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 addnid wrote:
I also play GSC. Me and my playgroup always thought they were by far the hardest army to play (even in 7th when they got really strong at some point) of all 40K, because they are such a weird "melee glass canon" army. They are not just very different from SM or CSM. So have no fear, I also would not know how to play them (as a standalone army that is) in the current 9th meta where without a ton of character support they wouldn't even put a dent in a custodes army.
The smaller boards scare me, because thanks to it, so far in my 9th games, I have screened so easily all my opponents out of DSing into good positions, it was not even that enjoyable.

Come to think of it, I probably would not have started GSC if I could do it over again (I thought at the time, 7th edition, that GW would never throw nids a bone ever again, and that having GSC allied with them would be their only hope for winning a game), as the way they are played is really too heavily tied into the DSing mechanics. Though rockgrinders seem pretty good at 95 points now. Now if they could just fix bikes (I have a crapton of them)


My Genestealer Cult is the army I do have the closest thing to regret to starting. It took a long time in Kill Team before I started playing them, but they quickly became my favorite faction in that game to play. I also very much enjoy painting them, so I had about a 1250 point army at when I decided why not get them to a full 2000 points. I also wanted a T3 and a xeno army, and I don't do Finecast. Nor did I enjoy my Dark Eldar kill team which I have played twice and hated every minute of playing them.

I don't expect I'll ever get very good with my GSC. Which is fine. I play at a casual level often with a bunch of new players. So I don't mind having a particularly weak army that I can still play my best and struggle when playing those games. I know it's GSC thing, but the regret I have is GSC are a faction that fill new player opponents with so much apprehension and straight up dread. Even with little experience, they are so used to their opponent's army setup across from them. So when they see those blips, I can tell their stress levels go through the roof. Not to mention all the Deep Strike and GSC trickery they pull.

In full 40k, GSC do a lot of the same things I didn't like about Dark Eldar. They perform actions that demoralize new/casual players. When my opponent inevitably wins. It seems less like satisfaction and more like relief. I am sure once they get used to GSC that will go away, but I haven't got there yet with those newer players. I try to tell them they did well and not they got lucky, but I get it; playing against GSC can feel like trying to pick up a cat in a dark room. You hope you can do it without getting scratched, bit or stubbing your toe.

I expect that I will mostly be playing GSC and CSM 9th edition. My counter-culture, hipster streak already has me putting my Primaris on the back burner as they sold-out and got popular (I liked them before they were popular ). My CSM are largely complete now that I have re-freshed them with the new models with options I never had with the old models, and the army is my first 40k love. But I expect that my GSC will be popular as I only know of one other GSC in my area, and I don't think they quite have a full army ready to go.

I don't regret starting GSC. But I don't know if I will ever really enjoy playing them compared to my other armies. Despite my army compositions, I actually don't like Deep Strike mechanics. I just happen to really like the models that get them. Not to mention I can't help to see GSC as an apt satire of current U.S. politics that wasn't as dire a week ago. Totally my personal issue I have to work through myself.
   
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Don't regret it, I'd probably have wasted much more time than I already do staring at screens if I didn't have 40k. It's been a good hobby that helps me itch my creative nature.

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 wuestenfux wrote:

Today, the game is too intricate. Newbies can hardly enter.


Old editions were no less intricate. People over-state how newbies interact with the game. It's entirely possible for people to play rules wrong and still have fun. Shocking, isn't it?

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 wuestenfux wrote:

Today, the game is too intricate. Newbies can hardly enter.


Old editions were no less intricate. People over-state how newbies interact with the game. It's entirely possible for people to play rules wrong and still have fun. Shocking, isn't it?



Yeah, there's quite the influx of new players at my two local shops. None of them seem to be having too many problems.
   
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ccs wrote:
gundam wrote:
ccs wrote:
gundam wrote:

ccs wrote:
So how long does it take you to learn to play an army well?
How long do you think it takes others?
Exactly what skills do you think go into dong this?

Do you think that when an edition changes those skills learned reset to zero?



Of course your skills don't reset to zero in an edition lol There is no need to fictitious.


Ok, that's one of my questions {the easiest} answered. I await your insights on the other three.


You will be waiting since those questions are completely irrelevant to the discussion of playing 5+ armies to their full extent at once.

Instead of using personal experience as a way to discuss something (i.e. Sample size of one), Other people and I are using used tournament players and streamers as examples that it is not possible to play 5+ armies well enough at once in this thread (i.e. sample size of more than 1) .

It is something along the lines along the lines of using the scientific method. It helps discussions keep on point without going into irrelevant tangents. You should look it up


So you're saying that you don't know how long it takes YOU (personally) to learn to play an army to whatever your standard of decently is?
Or are you saying you won't tell me?

Obviously you've no idea how long it takes me/others.

I'd think that the skills required to play one, maybe two, armies well would be quite relevant in a discussion about being able to do so with multiples. I simply want to know what you think those skills are since you can apparently spot when they're lacking.




Obviously this is going over your head. For the third time, as mentioned before, people that play this game on a highly consistent basis at a high competitive level (i.e. tournament players, streamers, etc) struggle to play 5+ armies to their full extent on stream since they don't know all of the tricks and cant keep up with the changes, and are reminded of things, stratagems, during streams.

I am not saying how long it takes me to learn an army because it is not relatable to how long it takes to someone else because we all have different priorities, hobby time etc. Me saying it should take X time for someone to learn an army because it takes me Y time would be extremely foolish. And you thinking it is an applicable way to make a point is very foolish. Apples and Oranges comparisons.

How does me personally knowing( and then guessing for other people) how long it takes to play an army have to do ANYTHING with playing 5+ armies to their full extent when we can see in video it is not really possible already??

Jesus dude... it was both an irrelevant and a bad question... let it go... it's clear you can't have productive discussion without trying to make irrelevant personal points... I suggest you watch a beginner 5min YT video on debating if you dont want to keep coming across as a fool in internet

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Way back when my friend first introduced me to 40K, he said it was a perfect format for my interests. I enjoyed wargames, military history, fantasy and art. He was right. I started building and painting armies not knowing if any of my friends had any serious interest. Fortunately quite a few of us have similar tastes so our little group was formed. I don't regret all the crazy hours and money (and pain, lol) poured into the hobby.

If I had to change anything I guess I wished we all realized a bit sooner that GW was more interested in lateral changes for their financial interests than actually creating a really good game. It became obvious enough by mid 5th ed. So we would have veered off earlier, but not dramatically. I do feel bad for any who feel trapped by the business model GW runs. Not everyone has the luxury to extensively homebrew the game to an acceptable level, but I can see if not why some people would regret such a fantastic enterprise.
   
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 amanita wrote:


If I had to change anything I guess I wished we all realized a bit sooner that GW was more interested in lateral changes for their financial interests than actually creating a really good game. It became obvious enough by mid 5th ed. So we would have veered off earlier, but not dramatically.


That became apparent to me 4 months, its a shame because this could be a really good balanced game. By veered off, you mean leave 40k for other war-games? Or home-brew games?

I dont think Homebrew is something im interested in since I would be looking forward to playing with more people rather than the same group.
   
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Homebrew changes to 40K. I really think the progression from 3rd ed. to 4th was a genuine if somewhat unsuccessful attempt to fix certain game elements, but when 5th came out with the new wound allocation system that GW specifically said was FASTER, not just 'better' we knew right then and there GW was lying.

GW merely piled on from there, especially with a couple of bad power codices later on. GW no longer had one designer overseeing the writers, which exacerbated the fluctuating power levels between factions.
   
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gundam wrote:
If you could do it over again, would you not get into 40k? Or what would you have done differently?


If I could do it again, I'd not spend my pocket money on Chocolate & Cream Damper every weekend, and put it towards getting as many IG vehicles and Praetorians as I could...

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gundam wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I'd still get into 40k, no questions asked.

If I was starting again though, I probably wouldn't start with Tyranids, as I think starting with something other than organic shapes would have improved my painting faster compared to the years of prime, basecoat, wash and play.

That and picking up way too many armies. These days I'm happy with my Nids, Eldar and Marines, but I only play Eldar.


how many armies did you end up with when you had the most? And if you had the chance to sell Nids and Marines and recover all of your costs would you do it and keep only Nids?


These weren't fully fledged armies, but I picked up Assault on Black Reach when I only really wanted the rulebook so I ended up with orks and marines, tyranids and eldar so I had 4 "playable" armies and then a smattering of other kits from other factions.

I probably wouldn't only keep Nids now if I were to recoup the cost of the other armies, back in the day I just enjoyed games, but my idea of fun now are competitive games and Tyranids haven't really been good since 4th.

   
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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I'd still get into 40k, no questions asked.

If I was starting again though, I probably wouldn't start with Tyranids, as I think starting with something other than organic shapes would have improved my painting faster compared to the years of prime, basecoat, wash and play.

That and picking up way too many armies. These days I'm happy with my Nids, Eldar and Marines, but I only play Eldar.


how many armies did you end up with when you had the most? And if you had the chance to sell Nids and Marines and recover all of your costs would you do it and keep only Nids?


These weren't fully fledged armies, but I picked up Assault on Black Reach when I only really wanted the rulebook so I ended up with orks and marines, tyranids and eldar so I had 4 "playable" armies and then a smattering of other kits from other factions.

I probably wouldn't only keep Nids now if I were to recoup the cost of the other armies, back in the day I just enjoyed games, but my idea of fun now are competitive games and Tyranids haven't really been good since 4th.


I can assure you, competing with tyranids at the moment is not that hard, especially if you have some of the FW models (dules and dima). I am on a winning streak with nids in my player group, a group that used to prep continously for tournaments before covid. Another player in the group mains nid, and plays even better than me, also on a winning streak.
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To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
   
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gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"

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 Just Tony wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"
"opinions on the internet" by ProZD sums up this thread nicely (no link because of a naughty word).

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 Just Tony wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"


I think others show confusion at why people who dislike something are still interacting with the community of that thing.

Which can be surprising to some since in the physical world if you get tired of 40K or MTG or anything else you tend to stop turning up to the hobby night and store. Ergo you drift away and spend your time elsewhere even if you're still friends with the group. You just socialise with them outside of club nights if at all. Meanwhile online you keep socialising essentially in the "hobby club" which is the hobby forum. This confuses some because they wonder why you're on a GW site in a GW section of that site talking about GW stuff so often when you're "not into it " any more.

Personally I think there's a healthy way to retain a connection to a social group whilst leaving a hobby and there's an unhealthy point and its very easy to drift from the former to the latter without realising. Sadly what can happen is you can end up with a group making the migration and that develops a "toxic community".

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 Overread wrote:
I think others show confusion at why people who dislike something are still interacting with the community of that thing.

Which can be surprising to some since in the physical world if you get tired of 40K or MTG or anything else you tend to stop turning up to the hobby night and store. Ergo you drift away and spend your time elsewhere even if you're still friends with the group. You just socialise with them outside of club nights if at all. Meanwhile online you keep socialising essentially in the "hobby club" which is the hobby forum. This confuses some because they wonder why you're on a GW site in a GW section of that site talking about GW stuff so often when you're "not into it " any more.

Personally I think there's a healthy way to retain a connection to a social group whilst leaving a hobby and there's an unhealthy point and its very easy to drift from the former to the latter without realising. Sadly what can happen is you can end up with a group making the migration and that develops a "toxic community".


Precisely. When and if I become fed up with 40k (even if I happen to like other games including Age of Sigmar), I pretty sure I won't be visiting Dakkdakka anymore let alone posting anything. And certainly not in any of the 40k portions of it. The few MMOs I played and spent time in their forums or subreddits but don't like anymore don't have me making trips to see what bizarre and strange things they have become since I left. And I certainly wouldn't come in there and tell everyone how it was way better when I was playing it. They hold no interest to me usually as they changed in a way I no longer found enjoyable, so I stop participating in the game, forums, everything.

I don't see what it would accomplish beyond wasting time. Things change and often in ways we don't want them to. This includes things we enjoy like hobbies (the Death Guard precedents are a good current example). If these things have changed beyond what we are willing to adapt or can change to what we want, I don't why I would want to stick around if I don't have to. I have had whole games become unable to be played as they went away, changed in ways I didn't want or the player base disappeared. It sucks. I try to not go on and on about it. I try move on to the next thing I think will be me joy.
   
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Way to gatekeep who gets to post in the forum guys.

   
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 Da Boss wrote:
Way to gatekeep who gets to post in the forum guys.


That is a perspective I suppose. One could argue that it is hard to keep a gate from someone that obviously doesn't want inside but gripe at those that do enjoy the inside. Those that state they have no interest in 40k to the point they regret even starting yet continue post their disdain and affirm they no longer play 40k, and not likely to ever start again, on a 40k subforum is perplexing to you too right?

I didn't like the changes that came with Bolt Action second edition, but I am pretty sure I don't have any posts here in the WWII and Modern subfourm (nor the Warlord forum when it existed) complaining about it. I know I have a few there in the WWII subforum, but they are probably from a few years ago and maybe lament that I don't play WWII games at worst. I couldn't tell you the last time I even bothered checking it.

I would also imagine few game stores/clubs IRL wouldn't tolerate a person that shows up, doesn't buy anything nor plays and makes sure to interject they in fact don't play nor buy anything. From a different perspective, one could say that they are keeping the gate scaring off those interested. I don't take that perspective. Dakkadakka's reputation is already known for what the place is and has been your years if not more than a decade for better or worst. I like it here as I prefer forum based discussion over more modern social media save maybe local Discord servers.

I don't really mind/care who posts on Dakkadakka (please read that as someone with no authority and in the most positive, non-malicious light you can because I know where Dakkanaut like to go with statements like these) as long as they are sticking to the forum rules. I know how to make use of the ignore button and use it. I do have a mild curiosity to why someone would bother wasting their time with a 40k forum/subforum if they are checked out of the game with zero intention to come back as the game that is obviously moving further and further away from what they want while becoming more and more popular. I would certainly hope they are aware of sunk cost or have had some time introspecting why they continue doing something that disinterest 3rd parties to question why they even bother.
   
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I guess I've just never really had a problem with negative posts or people saying stuff I disagreed with on any kind of forum I am on.

It really doesn't bother me or impact my experience at all. I like to read all the different perspectives. The only people I don't like are the ones who are condescending or who only post to big up their ego, not actually engaging in discussion.

Given Dakka has an ignore function, it should be pretty easy to curate your experience I would say.

Most of the people posting here have said they do not regret playing 40K even if they did stop at some point. There are a couple of people who are a bit more bitter about it, but they are the vast minority.

I have been interested in Warhammer since I was a little kid. I am still interested in it, just not in the game at the moment. I collect and paint the minis and read the fiction and play video games. I would actually quite like it if I could get back into the game and play it, so I keep an eye on it to see how things are going.

I don't think that is weird at all.

   
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I would expect a subforum dedicated to 40k to have very few that would respond to a thread such as this stating they regret having any interest in 40k as to prefer to not get into again if they were given the chance. I would expect those with that much regret to have moved on and haven't seen this thread to respond. It wouldn't surprise me at all that a thread such as this wouldn't have anyone that regretted getting into 40k. Those that would have wouldn't be here to post their regret.

Again, it is some mild curiosity on my part to why someone would state they have no interest in 40k, haven't for a long time and don't ever really see themselves going back yet still visit/write-on this subforum or the 40k News and Rumor thread.

As I have mentioned, I think I am capable of understanding the idea of the, 'rug being pulled out from underneath' so to speak where there was a time when they really did like 40k and today's 40k isn't that. Often this comes from those who like 3rd, 4th and/or 5th. That's like a decade ago. More rarely there have been those who liked 6th/7th, but even with them I have seen much negatively pass the first year of 8th. I do think it is safe to say that 40k is very unlikely to go back to playing like it did prior to 8th.

So I am left wondering why someone that doesn't play and has no interest in playing (at least current 40k) would have much interest in staying current with 40k news and discussion. I recognized very early on that GW fans are extremely hopeful that maybe this next edition, codex, unit or whatever will be what they want. Often deludedly so. Many hype things up or take a shred of a rumor from dark corner of the interest and treat is as something GW stated was definitely happening exactly as they pictured it. Then when the thing comes, they are devastated and angry. They start call GW liars. Yet they can't produce the statement they 'know' GW put out. I have seen this thing enough times that it is sort of tragic. And I certainly don't want someone to waste that amount of time getting their hopes and expectations well beyond what could be delivered to be dashed again and again waited for what isn't likely ever happening.

I also don't want myself or anyone else to be especially upset or angry with 40k or any hobby. To me, that is the only sure-fire way one can be doing it wrong. Warhammer 40k is supposed to be fun. Many people can have different ways to find fun in 40k. But I do have my doubts to those whose hobby is complaining about GW and 40k being much fun long term. I have my concerns to the spiritual health of person who perpetually seems to just dislike everything about current 40k yet continues to engage in it. Much like Star Wars or wrestling fans that constantly gripe and complain about literally everything that comes out. I think it might be healthier for them to just walk away. Maybe I am being overly concerned. I don't know.

Which is where my next concern comes in to some perpetually negative posters come in. I do wonder if they can just walk away. I have serious doubts with some, and that makes me kinda sad. Again, the only way I know that someone is doing the hobby wrong is that they aren't having any fun. Some might say they are just being critical of 40k, when I often read it as overly critical at minimum and just mean at worst. I get the impression they really aren't being honest with themselves. Warhammer 40k hasn't really changed from what has been in the decade I have known about it, and I suspect for the next decade it's going to stay about that way. It can certainly be better, and I don't like everything about it. However, there are posters who just seem to have an axe to grind against GW and 40k and are bound and determined to hate it at every turn.

To be sure, a few of them don't post here anymore. I don't know if they left, or they were banned. Neither would surprise me. Even if Dakka is very slow to bring down that hammer (which I do like about here). I think Dakkadakka is more positive than when I actually joined, and a heck of a lot better visited before I finally did join. However, there still are a number of those that I can't explain what they get out of continued involvement with discussing 40k anymore. At least not anything I would consider good for the psyche. They certainly don't sound like they are having any fun and haven't for a long time.

It isn't about gatekeeping or policing opinions. It is about genuine concern that my fellow man is struggling with something that should be fun but no longer is for them, and yet they can't give it up. I don't think it is much of leap to think 40k tends to draw in obsessive types (partly guilty myself) that could have these kinds of issues either.
   
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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

It isn't about gatekeeping or policing opinions. It is about genuine concern that my fellow man is struggling with something that should be fun but no longer is for them, and yet they can't give it up. I don't think it is much of leap to think 40k tends to draw in obsessive types (partly guilty myself) that could have these kinds of issues either.


This sums it up well for me as well.

It's not even about being part of Dakka either as there are lots of other subsections for other games and interests on the site. Sometimes I see people who put a lot of energy and time into complaining about a GW game or such and I wonder if that person could better put that energy and time into positive threads on the game they are enjoying right now; or the anime or comic or toys or whatever. Ergo into the other things that they engage with which share the same/similar community and can be interacted with through Dakka.

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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
...So I am left wondering why someone that doesn't play and has no interest in playing (at least current 40k) would have much interest in staying current with 40k news and discussion...


Perhaps people who liked 40k pre-8th/9th don't equate "40k discussion" to "may not complain about GW's rules writing". You'll notice this isn't the "9e is the greatest wargame ever discussion" forum, this is the 40k general discussion forum. The hobby is more things than playing tournament-standard 9th.

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I don't regret getting into 40k.

My regret is indecisiveness on faction. Every six months there's this urge to start a new army. Which usually entails buying 1-3 kits (or more depending on discounts etc), painting up a couple before thinking "nah, move on". I'd almost certainly have done better bulking out my main armies rather than over the last 5-6 years getting a few hundred points of say Marines, Guard, CSM, Ad Mech, Tyranids, Harlequins, some Tzeentch Daemons I took a fancy too in about 2014 etc etc.

Like right now I'd love to start Death Guard - but would I ever get to 2kish points? More likely I'd paint up my 7 Plague Marines and that would be enough (sorry 30 Poxwalkers or whatever I'd get with them). I do enjoy painting - but in the long run having these penny sized forces feels a bit like a waste, when I could be rounding out forces which are actually at the 2k level and will see play.

(If this sounds like whale behaviour it probably is. I think the Start Collecting sets have been a gold mine for GW and would worry their Combat Patrol kits are getting a bit expensive even if they may offer a comparable saving.)

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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
...obsessive types (partly guilty myself) that could have these kinds of issues either.

I don't think we even need to get into obsessiveness. 40k demands significant investments of money, time, money, effort, time, money, and money to do anything more than casual play (barring those lucky enough to inherit someone else's army, or are able to get one for pennies on the dollar), and if someone decided that they'd had enough it may end up being quite difficult to recoup any of that investment. That's a recipe for some grade-A Sunk Cost issues.
   
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 Just Tony wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"



lmao, exactly... who hurt you and why are you so salty? I genuinely wanted to know if they dont enjoy 40k as much or wish if they hadn't gone into it if they were going to leave all together or why they were still hanging around the community, like someone else posted here


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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
...So I am left wondering why someone that doesn't play and has no interest in playing (at least current 40k) would have much interest in staying current with 40k news and discussion...


Perhaps people who liked 40k pre-8th/9th don't equate "40k discussion" to "may not complain about GW's rules writing". You'll notice this isn't the "9e is the greatest wargame ever discussion" forum, this is the 40k general discussion forum. The hobby is more things than playing tournament-standard 9th.


well put, GW and the competitive side of the game have a lot of faults, but there are plenty of positives in other parts of the hobby


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 waefre_1 wrote:
 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
...obsessive types (partly guilty myself) that could have these kinds of issues either.

I don't think we even need to get into obsessiveness. 40k demands significant investments of money, time, money, effort, time, money, and money to do anything more than casual play (barring those lucky enough to inherit someone else's army, or are able to get one for pennies on the dollar), and if someone decided that they'd had enough it may end up being quite difficult to recoup any of that investment. That's a recipe for some grade-A Sunk Cost issues.


Given the money, time, money, effort, time, money, formula you posted, I myself put MORE emphasis on the time part, given the hobby side of things.

I do agree that the it is a recipe for some grade-A Sunk Cost issues that I dont see in any other hobbies I have encountered in my life, so thats why I do see how many people who are unhappy with this, just cant seem to let it go.


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Tyel wrote:
I don't regret getting into 40k.

My regret is indecisiveness on faction. Every six months there's this urge to start a new army. Which usually entails buying 1-3 kits (or more depending on discounts etc), painting up a couple before thinking "nah, move on". I'd almost certainly have done better bulking out my main armies rather than over the last 5-6 years getting a few hundred points of say Marines, Guard, CSM, Ad Mech, Tyranids, Harlequins, some Tzeentch Daemons I took a fancy too in about 2014 etc etc.

Like right now I'd love to start Death Guard - but would I ever get to 2kish points? More likely I'd paint up my 7 Plague Marines and that would be enough (sorry 30 Poxwalkers or whatever I'd get with them). I do enjoy painting - but in the long run having these penny sized forces feels a bit like a waste, when I could be rounding out forces which are actually at the 2k level and will see play.

(If this sounds like whale behaviour it probably is. I think the Start Collecting sets have been a gold mine for GW and would worry their Combat Patrol kits are getting a bit expensive even if they may offer a comparable saving.)


so given the chance to do it over, how many factions do you think would have been the best number for you?


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 Da Boss wrote:
I guess I've just never really had a problem with negative posts or people saying stuff I disagreed with on any kind of forum I am on.

It really doesn't bother me or impact my experience at all. I like to read all the different perspectives. The only people I don't like are the ones who are condescending or who only post to big up their ego, not actually engaging in discussion.

Given Dakka has an ignore function, it should be pretty easy to curate your experience I would say.

Most of the people posting here have said they do not regret playing 40K even if they did stop at some point. There are a couple of people who are a bit more bitter about it, but they are the vast minority.

I have been interested in Warhammer since I was a little kid. I am still interested in it, just not in the game at the moment. I collect and paint the minis and read the fiction and play video games. I would actually quite like it if I could get back into the game and play it, so I keep an eye on it to see how things are going.

I don't think that is weird at all.


Yeah I dont get why some people took a personal offense to it. Most people have been posting they would still get into it but they might have done some things differently. And I found those examples pretty interesting, which would also be interesting for new people coming in.

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Overread wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"


I think others show confusion at why people who dislike something are still interacting with the community of that thing.

Which can be surprising to some since in the physical world if you get tired of 40K or MTG or anything else you tend to stop turning up to the hobby night and store. Ergo you drift away and spend your time elsewhere even if you're still friends with the group. You just socialise with them outside of club nights if at all. Meanwhile online you keep socialising essentially in the "hobby club" which is the hobby forum. This confuses some because they wonder why you're on a GW site in a GW section of that site talking about GW stuff so often when you're "not into it " any more.

Personally I think there's a healthy way to retain a connection to a social group whilst leaving a hobby and there's an unhealthy point and its very easy to drift from the former to the latter without realising. Sadly what can happen is you can end up with a group making the migration and that develops a "toxic community".


For me personally it's because I play an older edition, am still invested in the lore (what's left of it), and hopefully am treated to new models that will port into 3rd Ed. easily enough. Should I NOT be part of discussions on here because I don't play current? Hell, there were a few discussions where people used false claims about my preferred edition to defend current garbage rules existing. If I wasn't here those false claims would have laid unopposed.

gundam wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
gundam wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
To OP: No, I would not get into 40k again.


Will you leave the hobby and sell the armies or let it slowly fade away and collect dust?
Will you stop posting this message to everyone who wouldn't start 40k again? NGL, being a GW shill isn't a good look. They are a £3b company, they don't need a random guy on the internet to defend their poor business practices.


Some people seem borderline offended. "How DARE you stop enjoying something I still enjoy?!?!?!?!"



lmao, exactly... who hurt you and why are you so salty? I genuinely wanted to know if they dont enjoy 40k as much or wish if they hadn't gone into it if they were going to leave all together or why they were still hanging around the community, like someone else posted here




You DO know I was calling out YOUR behavior in that instance and not BCB's, right? Just because he doesn't latch compulsively onto the GW teat for all current releases doesn't mean he should be disallowed from discussion, either unwillingly or by rather garbage poster pressure such as what you passive aggressively did.

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