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Good point on the size of terrain, Frozen Dwarf.

Its a good thing for those who do want to "go large" with Titanicus, and a sign that an Imperator is more likely now.

Yes, by adding the warmaster to the range the team has showed us that they can make big models for "small" scale, and suddenly re-creating thouse titanicus clashes that exists in novels and storys are becoming clouser and clouser to a reality for each year that passes, and i am shure some players are looking forward to that.

However my personal issue is this: i want my miniatures to be small! thats why i realy enjoy 15mm and below scale.
Yes dont get me wrong, the scale of AT is small, but the actual 1:1 hobby model we get is getting clouser and clouser to lage and huge 28mm scale models, and THAT i personly dont like.
(i guess the warmaster wont physicly be too far off the size of a 28mm standard GW 40k knight.........)

I am perfectly happy with reavers and warhounds, and that is my style. If someone else will not have anything smaller then a warlord in their collection then that is their style and i have no issues with that.

That’s the beauty of this system (so far); with one egregious and obvious exception you can play pretty much whatever you want and have a good match. There’s even a specialised formation and even Legio for Warhounds-only players.

Well, with a base cost of 850p, and somewere between 1000-1100p fully kitted, i doubt Warmaster will see any use in matches under 2500p.

For 2000 points it could support a four-titan lupercal maniple. If it can support knights then for the same point it could join a minimum and basic questoris lance force with two castigator free blade banners, or a full Porphyrion support banner.

They might not be the most efficient of lists but 2K with the WM is a comfortable possibility.

Thouse options are just wierd and placing all faith on the warmaster as i see it.

But we wont know that for some time.
Allso i wonder why the article spesificly mentioned Auxiliary Titan rule, allmoust as trying to say that would be the only way to use it in the start.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Thouse options are just wierd and placing all faith on the warmaster as i see it.

But we wont know that for some time.
Allso i wonder why the article spesificly mentioned Auxiliary Titan rule, allmoust as trying to say that would be the only way to use it in the start.

It’s a rule on its Command Terminal. No Warmaster maniples seem likely to be forthcoming with that baked into its stats.

I could probably get some play out of 4 WH plus a WM. WHs with VMBs can certainly drop shields, and those destructors can certainly drop the hammer. I've run a pair of Acastus with my Audax to good effect. Obviously some of the particulars would be different in this case, but anytime you have long-range firepower that can just punch out Titans...well, that will synergize well with a lot of things.

Popped open the warbringer for the first time today, and a few points stands out.

1: I like the size of the paper terminal over the original cardboard from the standalone rulebox, anyone know if the download and print terminals on the community size are of the same size or if i have to rezise them to fit the warbringer terminal? (the original cardboard terminals in the standalone rulesbox are unessesary lage for me)

2: Where is the belicosa volcano cannon? not in the kit and not in FW and it dont looks like the wardlords version can be used....

No-one knows about the second weapon option at this time. It is assumed that, like the Warlord and Reaver, there will be a second kit and/or separately available upgrade sprue that contains both the Volcano Cannon and the missing arm options.

Never actually printed any of the downloadable ones so I can’t help with that.

IC, to the bottom of the hobby list it goes then.
I allready have a mori for the warlord, so thought a 3x volcano could be a inntresting backline alpha puncher option.

What annoyed me with the Warbringer is that it has Reaver arms but with magnet holes. Why no magnet holes on the Reaver then...

I kinda hope they also invent a plasma arm for the Reaver and stick 2 on a sprue along with both missing carapace options.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What annoyed me with the Warbringer is that it has Reaver arms but with magnet holes. Why no magnet holes on the Reaver then...

I kinda hope they also invent a plasma arm for the Reaver and stick 2 on a sprue along with both missing carapace options.

This! Very close to ordering a Warbringer for that one reason.

And yes, such a sprue would be very welcome indeed.

This loyalist book, has it simply packed all the prev expansion rules + legios into one single book?

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
This loyalist book, has it simply packed all the prev expansion rules + legios into one single book?

That and it's apparently changing or expanding on how battlegroups work, and for the first time they're actually going to print weapons stats instead of them being just on the cards. Basically a compendium.

Good, that means my shelf space will get a tad bigger.

3 books aka core rules, loyalist and traitor compendium sounds like a natural way forward, too many stand alone expansions and easy to get a bit lost right now.

Never gave supporting titans and knights much thought beyond just slapping them in as "vanilla" support...

Is it proper to allow supporting titans access to Legio rules? And if so, can those support titans be from a different Legio altogether? For example, have two maniples of Mortis and supporting Audax titans?

Not seeing how this would work for supporting Knights, though, as the only Household rule benefit is with the prescence of a Senechal, and one needs at least a Lance for that.

AFAIK they get Legio rules but if they're a different legio opponent gets +2 CP?

Ah, so to play it safe just stick with the same Legio? Cool beans.

Cheers for that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
AFAIK they get Legio rules but if they're a different legio opponent gets +2 CP?

Where is this info? not in the official errata atleast, i just looked.
Thats one more posetive thing about the compendiums, updated rules..

Original rulebook p89 2nd paragraph

Titans can hail from any Legio, but titans within a single maniple can only come from one Legio. Support titans, being alone, can all come from different Legios if you so wish. However, every set of Legio rules your battlegroup uses gives 2 SP to your opponent, so it's usually not worth it to take a whole rainbow of Legios at once.

Knights never use Household rules unless your army is mainly composed of knights. Doom of Molech stipulates that your army is either a Household (with Lances and support titans / knight Banners) or a Titan Legio (with Maniples and support titans / knight Banners). You can never have maniples and lances in the same battlegroup.

 Sherrypie wrote:


Knights never use Household rules unless your army is mainly composed of knights. Doom of Molech stipulates that your army is either a Household (with Lances and support titans / knight Banners) or a Titan Legio (with Maniples and support titans / knight Banners). You can never have maniples and lances in the same battlegroup.

I'm wondering if something about that is changing in the new book, they did mention reworking how battlegroups work, so perhaps they'll households/maniples mix. I always thought it was silly to run knights only force, but also sorta unfortunate that all the knight traits basically go unused when they're in support, so maybe that's changing.

Neither Ash nor Goonhammer picked up any changes to army construction, and Goonhammer was pretty precise with the (surprisingly numerous) Legio rules changes so they probably dind't just overlook it.

https://www.goonhammer.com/adeptus-titanicus-loyalist-legios-the-goonhammer-review/

Yeah, the changes sound really good though. Glad everyone can have access to upgrades. I also think they kinda had to change it because in all likelihood corrupted titans won't be as powerful as a psi titan and I assume will function sorta like marks of chaos upgrades, so it makes sense if traitors have a different sorta upgrade path. I'm just happy because I really like the custom legio rules but felt the hate from all the legio players and now they've got no reason to be sour.

The book refers to corrupted Titans having mutations and, interestingly, multiple mutations, for the Null Emitter upgrade.
I am assuming these work like the upgrades but potentially do more, like adding a tail (w/gun) for example and further that bigger Titans may be able to take more of them.

It also indicates to me that they actually have the traitor Titan rules worked out somewhere. Which, in turn, makes me more hopeful for an imminent traitor legios book, perhaps with the corruption rules…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The book refers to corrupted Titans having mutations and, interestingly, multiple mutations, for the Null Emitter upgrade.
I am assuming these work like the upgrades but potentially do more, like adding a tail (w/gun) for example and further that bigger Titans may be able to take more of them.

It also indicates to me that they actually have the traitor Titan rules worked out somewhere. Which, in turn, makes me more hopeful for an imminent traitor legios book, perhaps with the corruption rules…

I like the sound of that, my concern initially was that it'd be too specific to chaos gods like marks almost but I like that this sounds more like each mutation might sorta wink or hint at which chaos god without being explicitly like a korne or nurgle thing.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The book refers to corrupted Titans having mutations and, interestingly, multiple mutations, for the Null Emitter upgrade.
I am assuming these work like the upgrades but potentially do more, like adding a tail (w/gun) for example and further that bigger Titans may be able to take more of them.

It also indicates to me that they actually have the traitor Titan rules worked out somewhere. Which, in turn, makes me more hopeful for an imminent traitor legios book, perhaps with the corruption rules…

I like the sound of that, my concern initially was that it'd be too specific to chaos gods like marks almost but I like that this sounds more like each mutation might sorta wink or hint at which chaos god without being explicitly like a korne or nurgle thing.

You’re probably on the money there. The Daemons of the Ruinstorm army list for 30K has multiple “mutations” you can add to the various units and only four of them are restricted to individual sub-allegiances. Of which, you may be interested to note, there are six.
Anyway, yeah, a whole stack of possibilities there.

I'm down for anything that adds variety and flavour to Titanicus. At this point in the timeline of the game, mutated & daemonic titans should've appeared. So hopefully the Traitor book gives us some actual nasty warp stuff.

Everyone getting pointed upgrades makes it feel like you can "your dude/ette" God-Engines. Which is a very good thing.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The book refers to corrupted Titans having mutations and, interestingly, multiple mutations, for the Null Emitter upgrade.
I am assuming these work like the upgrades but potentially do more, like adding a tail (w/gun) for example and further that bigger Titans may be able to take more of them.

It also indicates to me that they actually have the traitor Titan rules worked out somewhere. Which, in turn, makes me more hopeful for an imminent traitor legios book, perhaps with the corruption rules…

I like the sound of that, my concern initially was that it'd be too specific to chaos gods like marks almost but I like that this sounds more like each mutation might sorta wink or hint at which chaos god without being explicitly like a korne or nurgle thing.

I'm expecting Corrupted Titans to work as basically a set of wargear options that opens up. They arent full on daemon titans, but starting to get there. Loyalist book has universal wargear, likely to be reprinted in the chaos book, and then loyalist only options. Traitors could see a few exclusive wargear for normal titans, but then can designate a titan to be corrupted and gain access to a mutations list that you can pick and choose wargear from, possibly with some things limited to titan class or scale.


I would like to see full on daemonic titans, but more than just the 4 god-lords of Epic. It would be cool if they spread the gods out among the various classes- Classic Banelord for Khorne, Subjugator scout as the daemonic variant of the Rapier for Slaanesh, say a bilespewer version of the Warbringer for Nurgle, and a Sorcerer-Reaver psy titan for Tzeentch.