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2021/01/09 08:34:49
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
I don't like the Stormraven flyer transport that seems to be the only all plastic flying transport available for every Space Marine Chapter. However, I really love both the Stormfang of the Space Wolves and the Blackstar of the Deathwatch; both of those to me look like "proper" Space Marine flyers.
So how do I legally add either or both to my BA army? Possible?
If it's possible to add them to my army somehow, I dont mind paying extra CP for it. I'd then even go as far as to repaint the flyers in my chapter colourscheme and remove the incorrect faction markings from the flyer models.
For me its all about style before substance
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
2021/01/09 08:48:30
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
You can add a Space Wolves or Deathwatch patrol if you want those flyers, needing an HQ and a troop of those chapters.
But those flyers can only carry SW or DW models anyway and you'd also lose special abilities that require the entire army to be part of the same chapter (like Savage Fury for SW).
2021/01/09 08:49:53
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
You would need to have another detachment to put the flyer in. This will cost you some CP.
Note however:
Your blood angels will lose their super doctrine (no +1 attack in the assault doctrine).
Your blood angels will not be able to ride in the transport from another chapter.
2021/01/09 08:50:27
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
tauist wrote: I don't like the Stormraven flyer transport that seems to be the only all plastic flying transport available for every Space Marine Chapter. However, I really love both the Stormfang of the Space Wolves and the Blackstar of the Deathwatch; both of those to me look like "proper" Space Marine flyers.
So how do I legally add either or both to my BA army? Possible?
Of course, but battleforged is a different issue.
If it's possible to add them to my army somehow, I dont mind paying extra CP for it. I'd then even go as far as to repaint the flyers in my chapter colourscheme and remove the incorrect faction markings from the flyer models.
For me its all about style before substance
You can have them all in 1 detachment if you want, you can mix Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Deathwatch in a single detachment.
You are giving up a lot of army wide buffs though if you do.
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2021/01/09 09:10:20
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
tauist wrote: I don't like the Stormraven flyer transport that seems to be the only all plastic flying transport available for every Space Marine Chapter. However, I really love both the Stormfang of the Space Wolves and the Blackstar of the Deathwatch; both of those to me look like "proper" Space Marine flyers.
So how do I legally add either or both to my BA army? Possible?
Of course, but battleforged is a different issue.
If it's possible to add them to my army somehow, I dont mind paying extra CP for it. I'd then even go as far as to repaint the flyers in my chapter colourscheme and remove the incorrect faction markings from the flyer models.
For me its all about style before substance
You can have them all in 1 detachment if you want, you can mix Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Deathwatch in a single detachment.
You are giving up a lot of army wide buffs though if you do.
When you say this, do you mean that I have to make my army "Astartes" instead of "Blood Angels"? And then I could have these flyers, but could also have DC?
I don't actually mind losing battleforged buffs if that's all it takes. I already deliberately soup in order to lose the doctrines so a further loss of +1A on the charge isn't going to break the camel's back. EDIT: Ahh but aren't all Matched Play missions "battleforged only"? If they are, then there is no hope for me. O'well
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Stux wrote: You would need to have another detachment to put the flyer in. This will cost you some CP.
Note however:
Your blood angels will lose their super doctrine (no +1 attack in the assault doctrine).
Your blood angels will not be able to ride in the transport from another chapter.
Do the rules actually state that only SPACE WOLF units can be embarked on a Stormfang, and only DEATHWATCH units can be embarked on a Blackstar?
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
2021/01/09 09:52:33
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
tauist wrote: I don't like the Stormraven flyer transport that seems to be the only all plastic flying transport available for every Space Marine Chapter. However, I really love both the Stormfang of the Space Wolves and the Blackstar of the Deathwatch; both of those to me look like "proper" Space Marine flyers.
So how do I legally add either or both to my BA army? Possible?
Of course, but battleforged is a different issue.
If it's possible to add them to my army somehow, I dont mind paying extra CP for it. I'd then even go as far as to repaint the flyers in my chapter colourscheme and remove the incorrect faction markings from the flyer models.
For me its all about style before substance
You can have them all in 1 detachment if you want, you can mix Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Deathwatch in a single detachment.
You are giving up a lot of army wide buffs though if you do.
When you say this, do you mean that I have to make my army "Astartes" instead of "Blood Angels"? And then I could have these flyers, but could also have DC?
I don't actually mind losing battleforged buffs if that's all it takes. I already deliberately soup in order to lose the doctrines so a further loss of +1A on the charge isn't going to break the camel's back. EDIT: Ahh but aren't all Matched Play missions "battleforged only"? If they are, then there is no hope for me. O'well
If you want a battleforged army, then a unit's Faction is important when building a Battle-forged army, because most Detachments require all units included in them to be from the same Faction.
For example: An Intercessor Squad has the IMPERIUM and ADEPTUS ASTARTES Faction keywords, so belongs to both the Imperium and Adeptus Astartes Factions. This means that if an Intercessor Squad was part of a Detachment that specified that all units in it must be from the same Faction, all other units in that Detachment must either be from the Imperium Faction, or they must all be from the Adeptus Astartes Faction.
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2021/01/09 10:54:37
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
For example: An Intercessor Squad has the IMPERIUM and ADEPTUS ASTARTES Faction keywords, so belongs to both the Imperium and Adeptus Astartes Factions. This means that if an Intercessor Squad was part of a Detachment that specified that all units in it must be from the same Faction, all other units in that Detachment must either be from the Imperium Faction, or they must all be from the Adeptus Astartes Faction.
In matched play, all units in a detachment must have at least one common faction keyword, which cant be IMPERIUM. You can have an ADEPTUS ASTARTES detachment, but you cant have an IMPERIUM detachment. See p. 280 muster armies.
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2021/01/09 11:01:00
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
Ok, so if I understand this correctly, I'd have to include a detachment of either SW or DW in my BA army in order to field the flyers, and they couldn't carry any other units.
Another way is to drop battleforged, and therefore exclude the army as a viable entry into Matched Play missions? And I'd also need to make my BAtac squads "counts as" SW / DW hehe
How disappointing. Guess the FW flyer is my only option. Cuz I just cant stand the sight of that flying brick with its stumpy dimensions.
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
2021/01/09 11:04:37
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
For example: An Intercessor Squad has the IMPERIUM and ADEPTUS ASTARTES Faction keywords, so belongs to both the Imperium and Adeptus Astartes Factions. This means that if an Intercessor Squad was part of a Detachment that specified that all units in it must be from the same Faction, all other units in that Detachment must either be from the Imperium Faction, or they must all be from the Adeptus Astartes Faction.
In matched play, all units in a detachment must have at least one common faction keyword, which cant be IMPERIUM. You can have an ADEPTUS ASTARTES detachment, but you cant have an IMPERIUM detachment. See p. 280 muster armies.
What is your point?
My quote, that starts with "For example:" is literally from Page 245 of the BRB...
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2021/01/09 11:09:14
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
tauist wrote: Ok, so if I understand this correctly, I'd have to include a detachment of either SW or DW in my BA army in order to field the flyers, and they couldn't carry any other units.
Another way is to drop battleforged, and therefore exclude the army as a viable entry into Matched Play missions? And I'd also need to make my BAtac squads "counts as" SW / DW hehe
You can play your entire army as SW or DW. You can also ask your opponent for permission to use the DW or SW flyer as "counts as" stormraven. I wouldnt have a problem with that.
My quote, that starts with "For example:" is literally from Page 245 of the BRB...
My point is that you cant have an IMPERIUM detachment in matched play.
Who said you could?
I never mentioned matched play.
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
2021/01/09 12:42:47
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
p5freak wrote: You can play your entire army as SW or DW. You can also ask your opponent for permission to use the DW or SW flyer as "counts as" stormraven. I wouldnt have a problem with that.
I'd do that, assuming your opponents are of similar skill with their armies.
I too would have no issues with you proxying a Stormfang or Blackstar as a Stormraven.
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2021/01/09 13:14:04
Subject: How can I add chapter-specific flyers to my SM army?
p5freak wrote: You can play your entire army as SW or DW. You can also ask your opponent for permission to use the DW or SW flyer as "counts as" stormraven. I wouldnt have a problem with that.
I'd do that, assuming your opponents are of similar skill with their armies.
I too would have no issues with you proxying a Stormfang or Blackstar as a Stormraven.
That's probably my best course of action! Great idea
I'll just have to make sure I can kit out a weapon loadout to the flyer so at least all the guns will be WYSIWYG if possible. The stormraven rules themeselves are fine and my desire for these models is only cosmetic, so its certainly the best alternative.
Cheers
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
