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 Jidmah wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Chaos lords too. But don't worry, folks! There's a stratagem to make them have DR! Let's fix it in the most bass-ackwards way (but not fix it as he's still T4) and have Traitor Legion players pay even more of a CP tax to have a functioning thematic army! Can't have those filthy heretics have more CP than their loyalist brethren can we?

I feel like this was fixed in a very good manner by allowing Lords of Contagion to have the Lord's Aura. Haven't played a chaos lord since, and I just love that these slow juggernauts finally have purpose.

It wasn't, really. LoC is a melee beatstick that has hard time getting there when I want my terminator lord to do other things as well, like carrying that cheeky 2+ BS combimelta around. Nothing is fixed in any satisfactory manner there until there is a simple Chaos Lord entry that has T5, DR and the option to take a Manreaper along other things like he always should have. Sadly, this doesn't seem likely.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Chaos lords too. But don't worry, folks! There's a stratagem to make them have DR! Let's fix it in the most bass-ackwards way (but not fix it as he's still T4) and have Traitor Legion players pay even more of a CP tax to have a functioning thematic army! Can't have those filthy heretics have more CP than their loyalist brethren can we?

I feel like this was fixed in a very good manner by allowing Lords of Contagion to have the Lord's Aura. Haven't played a chaos lord since, and I just love that these slow juggernauts finally have purpose.

"Allowing" via spending CP for an ability that should've had to begin with LOL

As someone with a small Nurgle favoured marine force its a dispointment to me that we are not getting a general CSM codex and supplements rather than Codexes but then I would also have prefered God foccussed Dexes but we are it seems stuck with DG Codex

That way God specific upgreades could have been part of general unit upgrades with costs.

That being said its seems stupid to not include specific units that have been removed from Dg for no good reason.

As others have rightly said - Greater Possessed, Vindicator.

They should also have Pestigors and access to corrupted Guard units like GSC.

OK, I give - how can Greater Possessed have been removed from the Death Guard when they weren't a unit when the DG 'dex went to print?

Well, looks like we might, just might be getting our wish (though be careful what one wishes for with GW...). Note how there is a Lord Discordant in the trailer for the new campaign book. The book does not feature regular CSMs, only DG, AdMech, DE and Knights.




Now, we know in this whole world of "No model, no rules" etc. GW didn't do that by accident. A preview of things to come perhaps?

He talks about Abaddon while the Lord Discordant is shown though, and it does fly Black Legion colors.

It does, but I feel it is there for a reason. This is nu-GW where all artwork has to represent a mini and no deviations at all.

Think of how many new players see that and find out the actual answer to if they can take a Disco Lord in their DG armies.



I'm prepared to the proverbial man in orthopaedic shoes come next month, but I reckon there's more than just the Lord of Virulience and terrain piece in the book and that might be a smoking gun right there.

'Our Warmaster.'
Woof
Typhus, where was the independent man who talked contemptuously to Daddy Morty? Now you grovel at the feet of your nominal equal from the lapdog legion? Might as well give up your colors for some emo black, little buddy.


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Also,
What chapter is the red and black Space Marine? Can't see enough of the Advertising Shouldpad to tell, and I don't recall black torso, black pads and black helmet with mostly red and red trim/eagle for anyone.

He's in Black Legion colours, and we already have the Lord of Virulence coming as our "daemon engine guy". Lord Discordant is near the bottom of the list of things I'd expect DG to be given access to.

Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

 Castozor wrote:
Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

They fixed that with an faq you replace heretic astartes with the new death guard keyword and legion with death guard.

Dudeface wrote:

 Castozor wrote:
Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

They fixed that with an faq you replace heretic astartes with the new death guard keyword and legion with death guard.

For the Legends units. The units in the Compendium still can't be used by the Death Guard or Thousand Sons. That may change in the FAQ for the Compendium, but right now it's the RAW.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Castozor wrote:
Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

They fixed that with an faq you replace heretic astartes with the new death guard keyword and legion with death guard.

For the Legends units. The units in the Compendium still can't be used by the Death Guard or Thousand Sons. That may change in the FAQ for the Compendium, but right now it's the RAW.

Ah I got befuddled and thought they'd fixed both, I'd be happy applying the same to the book though tbh.

Dudeface wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Castozor wrote:
Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

They fixed that with an faq you replace heretic astartes with the new death guard keyword and legion with death guard.

For the Legends units. The units in the Compendium still can't be used by the Death Guard or Thousand Sons. That may change in the FAQ for the Compendium, but right now it's the RAW.

Ah I got befuddled and thought they'd fixed both, I'd be happy paying the same to the book though tbh.

Same here. Death Guard and Thousand Sons are Legions, and should have access to Legion vehicles. And to correct Castozor, the fw dreads aren't relics for the Legions anymore than the actual Legionnaires are, Martial Legacy shouldn't apply to the Legions.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
For the Legends units. The units in the Compendium still can't be used by the Death Guard or Thousand Sons. That may change in the FAQ for the Compendium, but right now it's the RAW.

RAW there is no restriction on replacing the <Legion> keyword on datasheets outside of Codex:CSM
Likely not intended, but RAW nonetheless.

Voss wrote:
'Our Warmaster.'
Woof
Typhus, where was the independent man who talked contemptuously to Daddy Morty? Now you grovel at the feet of your nominal equal from the lapdog legion? Might as well give up your colors for some emo black, little buddy.

It feels more appropriate, to be honest. Typhus and his disagreements with Mortarion are all about what the Death Guard are owed from the galaxy at large. Mortarion is seemingly content with his Plague Planet...Typhus thinks they deserve more.

Also,
What chapter is the red and black Space Marine? Can't see enough of the Advertising Shouldpad to tell, and I don't recall black torso, black pads and black helmet with mostly red and red trim/eagle for anyone.

It's not one I can find in Codex: Space Marines. It looked like it was close to Iron Lords and Black Vipers, but there's bits that aren't right for either.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Castozor wrote:
Yeah I'd be very surprised if they gave us access to more of the general CSM stuff. If anything they are more likely to take the generic stuff away judging by the FW book. There is no reason for DG to not have relic Dreads but here we are.

They fixed that with an faq you replace heretic astartes with the new death guard keyword and legion with death guard.

For the Legends units. The units in the Compendium still can't be used by the Death Guard or Thousand Sons. That may change in the FAQ for the Compendium, but right now it's the RAW.

Ah I got befuddled and thought they'd fixed both, I'd be happy paying the same to the book though tbh.

Same here. Death Guard and Thousand Sons are Legions, and should have access to Legion vehicles. And to correct Castozor, the fw dreads aren't relics for the Legions anymore than the actual Legionnaires are, Martial Legacy shouldn't apply to the Legions.

Or we should be consistent, and all CSM choices involving so-called "Legionnaires" should incur a 1CP charge...

I played Death Guard during 7th and 8th. They were better under 7th when I could take my heldrakes (plaguedrakes?) and bikes. Come 8th and a nice chunk of my army was gone. I really do wish that they had left those in and havocs (perhaps with different options).

 BlackLobster wrote:
I played Death Guard during 7th and 8th. They were better under 7th when I could take my heldrakes (plaguedrakes?) and bikes. Come 8th and a nice chunk of my army was gone. I really do wish that they had left those in and havocs (perhaps with different options).

Every time I see people mention death guard bikes, what they say in my head is "I want t6 bikes", nothing to do with fluff or theme.

Yup. And it's not like DG bikes wouldn't be complete junk right now, even if they could play them.

Dudeface wrote:

 BlackLobster wrote:
I played Death Guard during 7th and 8th. They were better under 7th when I could take my heldrakes (plaguedrakes?) and bikes. Come 8th and a nice chunk of my army was gone. I really do wish that they had left those in and havocs (perhaps with different options).

Every time I see people mention death guard bikes, what they say in my head is "I want t6 bikes", nothing to do with fluff or theme.

Admittedly T6 bikes would be pretty lit.

BIkes in Codex: DG would be T5 and not have DR, just like all other CSM units.

 Jidmah wrote:
BIkes in Codex: DG would be T5 and not have DR, just like all other CSM units.

Probably, the last time the existed they were available to dg they were bikes with +1 t and a fnp banner iirc? It was a while ago so might be mis-remembering.

I don't think they could get FNP anymore since 6th (they could before), but I might be missing something - the codex is a mess, it really makes you appreciate the new formats.

Dudeface wrote:


Every time I see people mention death guard bikes, what they say in my head is "I want t6 bikes", nothing to do with fluff or theme.

Although the Death Guard are portrayed as a footslogging army, I can't believe that they don't use the tools available to them. There is an element of T6 bikes but it's not just for that. Under 7th we were able to take them, especially with the rules from Traitor Legions. Same thing with Heldrakes. Along comes 8th and those units were taken away.

 BlackLobster wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Every time I see people mention death guard bikes, what they say in my head is "I want t6 bikes", nothing to do with fluff or theme.

Although the Death Guard are portrayed as a footslogging army, I can't believe that they don't use the tools available to them. There is an element of T6 bikes but it's not just for that. Under 7th we were able to take them, especially with the rules from Traitor Legions. Same thing with Heldrakes. Along comes 8th and those units were taken away.

They're renowned for preferring a methodical infantry advance, they rarely maintained motorised support units so if bikes are a thing they're a 0-1 type unit at best. So when you saw armies with stuff like 18 bikes, bike lord, bike sorcerer and 2 min troops it was definitely about the t6 bikes.

To be honest I'm open to being swayed if someone can present a reasonable thematic reason for deathguard bikers beyond "they had them in 7th".

Those just Chaos Space Marines with a Mark of Nurgle though, and the option to run those has remained unchanged - possibly improved with the addition of rules for the Purge (which had the same paint scheme as DG in 6th/7th).

And yes, DG actually don't use bikes, for the same reason their infantry doesn't use heavy weapons. There is no reason to waste resources to drive faster at the enemy if can just send in more marines.

 Jidmah wrote:
Those just Chaos Space Marines with a Mark of Nurgle though, and the option to run those has remained unchanged - possibly improved with the addition of rules for the Purge (which had the same paint scheme as DG in 6th/7th).

And yes, DG actually don't use bikes, for the same reason their infantry doesn't use heavy weapons. There is no reason to waste resources to drive faster at the enemy if can just send in more marines.

I double checked and the nearest reading i can provide is this:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/7th_Edition_Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines#Special_Rules

You could indeed give units +1T and fnp using the death guard traitor legions supplement, which was an increase over just the mark of nurgle.

Has been a bit, hope everyone is safe out there, gimmie back my oblits. If they did that I'd be happy. Honestly they fit the ideal of forward advance and come to grips with the enemy strategy. At least in my mind.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Has been a bit, hope everyone is safe out there, gimmie back my oblits. If they did that I'd be happy. Honestly they fit the ideal of forward advance and come to grips with the enemy strategy. At least in my mind.

Well, Mortarion DID help create them...