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In the Blood Angels index there is a mess of a datasheet for Death Company Intercessors.

Here is my main question: if you give the squad chainswords, can one model still have a power weapon? I believe no, but a lot of people think yes. For the record, I would love it to be a yes as I'm collecting BAs at the moment.

Argument against: the two lines that allow you to take power weapons explicitly state the model cant have a chainsword.

Argument for: you can use the equipment bullet points in any order. Simply take a power weapon first, then swap the squad weapons for chainswords.

My interpretation is that argument doesn't work, because although you can do the bullets in any order, you still need to satisfy restrictions in your final result, and you would be breaking the restriction that a model with a chainsword cant take a power weapon.

Finally, this is not part of the RAW argument but the position that would allow them to take it would also allow them to take the Grenade Launcher without having a bolter by taking it and then swapping out the bolt rifle. You also don't have to swap the chainsword itself for anything, so you would end up with a model with a chainsword, power weapon, grenade launcher and heavy bolt pistol.

What says YMDC?

I could have sworn there was an FAQ in 8th saying you had to do the bullet points in order, but I might be misremembering.

In any case, both arguments are true for specific values of true. It's another example of sloppy GW writing.

I personally lean towards the "No, you can't have a power sword" option. Mainly because the chainsword option says that ALL models must be given a HBP and Astartes Chainsword. If you swap out the gun for a power sword, then not ALL models have the chainsword.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I personally lean towards the "No, you can't have a power sword" option. Mainly because the chainsword option says that ALL models must be given a HBP and Astartes Chainsword. If you swap out the gun for a power sword, then not ALL models have the chainsword.

I'm going to go a step further and say that this is 100% the correct, inarguable position. It's long been the case that you have to still have the weapon that the swap requires, in order to use the option for that swap.
There are plenty of other datasheets that break entirely if you don't follow that restriction. Straight off the top of my head? Giving Dreadnoughts all the arms.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I could have sworn there was an FAQ in 8th saying you had to do the bullet points in order, but I might be misremembering.

I believe you're thinking of this from the Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: Can a model take the same wargear option more than once? For example, can a Space Marine Terminator replace his storm bolter with a cyclone missile launcher and another storm bolter, and then replace its ‘new’ storm bolter with a heavy flamer?

A: No. Each bullet-pointed wargear option on a unit’s datasheet can only be used once each time you include that unit in your army.

The latest version of the datasheet is in blood of baal


In this datasheet Death company intercessors come stock with bolt rifle and bolt pistol

You can replace the bolt rifle for an auto bolt rifle or stalker bolt rifle

For every 5 models you can add an auxiliary grenade launcher.

Now the bit your arguing over is

"1 model can: be equipped with one of the following in addition to their other weapons 1 chainsword 1 power fist 1 thunderhammer"

This applies to a single model only

You cannot have a squad with chainswords you may have exactly one model with either a chainsword or a powersword

I would note that BA are getting a new supplement in December and this answer only stands till then

U02dah4 wrote:
The latest version of the datasheet is in blood of baal

No, it isn't. With the release of the new SM codex, DA, BA, SW and DW got stopgap Indexes on the same page as you find FAQs. You cannot use the Psychic Awakening rules in any way, shape, or form for BA, SW, or DA (nor can you use the WD rules for DW).

FAQ Page: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/?orderby=post_created&order=desc#warhammer-40000

Index Astartes: Blood Angels: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/v68YXckia2D69azL.pdf

Fair enough on that datasheet you must give the whole unit astartes chainswords

Or one model may be given an astartes chainsword or power sword

You cannot have power sword with chainswords

All - the whole unit
Any - as many models within the unit as you want
For every xth - every xth model may
One model- a single model out of the unit may deviate

I opened an issue for it on Battlescribe, but its been closed as the authors read it as you can have a unit with chainswords and one guy with a thunderhammer...

Hopefully its clearer in the supplement, or failing that they at least clarify with an FAQ. I assume the datasheet in the supplement will be identical though, as its likely already gone to print.

Bs is incorrect in this instance but it is not the first time bs has made an interpretation that goes against the wording if you are unsure and going to an event confirm with your to

U02dah4 wrote:
Bs is incorrect in this instance but it is not the first time bs has made an interpretation that goes against the wording if you are unsure and going to an event confirm with your to

Won't be going to a tournament any time soon, but my local group generally just goes off Battlescribe for convenience.

At least in this instance its BS being too Liberal, so if I dont like it I can just ignore the option! Its just that if it was legal, I'd very much make use of it and I didnt to model something that would later be ruled as not allowed if I can avoid it...

It’ll be fine and you’ll be able to. There’s a book along any minute so it’s probably not worth debating a get-you-by document to death, given how different the Wolves one is to their Codex. Just do something more worthwhile and await the supplement that’s imminent.

The Battlescribe Ruling WILL BE the ruling 99% of TOs use because of ease of use. IF GW FAQS to keep it RAW we use that, but for now the community has the RAI of chainswords AND a PSword

Battlescribe is a very good tool. But it is not the rules. If there is a known bug just keep it in mind. Just like how you know if a watch is 5 minuts to fast or slow.

Mind you ny regular opponent who is not so goodbin the rules got confused when battlescribe would not allow his named character to get a relic. So it has a lot of good rule enforcementa as well. :-)