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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
My predictions:

1) I'm going to assume that Primaris get an additional would, taking them to 3, thereby making them still superior to the old marines

They're not.

Bzzt. Wrong.

From the GW preview today, re: their new SM Codex:

"Heavy Intercessors! And they’re called that for a reason – like their Captain, these bad-boys aren’t just heavily armed, they’re heavily armoured too, thanks to their Gravis armour. A Toughness 5 Troops unit with 3 Wounds apiece, anyone?"

And so it begins...

 Cruentus wrote:
Bzzt. Wrong.

It's not wrong. Primaris Marines have 2 wounds like First Born Marines.

Gravis armour gives you +1W, hence why Heavy Intercessors have 3 wounds.

 Cruentus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
My predictions:

1) I'm going to assume that Primaris get an additional would, taking them to 3, thereby making them still superior to the old marines

They're not.

Bzzt. Wrong.

From the GW preview today, re: their new SM Codex:

"Heavy Intercessors! And they’re called that for a reason – like their Captain, these bad-boys aren’t just heavily armed, they’re heavily armoured too, thanks to their Gravis armour. A Toughness 5 Troops unit with 3 Wounds apiece, anyone?"

And so it begins...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
Bzzt. Wrong.

It's not wrong. Primaris Marines have 2 wounds like First Born Marines.

Gravis armour gives you +1W, hence why Heavy Intercessors have 3 wounds.

and toughness five. And in the next codex release they'll have invul saves and BS 2 plus on the next primaris super mega ultra intercessors.

stratigo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
Bzzt. Wrong.

It's not wrong. Primaris Marines have 2 wounds like First Born Marines.

Gravis armour gives you +1W, hence why Heavy Intercessors have 3 wounds.

and toughness five. And in the next codex release they'll have invul saves and BS 2 plus on the next primaris super mega ultra intercessors.

Bladeguard Aggressors. Storm shields, master-crafted thunderhammers, 4W, WS2+...

I like how movie marines are now every marine all the time.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
Bzzt. Wrong.

It's not wrong. Primaris Marines have 2 wounds like First Born Marines.

Gravis armour gives you +1W, hence why Heavy Intercessors have 3 wounds.

and toughness five. And in the next codex release they'll have invul saves and BS 2 plus on the next primaris super mega ultra intercessors.

Bladeguard Aggressors. Storm shields, master-crafted thunderhammers, 4W, WS2+...

And half the price of a custodes guardian

Facepalm @ Heavy Intercessors.

FFS

 Insectum7 wrote:
Facepalm @ Heavy Intercessors.

FFS

What did you think when all firstborn get a wound that primaris uniqueness of 2 w core Units would not be carried over / maintained by gw?

"You know how Primaris are vulnerable to Plasmaguns? Let's make them not. Also give them the ability to take three variations of the Heavy Bolter for no reason."

 BaconCatBug wrote:
"You know how Primaris are vulnerable to Plasmaguns? Let's make them not. Also give them the ability to take three variations of the Heavy Bolter for no reason."

I Like the assault one, because why the feth not use a assault 3 s5 gun...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Facepalm @ Heavy Intercessors.

FFS

What did you think when all firstborn get a wound that primaris uniqueness of 2 w core Units would not be carried over / maintained by gw?

I was not expecting a Troops unit.

Tyranid Warriors better get like 5 wounds a pop, but looking at the Immortals still on 1W I'm not holding my breath.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Facepalm @ Heavy Intercessors.

FFS

What did you think when all firstborn get a wound that primaris uniqueness of 2 w core Units would not be carried over / maintained by gw?

I was not expecting a Troops unit.

Tyranid Warriors better get like 5 wounds a pop, but looking at the Immortals still on 1W I'm not holding my breath.

Well the unique thing primaris had over normal marines was 2 w, when first Born then get an additional w they'd not be really unique anymore, so gw has anyways gotten it's share from primaris infantry that existed and decided to throw These heavies out.
Which are incidentially the meanest anti Elite infantry in the game and come at 3w a Pop.
I mean i had an inkling but it still is kinda a shock to See These in that state.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Facepalm @ Heavy Intercessors.

FFS

What did you think when all firstborn get a wound that primaris uniqueness of 2 w core Units would not be carried over / maintained by gw?

I was not expecting a Troops unit.

Tyranid Warriors better get like 5 wounds a pop, but looking at the Immortals still on 1W I'm not holding my breath.

Well the unique thing primaris had over normal marines was 2 w, when first Born then get an additional w they'd not be really unique anymore, so gw has anyways gotten it's share from primaris infantry that existed and decided to throw These heavies out.
Which are incidentially the meanest anti Elite infantry in the game and come at 3w a Pop.
I mean i had an inkling nur it still is kinda a shock to See These in that state.

I was really expecting a normalization of the Marine statline, with minor differences between the Primaris and True. Silly me!

Necron Immortal at 1W, new SM troop at 3. Sure. . . fine. . . whatever. . .

I also Find it funny that the high w tyranid warriors troop, something really unique to them, now get's handed out in a better Form aswell.

Btw, how many Bolt weapons are we going to have in this new codex now? Have we hit 30 yet?


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Not Online!!! wrote:
I also Find it funny that the high w tyranid warriors troop, something really unique to them, now get's handed out in a better Form aswell.

It's infuriating. I await the Tyranid book to see how that plays out.

 Argive wrote:



In other words: "ohh just use that new improved weapon SM get to kill those new improved SM units"

"But I don't have any Spa..."

"STFU NPC!! your opinion is infuriating. Just get on with it"

I think this Post became a prophecy.


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 Insectum7 wrote:
Btw, how many Bolt weapons are we going to have in this new codex now? Have we hit 30 yet?


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Not Online!!! wrote:
I also Find it funny that the high w tyranid warriors troop, something really unique to them, now get's handed out in a better Form aswell.

It's infuriating. I await the Tyranid book to see how that plays out.

Well intercissors have rifle and auto.
Then we have normal bolters storm bolters and heavy bolters.
Hurricanes.
Bolt sniperrifles.
Erm Bolt Desert eagels , Bolt carabines.
Special Bolt carabines for that mine layer hq that is also an infiltrator.

And then the 5 from the heavy intercissors.
Boltpistol aswell , Master crafted Versions so 18 IF i counted correctly excluding twinnvariants.at the very least....

 Insectum7 wrote:
Btw, how many Bolt weapons are we going to have in this new codex now? Have we hit 30 yet?

Even GWs gets confused by the bolt weapon (or should that be bloat weapon, huehuehue) range:



In the options there is a "Heavy Auto Bolt Rifle", but in the profiles there isn't.

 Esmer wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Btw, how many Bolt weapons are we going to have in this new codex now? Have we hit 30 yet?

Even GWs gets confused by the bolt weapon (or should that be bloat weapon, huehuehue) range:

Spoiler:

In the options there is a "Heavy Auto Bolt Rifle", but in the profiles there isn't.

Quality gw ruleswriting 18 seperate Profiles for Bolt weapons but not one Editor to bloody Check their gak.

Marines are slowly becoming a joke army, I feel like GW is pushing the limits of their customers.

- They are stealing the playstyle of other armies.
- They are no longer a "newbie" faction.
- Their fluff is laughable.

And that's my opinion, but the models that are not infantry... are just awful, that new buggy or the landspeeder look like a cruel prank.

I'm not a Marine player, but wow it feels bad for me... Marines were the hope of the humanity, really hard to create because the technology was really ancient, with weapons really hard to build... they were really cool, even for a Xenos player. Now, again, they are a cash grab joke.

Going through my codex I counted 27, not including the Combi-weapons with boltguns in them. So the additional 5 from Heavy Intercessors puts me at 32 Bolt weapons.

That count does not include "named" bolt weapons such as the Gauntlets of Ultramar, Quietus, etc.

Can we just appreciate the Name of this weapon?

Heavy intercessors heavy Auto Bolt rifle.

 Esmer wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Btw, how many Bolt weapons are we going to have in this new codex now? Have we hit 30 yet?

Even GWs gets confused by the bolt weapon (or should that be bloat weapon, huehuehue) range:

Spoiler:

In the options there is a "Heavy Auto Bolt Rifle", but in the profiles there isn't.

Good spot, good spot. Make it 33.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Going through my codex I counted 27, not including the Combi-weapons with boltguns in them. So the additional 5 from Heavy Intercessors puts me at 32 Bolt weapons.

That count does not include "named" bolt weapons such as the Gauntlets of Ultramar, Quietus, etc.

He that were the ones i knew Off ... I am no loyalists....
It's also funny that one Profile is allready missing in the datasheet .

I just want to post this again for comparison. The weapon list from the 4th ed. SM codex:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Can we just appreciate the Name of this weapon?

Heavy intercessors heavy Auto Bolt rifle.

By the time you've finished saying it it has already emptied its magazine.

 Esmer wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Can we just appreciate the Name of this weapon?

Heavy intercessors heavy Auto Bolt rifle.

By the time you've finished saying it it has already emptied its magazine.

Doubtfully because it's Profile doesn't even exist because gw couldn't be arsed to have 1 (one) bloody Editor proofreading ...

Looking at the profile again, what I think is the issue here is that they put "heavy auto bolt rilfe" instead of "Hellstorm bolt rifle" and "heavy stalker bolt rifle" instead of "executor bolt rilfe" in the wargear options text.

Basically there are two different names for the light anti-elite option and the light anti-horde option.

Don't matter, shoddy hackjob is shoddy hackjob, but it's a small Indi dev so we Cut them some slack...

Now that I think about it... I'm pretty OK with 2W marines instead of T5 3W marines as troops. With S5 AP-1 rapid fire guns. Lol.