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If I could travel back to 1997 I would walk into DakkaDakka, grab myself by the back of the neck and drag myself outside.

I would explain to myself that even though 40k seems great...
The game will be ruined by the Horus Heresy being so fleshed out that it loses all of its mythic feels.
Eldar still dont have plastic models in 2020.
Space Marines get replaced with new models that dont lend themselves to conversions and customization.
Wolves become werewolves instead of space Vikings.
Orks are forever garbage.
Guardsmen are all Cadian and Cadia is destroyed.
Knights, flyers and Primarchs are usable on tabletop.

I would probably say "Oh, that's dumb" and move on to entirely different hobby.

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If I could do it all over again, I would still get into 40k.

I am glad I got into it when I did too. I was shown 40k back in 5th edition and nothing about it really interested me except the Tau a little bit. Furthermore, I'm not sure I would enjoy playing Tau, and I certainly wouldn't have the painting skills to have the models look like I want them to (basically Vior'la before they really were a thing or at least not the poster faction). It certainly wouldn't have been Chaos Space Marines which I still consider my main faction. Which I am also glad I didn't start too early as I didn't have all that much to repurchase with the new sculpts nor have to wait all that long for their arrival. Yet didn't start too late as prices had stopped increasing annually for that bit, and there were $75 Start Collecting boxes and those cheap (I want to say $60 for Rhino and 10 CSM or something) limited edition boxes too. I could still find the Dark Vengeance and its expansions cheap too.

I know I would have sat out 6th/7th 40k playing the other miniatures games that gained in popularity locally during those years. Which I also don't regret even if it is unlikely I will ever get a chance to play them again. Playing other miniatures war games allowed me to have perspective on exactly what I was getting into with Warhammer 40k and set my expectations to largely met during most of my time playing 40k. They also allowed me a chance to find my painting voice on much less expensive models.

It is easy for me to take 40k for what it is and no more. Which is about all I want in miniatures war gaming any more anyways. Nice looking models and game I have a hard time seeing as worth getting overly competitive about. Just better to chuck some dice and socialize. Certainly, an overly complicated system for that, but good enough for me. No regrets.

If anything, I think I would have liked to have got into Age of Sigmar earlier. I am unlikely to have a Stormcast or Khorne army now that those boxed sets are rare, but I certainly could see me enjoying those armies when they are a little cheaper to get into.
   
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Yeah, i'd have avoided it . GW is just too greedy and IMO hostile to gamers.

OTOH i might if i looked into ways to give gw as little money as possible.

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 DeffDred wrote:
If I could travel back to 1997 I would walk into DakkaDakka, grab myself by the back of the neck and drag myself outside.

I would explain to myself that even though 40k seems great...
The game will be ruined by the Horus Heresy being so fleshed out that it loses all of its mythic feels.
Eldar still dont have plastic models in 2020.
Space Marines get replaced with new models that dont lend themselves to conversions and customization.
Wolves become werewolves instead of space Vikings.
Orks are forever garbage.
Guardsmen are all Cadian and Cadia is destroyed.
Knights, flyers and Primarchs are usable on tabletop.

I would probably say "Oh, that's dumb" and move on to entirely different hobby.


Only one and a half things of your list are true.

The thing about 40k is that no one person can grasp the fullness of it.

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 Matt Swain wrote:
Yeah, i'd have avoided it . GW is just too greedy and IMO hostile to gamers.


Given that GW has abused you so, why do you continue to play?
   
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In short, no. The 40k of today is not the 40k I fell in love with in the 90s.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, no. The 40k of today is not the 40k I fell in love with in the 90s.


So is some sort of sunk cost or forlorn hope that keeps you visiting 40k specific forums and news outlets? I know if I hadn't enjoyed something for two decades and regretted even getting into it, I wouldn't visit any kind of social media for it nor keep up on news about it. I certainly don't visit D&D or Pontiac sites anymore, and I don't even regret having those things as hobbies.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, no. The 40k of today is not the 40k I fell in love with in the 90s.


?? So you would go back in time and talk yourself out of having fun with 40k in the then-&-there because in the distant future you'd no longer enjoy it....
   
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gundam wrote:
If you could do it over again, would you not get into 40k? Or what would you have done differently?

I would do it over again, hopefully I would paint better and play better and get some different models, but honestly there wouldn't be any different of what I'm already doing.

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ccs wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, no. The 40k of today is not the 40k I fell in love with in the 90s.
?? So you would go back in time and talk yourself out of having fun with 40k in the then-&-there because in the distant future you'd no longer enjoy it....
"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" is such a pile of guano it makes the Bracken Caves look small.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
"'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" is such a pile of guano it makes the Bracken Caves look small.


Plato said every man should get married, he will either end up happy or wise.

Similar sentiment, more honest.

   
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I kinda feel sorry for all those who are here on Dakka, thus I assume still engaged on some level with 40K/Warhammer - and yet say that they'd turn themselves away from it at a young age if given the option to try again.

I just think if you're not having fun why are you still doing it - there's so much more out there to engage with in a positive way, why continue to shackle yourself to something that makes you miserable when its a hobby.

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 Overread wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for all those who are here on Dakka, thus I assume still engaged on some level with 40K/Warhammer - and yet say that they'd turn themselves away from it at a young age if given the option to try again.

I just think if you're not having fun why are you still doing it - there's so much more out there to engage with in a positive way, why continue to shackle yourself to something that makes you miserable when its a hobby.


Yeah, same. I'd do it all again, but would probably try to get stuff painted a bit quicker...
   
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I'd definitely do 40k again. I think I'd hold back on a lot of my purchases though. I spent at least a thousand pounds on ebay picking up a nearly all metal inquisition army, including a platoon of the old inquisitorial stormtroopers and many many metal marines. That was three years ago, not long before I started to fall out of love with the hobby. I'm coming back to it, but knowing what I know now I'd hold off. And pick up one or two of the now OOP FW dreadnoughts instead for a lot less than all the money I'd ever saved up as a teenager before going to university.

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Yea I wouldn't play the game, and if I did I would have just bought what Mordians I could off Ebay instead of just getting some Cadians.

It wouldn't matter if I didn't get a game in save for the one or two of Bolt Action or whatever. I'd be as I am.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yeah.

If anything, I'd tell my younger self to not get distracted by haters into shittier, far inferior games like Infinity, Warmachine and all that crap and just stick with 40K.


I heard about Warmachine on this thread and it seems that it came and fizzled away


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 BertBert wrote:
IMO the best practice is to never commit to an extent that seems unrecoverable, whether it be 40k or any other hobby. Keep purchases at a minimum, test new stuff carefully and sell off things you are not excited about anymore to fund your budget for future purchases.

I've never regretted anything hobby-related since I have adopted this conservative approach.


Pretty wise words I will start living by in my hobby life. I probably went too hard into some armies that I wish I hadn't.


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 gossipmeng wrote:
If I could do it all over again I would still have gotten into 40k, but I would make significant changes.

Over the years spanning from 4th to 7th edition I bought into the following armies: Necrons, Tau, CSM, GK/IG. However, my taste changed significantly from when I started at 14 and mostly stopped playing in my mid-late twenties).

- Necrons - I chose this as my first army due to the easy of painting and lack of wargear customization since I was young and inexperienced. As a result I quickly grey bored of this army and eventually sold it off. If I could go back I would have never purchased Necrons.
- Tau - I chose this as my second army once I learned more about 40k and developed my taste. I don't really play now, however Tau would be considered my primary army which I have expanded over the years. No regrets with Tau
- CSM - this was the third army I started. My regret is that I wasted the best codex ever made (4th ed CSM) on thousand sons. I was a bit too young to fully appreciate the level of customization available to that army. Eventually I started to rebuild the army in 6th, but never finished. I don't regret starting CSM, but I wish I had gone deathguard or undivided from the start.
- GK/DKoK allies - when 6th edition was released I saw the allies matrix as the perfect opportunity to build a joint GK/DKoK (IG) army. The army looked cool and was easy to transport, but GKs being largely overplayed at the time took the charm out of the army. I'm debating on selling the army now as the DKoK figures have a resale price that only matches what I paid for them.
- Dark Eldar - when the new range was released I planned to create a hellion/jet bike list. However, I never went through with it and ended up selling the kits I bought. Luckily I pretty much sold the kits for what I paid for them.

In summary:

- I would have started with Tau as my primary army and stuck with it until now
- CSM would have been my secondary army: a split between undivided and death guard
- Looking back I think I would like to have owned a small army of SoB (as I've gotten older I see the charm in the old metal models)
- By focusing on less factions I would have had more time to put into conversions/better painting


so you dont play any more at all? sold off all of your armies?

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gundam wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yeah.

If anything, I'd tell my younger self to not get distracted by haters into shittier, far inferior games like Infinity, Warmachine and all that crap and just stick with 40K.


I heard about Warmachine on this thread and it seems that it came and fizzled away


They had a poorly-executed launch for the 3rd edition that involved big nerfs to a lot of popular tournament lists and an ill-organized theme force system right around the same time 8e 40k came out. The competitive community that had left 40k for Warmachine decided to give 40k another chance, and never really came back. PP (the makers of Warmachine) has been bleeding design people (there's a whole ex-PP people studio now called Atomic Mass Games) and the game's barely treading water.

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 DeffDred wrote:

Wolves become werewolves instead of space Vikings.



Space Wolves could have been great if they hadnt gone so wolfy. The viking angle would have been so much better


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 Matt Swain wrote:
Yeah, i'd have avoided it . GW is just too greedy and IMO hostile to gamers.

OTOH i might if i looked into ways to give gw as little money as possible.


GW has to be the least customer-friendly company I have ever seen. But the feedback loops/sunk cost they set up by making plastic expensive, making people assemble it and painting, etc It is a no brainer people will have some emotional transference to plastic toys and end up getting stuck.

Given all that, 40k does have some cool aspects and some cool models but now that I know how the treat players, I stopped buying models and I now buy GW stock


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 Overread wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for all those who are here on Dakka, thus I assume still engaged on some level with 40K/Warhammer - and yet say that they'd turn themselves away from it at a young age if given the option to try again.

I just think if you're not having fun why are you still doing it - there's so much more out there to engage with in a positive way, why continue to shackle yourself to something that makes you miserable when its a hobby.


but it is also nice to hear good lessons that can be useful for new people coming in


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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I'd definitely do 40k again. I think I'd hold back on a lot of my purchases though. I spent at least a thousand pounds on ebay picking up a nearly all metal inquisition army, including a platoon of the old inquisitorial stormtroopers and many many metal marines. That was three years ago, not long before I started to fall out of love with the hobby. I'm coming back to it, but knowing what I know now I'd hold off. And pick up one or two of the now OOP FW dreadnoughts instead for a lot less than all the money I'd ever saved up as a teenager before going to university.


If I realized how long painting takes (painting that is clean, has smooth lines, etc) I would have bought MUCH less when I got started

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I've gotten so much enjoyment out of this hobby over the years, I can't imagine not being a part of it.

The one thing I'd change would be to tell myself to get my butt into the store and have more games! Make more gamer friends!
   
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 Overread wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for all those who are here on Dakka, thus I assume still engaged on some level with 40K/Warhammer - and yet say that they'd turn themselves away from it at a young age if given the option to try again.

I just think if you're not having fun why are you still doing it - there's so much more out there to engage with in a positive way, why continue to shackle yourself to something that makes you miserable when its a hobby.


I actuly really enjoy design and game design, So i do enjoy it here for that but playing the game is less fun than discussing its failings i think.
Too many good games and good minis to be stuck in 40k for me
   
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ccs 794986 11018785 wrote:

?? So you would go back in time and talk yourself out of having fun with 40k in the then-&-there because in the distant future you'd no longer enjoy it....


Well can't talk for anyone but myself, but I think not everyones start in to w40k was fun. For example now, I am having a lot more fun with it then over all of 8th ed, and that is like 3 years. Not that w40k is very fun right now, but I have money stuck in to models and rules, quitting would make me just look like a fool. And it is better to be seen as unhappy, then as foolish.


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 Overread wrote:
I kinda feel sorry for all those who are here on Dakka, thus I assume still engaged on some level with 40K/Warhammer - and yet say that they'd turn themselves away from it at a young age if given the option to try again.

I just think if you're not having fun why are you still doing it - there's so much more out there to engage with in a positive way, why continue to shackle yourself to something that makes you miserable when its a hobby.

I can't start something different, because I can't afford buying an different army or a buy in to a new game. And I have problems with getting in to anything on my own. There isn't much thing done here anyway, there is MtG and AoS, and that is more or less it, besides historicals, which I don't like. So w40k sure beats out sitting at home, looking at others have fun with their stuff.

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I'm glad I was a 40K player. I had a lot of fun with the game! I regret nothing.

I'm also glad I moved on to better stuff when I stopped enjoying it. But I still look back occasionally. When, or rather if, WH40K achieves the rules quality and elegance of modern board games, I'll be the first to buy a new army/unpack old ones.

EDIT

shittier, far inferior games like Infinity, Warmachine

Idk about Infinity but Warmachine is so much better than pretty primitive and (worst of all) boring and tedious, decision-light/upkeep-heavy WH40K.

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Karol wrote:
ccs 794986 11018785 wrote:

?? So you would go back in time and talk yourself out of having fun with 40k in the then-&-there because in the distant future you'd no longer enjoy it....


Well can't talk for anyone but myself, but I think not everyones start in to w40k was fun. For example now, I am having a lot more fun with it then over all of 8th ed, and that is like 3 years. Not that w40k is very fun right now, but I have money stuck in to models and rules, quitting would make me just look like a fool. And it is better to be seen as unhappy, then as foolish.


I understand what you're saying. But no, you are wrong about it being better to be unhappy vs looking foolish concerning a hobby. Because you still look (and worse, are) foolish - for persisting in making yourself unhappy. Why? Why would you want to be unhappy? That's the opposite of what these hobbies are for!
And sometimes you'll try something & .... it'll just be an expensive failure. It happens.

Oh, btw, welcome to the Multiple Armies/Games club. It's not a terribly exclusive club I'm afraid, but your Sigmar elves qualified you.
   
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I am not playing 40K any more at all, but I am still a fan of the setting and the miniatures. So I dunno, I think getting hung up on GW as a company is sort of sideways the the point of being a fan of 40K.

But I understand the people who feel bitter, I went through that as well. It ended for me when I completely stopped caring about what GW are doing with the game and the miniatures and started looking for my own solutions. Not for everyone though, and the people who used to say this in threads back when I was still invested annoyed the crap out of me!

   
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ccs wrote:
Karol wrote:
ccs 794986 11018785 wrote:

?? So you would go back in time and talk yourself out of having fun with 40k in the then-&-there because in the distant future you'd no longer enjoy it....


Well can't talk for anyone but myself, but I think not everyones start in to w40k was fun. For example now, I am having a lot more fun with it then over all of 8th ed, and that is like 3 years. Not that w40k is very fun right now, but I have money stuck in to models and rules, quitting would make me just look like a fool. And it is better to be seen as unhappy, then as foolish.


I understand what you're saying. But no, you are wrong about it being better to be unhappy vs looking foolish concerning a hobby. Because you still look (and worse, are) foolish - for persisting in making yourself unhappy. Why? Why would you want to be unhappy? That's the opposite of what these hobbies are for!
And sometimes you'll try something & .... it'll just be an expensive failure. It happens.

Oh, btw, welcome to the Multiple Armies/Games club. It's not a terribly exclusive club I'm afraid, but your Sigmar elves qualified you.


Just to pick up on this one as well... Look foolish to who? The people that play in the shop that you don't go to any more because you've stopped playing? Your friends, your family, the people who actually matter to you - they should understand if you've tried something that you thought would like, but discovered it actually wasn't for you. And if they don't? Well, then you've got bigger problems than not liking your toy soldiers.

Honestly, any potential foolish appearance you're worried about - it really won't happen. You learn as you get older that people are generally wrapped up in their own lives and really don't think about you as much as you worry they might. That can be good and bad...

It's a hobby that you do for fun. It's not a prison sentence. If it's not fun, stop. You may lose out slightly if you can't sell your stuff for what it cost you - but if that is a sum of money that you can't afford to lose, then you couldn't really afford to take up Warhammer in the first place.

Finally Karol, please don't think I'm trying to drive you out of the hobby. But I've read your very unhappy posts here for a long time and I'm concerned about you. If you are happier to be doing Warhammer than not, then that's great! But don't keep doing it because you think you'll look foolish if you give it up.
   
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I'd still get into 40K. I've had 25 years of good games, painting fun and met a lot of great people.

I have many armies, I don't view that as a problem.
   
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Karol wrote:
[ Not that w40k is very fun right now, but I have money stuck in to models and rules, quitting would make me just look like a fool. And it is better to be seen as unhappy, then as foolish.


looks like textbook definition of sunk cost effect. Kind of in a similar situation myself with the amount of minis I have


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Crispy78 wrote:

Honestly, any potential foolish appearance you're worried about - it really won't happen. You learn as you get older that people are generally wrapped up in their own lives and really don't think about you as much as you worry they might.



This times 10,000... a lot of good life lesson in this thread. It takes us too long to realize that most people, except for a very few, do really care at all what you do


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Crispy78 wrote:


If it's not fun, stop. You may lose out slightly if you can't sell your stuff for what it cost you - but if that is a sum of money that you can't afford to lose, then you couldn't really afford to take up Warhammer in the first place.


Also this, I have read enough times that people are continually scrapping leftover money to buy plastic toys..."Maybe save some money instead?".

I have met enough people that make bank and commission $8,000 armies...but I also met plenty of entry-level workers who spend all of their time, money on this. People can spend their money as their wish. But out of all the hobbies I have been in, This one has a healthy number of players who have destroyed their financial future to play with plastic toys.

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gundam wrote:
Karol wrote:
[ Not that w40k is very fun right now, but I have money stuck in to models and rules, quitting would make me just look like a fool. And it is better to be seen as unhappy, then as foolish.


looks like textbook definition of sunk cost effect. Kind of in a similar situation myself with the amount of minis I have


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Crispy78 wrote:

Honestly, any potential foolish appearance you're worried about - it really won't happen. You learn as you get older that people are generally wrapped up in their own lives and really don't think about you as much as you worry they might.



This times 10,000... a lot of good life lesson in this thread. It takes us too long to realize that most people, except for a very few, do really care at all what you do


When it comes to hobbies I think its always valid to consider taking a break. Sometimes that's all you need to re-set things and come back later and have more fun rather than pushing through. Just box stuff up and move on for a bit.
Karol sounds slightly different in that they don't seem to have really ever had a major "I'm having fun" moment with the hobby. Which I think takes things beyond a simple sump-cost element

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40K is definitely expensive, especially if you try and keep up with the release threadmill and the "meta". It is a lot more expensive now than when I started.

But it is possible to do the hobby of playing with Warhammer miniatures fairly cheaply. Buy second hand, look for boxed sets like Start Collecting that have better value, use a free ruleset like One Page Rules rather than the costly and supplement heavy GW rules, make your own terrain.

It is definitely possible to play on a budget. And life stuff comes first, so if you find yourself spending more than you can afford just set yourself a hard limit.

   
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I'd do it again and more if I had the funds. I am waiting until the Eldar line gets updated in plastic before I purchase any more miniatures or books though as that is a release that would definitely tempt me back in.
The Lumineth lin was tempting but I am waiting to see what they do with Tyrion there.

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