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Hey guys. Which are the better units to take do you think? Sword and board Lychguard or rod Praetorians? I know they fill different roles, but as an all comers?

Need something to block up the objectives and refuse to die? Lychguard.

Need to go zipping over and kill some marines? Praets.

Need a block of highly killy and still respectably tough models? Scytheguard.

Praetorians. No amount of Dynasty bonuses will beat D2 in range and melee. Lychguard just sit there and don't there. Praetorians make their way there and kill stuff, which is more important.

An argument COULD be made for Objective Secured variants but yeah, no.

NB: If you're running Novokh specifically, lychies will cheerfully carve through just about anything that gets in front of them.

Novokh warscythe Lychguard can be insanely deadly. Port them in with a Night Scythe or use Veil of Darkness. Add a Chronomancer for re-roll charges and 5++. Blood Rites and Disruption Fields stratagem gets them up to 40 s8 -5 2d attacks. If you can somehow get Anrakyr within 6" you could MWBD and use his Lord of the Pyrrhian Legions to give them +1 to hit and another attack for a total of +1 to charge rolls, re-roll charge rolls, 50 attacks, +1 to hit, strength 8, -5 ap, 2 damage each. Talk about overkill.

Both are pretty darn good, but I would say Praetorians are bit more flexible and easy to use in general. I have a slight preference for lychguard for esthetical reasons.

epronovost wrote:
Both are pretty darn good, but I would say Praetorians are bit more flexible and easy to use in general. I have a slight preference for lychguard for esthetical reasons.

Even with the stupid crown thing on their head?


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gibbindefs wrote:
Novokh warscythe Lychguard can be insanely deadly. Port them in with a Night Scythe or use Veil of Darkness. Add a Chronomancer for re-roll charges and 5++. Blood Rites and Disruption Fields stratagem gets them up to 40 s8 -5 2d attacks. If you can somehow get Anrakyr within 6" you could MWBD and use his Lord of the Pyrrhian Legions to give them +1 to hit and another attack for a total of +1 to charge rolls, re-roll charge rolls, 50 attacks, +1 to hit, strength 8, -5 ap, 2 damage each. Talk about overkill.

Those are several more points put into them. Praetorians might not have that support, but doesn't it say something that they don't need all the extra effort put into them? Hell they already have their own Strat to add to hit rolls. What more is necessary?

Lychguard are some of the tougthess units you have to sit on hard objetives.

But I just love my praetorians zipping from the map killing marines of any size wich ease. And yeah, 1 CP to give them +1 to hit in shooting or attacking. I have a love for units that work unsupported. I'm not a very combo guy.

The only bad options are praetorians with particle pistols and the small shield. The other three are good but each one is made for a different role.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Even with the stupid crown thing on their head?

I personnaly call it the cool crown thing on their head.

I have come around to the view that sword and board lychguard are usually a trap. They'd be a great unit in some other codexes, but Necrons don't have a problem sitting on objectives and existing, and warrior blobs just do it better unless you go with an all-obsec dynasty. They *might* have a role in an all obsec list, particularly if the meta shifts to not be so full of W2 targets.

Scytheguard do have a role to play in certain armies, though I don't think Novokh is really one of them. Novokh's dynasty bonus is much better for stuff with low natural AP than high natural AP, and the +1 to charge is not really a make and break thing for them. Again, warrior blobs benefit more from being Novokh than Scytheguard.

Praetorians are just all-around good offensively, but very squishy by the standards of the codex. You need to use them carefully or they'll just die and not accomplish much of anything.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

epronovost wrote:
Both are pretty darn good, but I would say Praetorians are bit more flexible and easy to use in general. I have a slight preference for lychguard for esthetical reasons.

Even with the stupid crown thing on their head?


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gibbindefs wrote:
Novokh warscythe Lychguard can be insanely deadly. Port them in with a Night Scythe or use Veil of Darkness. Add a Chronomancer for re-roll charges and 5++. Blood Rites and Disruption Fields stratagem gets them up to 40 s8 -5 2d attacks. If you can somehow get Anrakyr within 6" you could MWBD and use his Lord of the Pyrrhian Legions to give them +1 to hit and another attack for a total of +1 to charge rolls, re-roll charge rolls, 50 attacks, +1 to hit, strength 8, -5 ap, 2 damage each. Talk about overkill.

Those are several more points put into them. Praetorians might not have that support, but doesn't it say something that they don't need all the extra effort put into them? Hell they already have their own Strat to add to hit rolls. What more is necessary?

I like to think of the most ridiculous combos I can do with things. It's probably not very effective for scenario play. I also agree that praetorians are more self sufficient but, buffed up Lychguard appearing out of a Night Scythe sounds really fun to me.

Well, its a hard decision.
For me its neither nor since I count on Wraiths.