stats of the supa-shoota. It's 36" Dakka 6/4 S6 AP-1 D1. So the dakkajet is probably the best candidate for "more dakka"

Shockah hull sounds hilarious with blood axes on as scrap jets
Charge .3xd3 mortals with spiked ram
In combat. More mortals with shoka hull d3 mortals
Blood axes fall back and charge again and repeat
Because they are in squads just allocate damage to model that doesn't have the shoka hull to keep it safe xD

 the_scotsman wrote:

gungo wrote:
the stompa rerolls morale tests
Mob rule allows them to ignore being under half unit size
Warboss- boss is watching rule ignore attrition modifiers

You are going to fail morale alot but even with just MSU units you are going to have mob rule and warboss effects lower the result to be muted to only a few models lost…

At 2cp I would never use breaking eads and just use the general auto pass morale strat. Breaking eads should be 1cp and 1 mortal wound to at least be slightly better then the general strat.

Yeah, technically if your opponent is smart enough to split their fire, having 3x10 squads vs 1x30 squad could actually work out to more morale casualties.

Still need to kill 6 per squad not really easily to split that and make sure no other unit is nearby although 6in isn’t huge.

Do we know the new Shokk Attack Gun points?

It looks real tasty.

Old SAG: 1.16 hits avg
Old SSAG: 2.33 hits avg
New SAG: 1.75 hits avg
New SSAG: 2 hits avg

It's still a loss for a single SAG, but if you have 2, then you average more than the old SSAG+SAG combo did!

The problem is, SAG was broken due to DS rerrolls. Now you can rerroll only once hit OR wounds, and no damage. No double shoot neithrr

Kebabcito wrote:
The problem is, SAG was broken due to DS rerrolls. Now you can rerroll only once hit OR wounds, and no damage. No double shoot neithrr

Yeah, it was the damage reroll in particular that made it quite strong to skew into the direction you wanted. Without that reliability and SAG still being quite expensive at 110 points base (125 if you take the upgrade), I don't know if their utility is better than other HQ slots now that they're at a premium in our lists.

reroll one hit OR wound? though it was still both but was missing the damage reroll? If its an OR than deathskullz are essentially the new snakebites, a totally worthless trait.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
reroll one hit OR wound? though it was still both but was missing the damage reroll? If its an OR than deathskullz are essentially the new snakebites, a totally worthless trait.

It is just OR, not both. I would say the DS still have some decent value as far as obsec and the 5+ mortal wound shrug goes (it comes up more than you think), but certainly they've fallen below Snakebitez and Goffs for general utility in lists. The ones I feel worse for in terms of Klan Traits are Blood Axes and Evil Sunz. Blood Axes staying the same boggles my mind (at least reduce the cover thing to outside of 12" at least and make it a -1 to hit rather than +1 to save) and Evil Sunz are pretty much DOA if Dakka doesn't have an advance and shoot like an assault weapon clause, since our assault weaponry just got cut down in numbers significantly.

Agreed, Evil Sunz got done dirty. They took the speed out of the army and didnt at least give it back to the speedy gitz lol.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Agreed, Evil Sunz got done dirty. They took the speed out of the army and didnt at least give it back to the speedy gitz lol.

Massively wrong.

Evil suns are nuts.

1) Fire and Fade deff koptas are gonna be broken.

2) They have a fight last relic -- possibly the only one in the codex.

3) Their warlord trait allows you to advance and charge a unit.

Movement is now more valuable than ever now that you can't just advance and charge whenever you want. Suns are gonna be reppin'.

Yeah, being a through and through Evil Sunz boy our new kultur just plain hurts. I'd be okay with losing out on:
- The +1 to charge if 'ere we go was still the old rules
- Or vice versa.. Getting the new, nerfed 'ere we go but keeping the +1 to charge
- Or losing out on both of those if more weapons were assault/dakka counted as assault on bikes and vehicles.

All of it combined seems really harsh and Evil Sunz weren't even oppressively good before the new codex anyways. Makes me wonder if someone at GW HQ got curbstomped once by the army due to poor screening or whatever and decided to smite down on whatever capabilities it had. Playing evil sunz speedfreeks and not being able to advance just feels wrong. At least the actual speedfreeks units are better now, so it won't be too bad I guess

Edit: Deffkoptas are better now but the drive-by krumpin' taktik is not new and I'm unsure if it's better than the old deffkopta unit buffed by "visions in da smoke". Don't get me wrong, I loved doing that but it wasn't a game changer in pretty much any match I used it in. Advancing and charging with a unit is cool I guess but it's a suicide missile that's going to fly up the board and die, hopefully having made it's points back. If it could shoot along the way I'd be more psyched about it. A fight last relic is great though, and I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people took an ES patrol just to get that into their list.

I think it's more likely them thinking Evil Suns were fine, so didn't need changing. Paying absolutely no heed to the fact that they were removing a lot of what Evil Suns did well.