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The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

Master race vs npc race

Oh, they can keep their ork rules. Whenever they add anything through white dwarf, you can use it in any of your games. EXCEPT ork rules, those are always open play only which is essentially the same as them never having printed them in the first place.

So, for what I care, the might just as well print yet another Space Marine chapter that actually makes someone happy rather than ork rules that we are forbidden from using in matched play games.

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

There are things they could have put in a White Dwarf for SM armies that would have been nice. An entire new Chapter subfaction isn't it. A couple DA/WS Dets for RW/Scars Bikers onlyish, DW only, and RW and DW. A custom Det for Wild Riders. There are a number of armies that could add a lot of variety with this non-standard companies/regiments/Klans/<Keyword> approach that would increase variety without overburdening store shelves. I mean sure, painting the marines green and giving them flame throwers or painting them darker green and giving them plasma is a little variety, but you're still usually looking at a dozen units with 40-50 ground pounders and a half dozen of the same 8 or 9 vehicles. Replacing them with 30 bikers is even more variety.

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

They're likely a reprint from the stuff in conquest to stop people having obscure rules, hardly worth being butthurt over.

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It's a tie-in for those who picked up the Conquest series and painted their Marines as the featured army - did it need to happen? Probably not, but it's a bit of a way of acknowledging those who may have started the game with the magazine series and now have an army of Silver Templars.

20 pages is a bit excessive, once you factor in the Paint Splatter article and the Studio gallery, I'll give you that, but there is a lot of other 40k content in this issue of WD. The people who might have grounds to complain about it existing are the AOS fans, who only seem to get one article in the issue.

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

Don't worry friend, I've got great news for you!

Pages 16-69 will not revolve around Silver Templars but 40k in general or as a directed tie in with the new edition!

 Dysartes wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It's a tie-in for those who picked up the Conquest series and painted their Marines as the featured army - did it need to happen? Probably not, but it's a bit of a way of acknowledging those who may have started the game with the magazine series and now have an army of Silver Templars.

20 pages is a bit excessive, once you factor in the Paint Splatter article and the Studio gallery, I'll give you that, but there is a lot of other 40k content in this issue of WD. The people who might have grounds to complain about it existing are the AOS fans, who only seem to get one article in the issue.

This was likely intended to be the issue that dropped around indomitus, so it makes sense it's very 40k centric for an edition launch.

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

Guys white dwarf isn't where they're going to over haul Xenos. or at least given the monthly nature of it, it shouldn't be, White Dwarf is where we SHOULD get fluff for stuff like this, on minor little explored chapters etc. We DID get a WD 'dex on Goffs fairly recently (about 2 months back IIRC. and last months issue was pretty 40k lite IIRC).

this is fluff for a new chapter they developed for the conquest magazine, something not avaliable outside of the UK and a few other select areas so it's pretty low cost for them to develop I suspect. (as someone in North America I'm curious to know more about an Ultima founding chapter) I garentee you that all these "new rules" are going to be as new as the blood ravens chapter rules. a preview of some of the new options in the upcoming Marine 'dex.

I wonder what their warlord traits and relics do. In general a smart thing to do. A primaris chapter geting highlights is a cool thing. Hope WD are going to have more things like that.

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

#

Oh yeah, because if there was one thing Necron players were crying out for, it's a load of new models that were dead on arrival.

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

#

Oh yeah, because if there was one thing Necron players were crying out for, it's a load of new models that were dead on arrival.

Oh good you've got the new codex then, what are the void dragons stats please?

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

#

Oh yeah, because if there was one thing Necron players were crying out for, it's a load of new models that were dead on arrival.

Oh good you've got the new codex then, what are the void dragons stats please?

You're the one who's saying that xenos are getting love, so why don't you tell me what amazing rules Necron players can look forward to.

Perhaps while you're at it, you could tell me how many HQs DE are getting this year. Or how many of the ancient eldar sculpts are being updated.

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

#

Oh yeah, because if there was one thing Necron players were crying out for, it's a load of new models that were dead on arrival.

Oh good you've got the new codex then, what are the void dragons stats please?

You're the one who's saying that xenos are getting love, so why don't you tell me what amazing rules Necron players can look forward to.

Perhaps while you're at it, you could tell me how many HQs DE are getting this year. Or how many of the ancient eldar sculpts are being updated.

We know they're getting new "protocol codes", redesigned dynastic traits, diy dynasties and crusade content and a massive wave of models. Yet you've choose to whine like no xenos army ever gets anything. DE get at least 1 hq, its been in the launch preview.

I appreciate the stroppy response from you being pulled up on spouting hyperbolic statements like "army doesn't need more dead on arrival units that nobody knows the rules for".

Karol wrote:
I wonder what their warlord traits and relics do. In general a smart thing to do. A primaris chapter geting highlights is a cool thing. Hope WD are going to have more things like that.

Ask people that already own the supplement from Conquest. I doubt they're going to be much different other than updating them for 9th rules conventions. This is just a way to update that without printing an entire new version of an exclusive booklet.

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The new white dwarf will have an index for another space marine chapter. It’s getting a bit boring now isn’t it? They could have used that space to add a bit more characters to the game, a new eldar faction, some new ork rules, new renegades and heretics index. I dunno anything other than more space marines

It was getting boring last year, where GW were vomiting SM supplements from one orifice, and crapping out new primaris models from the other.

At this point, we seem to be playing 30k but with worse rules.

I know, if only they would overhaul a xenos faction, include them and a core box set and give them huge model support. That never happens.

#

Oh yeah, because if there was one thing Necron players were crying out for, it's a load of new models that were dead on arrival.

Oh good you've got the new codex then, what are the void dragons stats please?

You're the one who's saying that xenos are getting love, so why don't you tell me what amazing rules Necron players can look forward to.

Perhaps while you're at it, you could tell me how many HQs DE are getting this year. Or how many of the ancient eldar sculpts are being updated.

umm the new Necron models are excellent, but i guess that isn't enuff.
Lilith Hesperax is coming shortly soo....that's at least 1
Eldar got a new psyker last year soo....
it may not be enuff, but its something

It would be nice if the Index articles could be as varied as their AoS equivalents. I think there have only been 2 Stormcast focused ones since they've been doing them, whereas on the 40k side of things it's just been overwhelmingly Marines (or Imperium in general if you want to complain about Assassins and Inquisition)

I think what's slightly more annoying/disappointing is that all of the AoS ones have come with rules that are also usable in Matched Play games, whereas even some of the Marine stuff has lacked any sort of rule or game component, or in the case of the Goffs one it couldn't be used in Matched Play. In general it feels like there's been more effort put into the AoS articles of this type just on average, whereas some of the 40k stuff has swung wildly in how much effort was put into it.

Probably it's so there are not Conquest exclusive rules that nobody can get. I know I actually really liked that chapter but the Conquest book wasn't available in North America.

Racerguy180 wrote:

umm the new Necron models are excellent, but i guess that isn't enuff.

Because the models are mostly fine, but the rules so far are absolute gak.

And since the primary problem with Necrons is bad rules, you'll forgive me if my enthusiasm is thus far restrained.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Lilith Hesperax is coming shortly soo....that's at least 1

No, that's zero. Because I said *new* HQ choices. You know, to maybe start replacing the dozen or so that have been removed from the codex.

Yet another remake of an existing HQ is absolutely not the same thing.

Seriously, how is this a difficult concept to grasp?

BrianDavion wrote:
We DID get a WD 'dex on Goffs fairly recently (about 2 months back IIRC. and last months issue was pretty 40k lite IIRC).

Except that unlike other WD codices, those goff rules were open play only and lacked points, essentially banning them for play for almost all applications unless you face an opponent who would also have allowed you to field self-written rules. I haven't even bothered to buy the issue.

Wayniac wrote:
Probably it's so there are not Conquest exclusive rules that nobody can get. I know I actually really liked that chapter but the Conquest book wasn't available in North America.

That doesn't seem to have troubled them with the Conquest-exclusive variant dataslates or the stratagems...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Probably it's so there are not Conquest exclusive rules that nobody can get. I know I actually really liked that chapter but the Conquest book wasn't available in North America.

That doesn't seem to have troubled them with the Conquest-exclusive variant dataslates or the stratagems...

None of those can be used in regular games though.

vipoid wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

umm the new Necron models are excellent, but i guess that isn't enuff.

Because the models are mostly fine, but the rules so far are absolute gak.

And since the primary problem with Necrons is bad rules, you'll forgive me if my enthusiasm is thus far restrained.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Lilith Hesperax is coming shortly soo....that's at least 1

No, that's zero. Because I said *new* HQ choices. You know, to maybe start replacing the dozen or so that have been removed from the codex.

Yet another remake of an existing HQ is absolutely not the same thing.

Seriously, how is this a difficult concept to grasp?

You did not.

vipoid wrote:

You're the one who's saying that xenos are getting love, so why don't you tell me what amazing rules Necron players can look forward to.

Perhaps while you're at it, you could tell me how many HQs DE are getting this year. Or how many of the ancient eldar sculpts are being updated.

You didn't specify new, to exclude anything etc. You keep digging a hole based on your irrational lashings out.

Xenos isn't a codex, they're a group of independent factions. They don't just "update xenos" they update a faction. Necrons are getting an update. Marines are getting an update. That's 1 imperial and 1 xenos faction.

You've seen nothing of the new cron codex beyond a few changed assembly instructions which have no special rules and no points.

The marine chapter in white dwarf is an update/republish of hard to find rules and is a fair use of pages. Suck it up.

 vipoid wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

umm the new Necron models are excellent, but i guess that isn't enuff.

Because the models are mostly fine, but the rules so far are absolute gak.

And since the primary problem with Necrons is bad rules, you'll forgive me if my enthusiasm is thus far restrained.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Lilith Hesperax is coming shortly soo....that's at least 1

No, that's zero. Because I said *new* HQ choices. You know, to maybe start replacing the dozen or so that have been removed from the codex.

Yet another remake of an existing HQ is absolutely not the same thing.

Seriously, how is this a difficult concept to grasp?

the old necron models look like gak so....its a step in the right direction.
sorry, I didnt know we were exclusively talking about rules? but i guess that's all that matters.

As for DE, I guess they do "need" models or are we talking about rules? or both?

What else are they going to put in a white dwarf? That isn’t readily available on YouTube?

Sumilidon wrote:
What else are they going to put in a white dwarf? That isn’t readily available on YouTube?

Apparently rules for 10 dark eldar hqs (new ones so we can't have vect for example as he's technically not new), a whole new xenos range and a nerf to marines to make all their stats 1 and cost 50 points per model.

Dudeface wrote:

Sumilidon wrote:
What else are they going to put in a white dwarf? That isn’t readily available on YouTube?

Apparently rules for 10 dark eldar hqs (new ones so we can't have vect for example as he's technically not new), a whole new xenos range and a nerf to marines to make all their stats 1 and cost 50 points per model.

sssshhhhhh, your gonna give them ideas.

New thing from GW,

Points values in WD(to help flagging WD sales) but you'll still need the actual codex for everything else.

Racerguy180 wrote:

the old necron models look like gak so....its a step in the right direction.

Eh, agree to disagree on that one.

I much prefer the old style. I liked the simplicity of the old Necron Lord for example, rather than the gaudy Overlord or the machines-piloting-machines nonsense of the vehicles.

I think a lot of the new Necron models are nice in terms of being decent sculpts, I just wish they weren't so 'blinged out'. It's why my favourites of the newer ones tend to be stuff like Immortals and Deathmarks.

Racerguy180 wrote:

sorry, I didnt know we were exclusively talking about rules? but i guess that's all that matters.

As for DE, I guess they do "need" models or are we talking about rules? or both?

Well speaking personally, I'd be more than happy to have a lot of new rules (including new HQs), even if we got no new models.

It's a lot easier to convert models to fit rules than to homebrew rules for units/wargear that no longer exists and trying to convince people to let me use said rules.

Unfortunately, that's not the way GW works, so I'm forced to ask for new models as well, because they've decided that that's the only way to get new rules.

Does that make sense?