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Now watch what they do with orks and burnas. We are Orks! We are goofy and fun! Our burnas are now 6+d6 inches for range, 2+d3 for strength, ap 0, and 1 dmg. In melee, they are str as user, and ap d2-1, 1 dmg.

Well at least the war com article paints an accurate meta landscape in terms of "winners"

You know.. gotta ensure little timmy who was on the fence about starting a wh40k army doesn't pick tyranids or something..

Gee, it's almost like an article titled "Codex: Space Marines – Weapons and Wargear Updates " will have a lot of information focused on Space Marines Weapons and Wargear updates and only cursory info on others.

Sorry, just thinking some crazy out loud.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gee, it's almost like an article titled "Codex: Space Marines – Weapons and Wargear Updates " will have a lot of information focused on Space Marines Weapons and Wargear updates and only cursory info on others.

Sorry, just thinking some crazy out loud.

Meanwhile SoB quietly benefiting WAY more than space marines...

ERJAK wrote:
Meanwhile SoB quietly benefiting WAY more than space marines...

Yeah I guess that's the “advantage” of having access only to an extremely limited amount of “classic” weapons.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Meanwhile SoB quietly benefiting WAY more than space marines...

Yeah I guess that's the “advantage” of having access only to an extremely limited amount of “classic” weapons.

Only has to work once, lol.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
seems storm shields are 4+ +1 save for everyone inc termies

Every thing else is nice for Sisters, but this? This is a bad kick in the nads for Crusaders lol.

Assuming no points change, Crusaders are making a lateral move. They are less resilient since they only have the same/better save against AP 0 or AP -1 in cover, but their offense goes up with the +1 S on Power Swords. Will that be a useful niche? Probably not, but its better than nothing.

Latro_ wrote:I liked how khorne berzerkers were one of the chainsword 'big winners' in the article... like they have not had chain axes that have better stats than the new and improved chainsword!

I mean you can run with both so it's a win, but not as much of one than other units

Here's a crazy idea. Don't take the chain axe. You still have -1 AP thanks to Astartes Chainsword, you pick up a Bolt Pistol, and you save a point. Sounds like a win, especially if you think of it GW style where I'm sure they are picturing Bolt Pistol and Chainsword/Chainaxe rather than Chainaxe and Chainsword.

 alextroy wrote:

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
seems storm shields are 4+ +1 save for everyone inc termies

Every thing else is nice for Sisters, but this? This is a bad kick in the nads for Crusaders lol.

Assuming no points change, Crusaders are making a lateral move. They are less resilient since they only have the same/better save against AP 0 or AP -1 in cover, but their offense goes up with the +1 S on Power Swords. Will that be a useful niche? Probably not, but its better than nothing.

Latro_ wrote:I liked how khorne berzerkers were one of the chainsword 'big winners' in the article... like they have not had chain axes that have better stats than the new and improved chainsword!

I mean you can run with both so it's a win, but not as much of one than other units

Here's a crazy idea. Don't take the chain axe. You still have -1 AP thanks to Astartes Chainsword, you pick up a Bolt Pistol, and you save a point. Sounds like a win, especially if you think of it GW style where I'm sure they are picturing Bolt Pistol and Chainsword/Chainaxe rather than Chainaxe and Chainsword.

yea, it is a crazy idea i'v never met anyone who plays khorne who even really consider chainaxes as optional extras they're that good.

fact chainswords are better than they were further sinks their bolt pistol into its holster

To be fair we got no idea how the Chainaxe will be handled yet.

Doohicky wrote:
Surely overall the storm shield change is a nerf?

Against ap0 - terminators No change, 3+ save models better

Against ap -1 - Terminators Better, 3+ save models no change

Against ap-2 and better All units worse off.

Stormshields were nasty as they tanked the high AP weapons so easily, it's what they were for. Now they only tank 50% of them.

Personally I am a big fan of the change

Couple that with the new wound allocation and I'm even more of a fan

Its a good nerf. The fewer 3++ saves in the game the better, as far as I'm concerned.
That's a system math atrocity that should never have happened, especially in a game with so many rerolls.

Custodes laugh, as they get only benefits

 cuda1179 wrote:
Custodes laugh, as they get only benefits

That's niche though.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Custodes laugh, as they get only benefits

That's niche though.

Until the first FAQ...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gee, it's almost like an article titled "Codex: Space Marines – Weapons and Wargear Updates " will have a lot of information focused on Space Marines Weapons and Wargear updates and only cursory info on others.

Sorry, just thinking some crazy out loud.

I'm taking bets on how many ork weapons will be upgraded with this update.

0 is probably going to be a fairly solid bet.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Gee, it's almost like an article titled "Codex: Space Marines – Weapons and Wargear Updates " will have a lot of information focused on Space Marines Weapons and Wargear updates and only cursory info on others.

Sorry, just thinking some crazy out loud.

I'm taking bets on how many ork weapons will be upgraded with this update.

0 is probably going to be a fairly solid bet.

How many Ork weapons are exact name matches with weapons in this preview?

The footnote already said that species variants - for want of a better way of phrasing it - would be covered in their Codex, not in the update alongside the new SM 'dex.

The irony is that GW has the most incentive to pump out the most recently overhauled model lines' codices to sell the shiny new models first which is... Chaos Space marines, Sisters of Battle, Death Guard, and of course primarisues. I wonder what they all have in common... I feel so bad for Xenos right now...


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*edit* Skitarii also count as recently overhauled... So I guess they may get to break the mold. Custodians and Sisters of silence on the other hand...

Which kind of is a bad way to do it, isn't it?

I'm lucky enough to get an updated DG codex before Christmas to get at least one of my armies up to date, but tipping the scales even more against many players who are already struggling with marines is not a good thing.

Matchmaking in my gaming group pretty much is ten variants of "up for anything but loyalist marines" right now.


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macluvin wrote:
Death Guard [...] I wonder what they all have in common...

Fun fact - most death guard models don't get any benefit from this upgrade because they don't have flamers, heavy flamers, power swords, power axes, chainswords, etc but differently named variants with the plague weapon keyword. Outside of helbrutes and defilers who are just copy&paste from CSM, the only affected weapons are the MBH's multi-melta, combi-flamers and combi-melta on blightlords and heavy bolters on predators and land raiders.

There’s also the argument that doing these releases first is the low hanging fruit.

Marine Codex expansions benefit from the new Marine range.

Death Guard have a fairly robust range from 8th, so don’t need much work.

Eldar? Well, they need their finecast gone. That’s what, six aspects to go, and some mighty old special characters.

That takes time, let alone any new additions they might enjoy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s also the argument that doing these releases first is the low hanging fruit.

Marine Codex expansions benefit from the new Marine range.

Death Guard have a fairly robust range from 8th, so don’t need much work.

Eldar? Well, they need their finecast gone. That’s what, six aspects to go, and some mighty old special characters.

That takes time, let alone any new additions they might enjoy.

agreed. eldar might be awhile simply because to give eldar a PROPER update will be a big undertaking

I may well be wrong, and I’ll offer my commiserations to Eldar fans if they get stiffed again.

Because yes, they’ve had some nice new kits over the years (I like what they have received, but not playing them probs makes my opinion of lower value), but rarely have it been what the players have been hankering after.

Like asking for a very specific Star Wars toy for Christmas (B-Wing), and getting a different Star Wars toy (Y-Wing) instead.

It might still be a cool toy, but it’s not going to stop you asking for the B-Wing in the future (and nor should it. The key is not to throw a strop for receiving the Y-Wing, because then my parents would just take it away!)

Oh, and they could do with a new Vyper. Overall it’s aged really well (apart from the main canopy, which I could never get to glue properly) but it’s time all the same!

Orks? Arguably in a better place. Their last two outings got some love - but again, not necessarily what fans were asking for. Just need to redo their Finecast, and maybe offer a proper ‘Ardboy kit, and bring back Boarboyz. No I’ve not been reading my 1st Ed Ork books again. You have.

 Argive wrote:
Well at least the war com article paints an accurate meta landscape in terms of "winners"

You know.. gotta ensure little timmy who was on the fence about starting a wh40k army doesn't pick tyranids or something..

Little Timmy really doesn't care. Little timmy doesn't spend hours poring over statlines. If Timmy thinks the space bugs are cool, he will go for them. Of course chances of that are much smaller than Timmy going for the ZOMG SPACE IRONMAN HEROES WITH CHAINSWORDS, but it has nothing to do with melta stats and everything to do with the fact that marines are designed to appeal to juveniles.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Orks? Arguably in a better place. Their last two outings got some love - but again, not necessarily what fans were asking for. Just need to redo their Finecast, and maybe offer a proper ‘Ardboy kit, and bring back Boarboyz. No I’ve not been reading my 1st Ed Ork books again. You have.

I'm fairly sure that orks were asking for a battle-tank similar to the predator (slam dunk), proper speed freeks HQ (task failed successfully!) and an awesome Thrakka model (another slam dunk).

With the warboss on warbike returning through the FW book, the list of things that orks really need model-wise is rather short.
Personally, I have finally tracked down all the metal models I need to avoid finecast for good, so I'm not in a hurry for new tank bustas or kommandoz.

Orks have a Predator equivalent?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Orks have a Predator equivalent?

Five, actually. All buggies basically fulfill the role of a light battletank.

Ahhh! Gotcha!

 Jidmah wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Orks? Arguably in a better place. Their last two outings got some love - but again, not necessarily what fans were asking for. Just need to redo their Finecast, and maybe offer a proper ‘Ardboy kit, and bring back Boarboyz. No I’ve not been reading my 1st Ed Ork books again. You have.

I'm fairly sure that orks were asking for a battle-tank similar to the predator (slam dunk), proper speed freeks HQ (task failed successfully!) and an awesome Thrakka model (another slam dunk).

With the warboss on warbike returning through the FW book, the list of things that orks really need model-wise is rather short.
Personally, I have finally tracked down all the metal models I need to avoid finecast for good, so I'm not in a hurry for new tank bustas or kommandoz.

I've got a list of things for Orks I'd like to see.

1: Plastic Dekkcoptas
2: A plastic Warboss, (maybe in Megaarmor?)
3: leave Boyz alone If I start Orks in earnest I'd rather not be paying 70 bucks CDN a box.

5 Tank Busters or 5 Kommandos in a box for 105%-110% the cost of the current Banshees. Have fun with that when it happens.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like asking for a very specific Star Wars toy for Christmas (B-Wing), and getting a different Star Wars toy (Y-Wing) instead.

I had a B-Wing when I was a kid.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
5 Tank Busters or 5 Kommandos in a box for 105%-110% the cost of the current Banshees. Have fun with that when it happens.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like asking for a very specific Star Wars toy for Christmas (B-Wing), and getting a different Star Wars toy (Y-Wing) instead.

I had a B-Wing when I was a kid.

... you got rid of it? hand in your nerd card!

I think I did... can't remember. I might still have it. *shrugs*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
5 Tank Busters or 5 Kommandos in a box for 105%-110% the cost of the current Banshees. Have fun with that when it happens.

Currently you need 4x$45 to build a unit of 15 because of the mono-build nob, 3x $60 would still be the same price.