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Ok, as a guy who’s all about spoiler tags being unnecessary because you shouldn’t read a thread about something if you don’t want spoilers for it, we should really move the Shang Chi to a separate or movie thread. Putting a movie trailer into a tv thread and having posts that are entirely a single spoiler tag with no context what it’s a spoiler for is just something with the potential to bite someone.

Aye that was on me, added a reference to Shang-chi before the spoiler

 AduroT wrote:
Ok, as a guy who’s all about spoiler tags being unnecessary because you shouldn’t read a thread about something if you don’t want spoilers for it, we should really move the Shang Chi to a separate or movie thread. Putting a movie trailer into a tv thread and having posts that are entirely a single spoiler tag with no context what it’s a spoiler for is just something with the potential to bite someone.

This movie has been brought up and discussed in this thread before so it seemed odd to already have talked about it here, shown the original trailer here, and now want to make a new thread.

Voss wrote:
Its a weird thing, because the character clearly doesn't have a reason to share at all. But we're 3 of 6 episodes in and the villain has presented no motivation to all this. Its a weird place to be. Maybe Mobius is her boyfriend and its a revenge plot. Maybe its just purely survival. Maybe she's secretly Kang. Possibilities should be narrowing at this point in the arc, and instead its just as completely open-ended as it was in episode one.

Still think episode 3 was mostly an enchanted Loki.

Firmly believe the two will realize they need to cause a super event during the end of the world so TVA has to show up to correct it before the end of this world, giving them the chance to escape.

However, if Loki pulls out the real remote device have faked the destruction of the device before, that will truly make most of episode 3 pointless and make me very angry...

Honestly? Loki infuriating the audience in that way would be Peak Loki, and I’m up for that.

Other opinions are of course available and valid.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Honestly? Loki infuriating the audience in that way would be Peak Loki, and I’m up for that.

That was my first thought as well. I don't think that is going to happen but honestly it seems right up his alley to do such a thing to better learn about Sylvie. What would annoy me is if they did the whole "it was all in his mind and was an enchantment none of this happened".

A fair criticism.

If they do do that, then I trust them to make it either suitably satisfying, or suitably infuriating for us as the audience.

The satisfying? Seeing Loki humbled some, another step on his redemption arc.

On the infuriating? Dunno how I’d describe that. Thankfully, dammit Jim I’m a [redacted], not a screenwriter.

Loki had a redemption arc already. It was good. Time for a full heel turn.

 MDSW wrote:
Firmly believe the two will realize they need to cause a super event during the end of the world so TVA has to show up to correct it before the end of this world, giving them the chance to escape.

Pretty sure they established that won't work. This is planetary bodies colliding, not much room for sending up flags when the slate is being wiped clean on this scale.

However, if Loki pulls out the real remote device have faked the destruction of the device before, that will truly make most of episode 3 pointless and make me very angry...

I think it'd be great, because it'd be evidence that someone was thinking- and that would be both Loki and the writers. They need to show that they grasp he isn't a punching comic relief character like some sort of Captain America sidekick.
This show really needs to step away from the Marvel 'beat-em-up while quipping' formula.

Episode 3 already feels mostly pointless. A few insights into Loki (lots of which we already knew) and a dribble from Sylvie plopped into the middle of the train ride is pretty much the sum total of the episode.

Does anyone else think that maybe the time keepers are just another Loki who is constantly trying to keep himself from messing with his own plans?

 Lance845 wrote:
Does anyone else think that maybe the time keepers are just another Loki who is constantly trying to keep himself from messing with his own plans?

"The only thing that can stop me now is me...feth."

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Honestly? Loki infuriating the audience in that way would be Peak Loki, and I’m up for that.

I don't think Loki, the show, is infuriating the audience. It's just that the third episode was pretty gak. The first two episodes set up a great mystery that the third episode failed to capitalise on. We learnt nothing about Sylvie outside of some vague references, and Loki didn't do what Loki should have done and press here on details.

People often use the title 'filler episode' erroneously if an episode doesn't have any major reveals or big action pieces. This episode had a big action piece (and a couple of smaller ones), and didn't have any reveals, but it also didn't service the story. Loki and Sylvie spent the entire episode trying to escape a dying moon and ended the episode still trying to escape a dying moon. In the interim we learnt next to nothing about a character that was given an entire episode of focus. And then the narrative just kind of stopped. It didn't have an ending.

This was a filler ep. Perhaps the most filler-y ep of all 3 shows so far.

We learned Sylvie didn't have a mother most of her life and had to learn magic on her own which is why her skillset differs from Loki.
We learned that the TVA is staffed by mind-controlled/wiped variants.

 trexmeyer wrote:
We learned Sylvie didn't have a mother most of her life and had to learn magic on her own which is why her skillset differs from Loki.

Or she's lying. But even so, that was basically 5 minutes of runtime padded by lots of running about and punching nobodies.
The dining car scene was nice for the characters, but nearly everything before or after that was a waste of runtime.

We learned that the TVA is staffed by mind-controlled/wiped variants.

Well. Reinforced that.
Its been dangling since episode 1 (though some of those threads could be dismissed as 'they forgot to tell the actors not to act obviously American')
But the jetski magazine and all the little personal touches for various characters were big flashing 'mindwipe' signs.

Folks seen the news today about Marvel Disney going full meta and changing the end credits scene for Wandavision, possibly due to whats happening in Loki?

Those who found it are saying they have also made some minor changes to the terrain not that I noticed, but the main change is a mirror like reflection of a humanoid shape floating down to the cabin, and on the mountain behind the shadow of the shape seems to be Strange.

Had a look myself a little while back and its there and I don't recall it being there when the series first aired.

If true, that’s real next-level stuff! I’ll also say well played to Marvel / D+ for taking advantage of an opportunity to do something different because it’s a digital streaming service.

Hmm.

I’m dubious.

I shall need to rewatch WandaVision. Oh what foul penance!

I see what they’re talking about, and I don’t know if it wasn’t there before because it’s Subtle. It had to watch and rewatch to spot it while specifically looking for it.

Yeah, I'd seen a bit of the twitter video so I knew when to go to on the credit scene, but its really odd, almost like Predator camouflage, but you can make out a persons shadow on the mountain behind, and I've seen a blown up freeze frame that really looks like a silhouette of Strange.


For anyone looking its just before it zooms in on the cabin while the camera is moving closer to Wanda on the porch, coming down from the left side of the screen with the mountain behind it and its heading toward the cabin itself.

I’m not convinced it means anything. Some online posts are suggesting it’s a badly deleted/ blurred out shadow from a helicopter.

That being said, the foliage on the trees has definitely changed, so why go back and change it at all if it isn’t significant?

Yeah its the change to the scenery which is why folks think its a change Marvel has done on purpose. In fact one of the suggestions I've seen is that it happened/changed after second Loki episode, so after Sylvie fractured the time line.

No idea if that's right, but hilarious if so.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Still think episode 3 was mostly an enchanted Loki.

This was 100% my take. The whole episode has an air of "tell so the audience doesn't realize we're showing".

Overall, I liked it as a bit of character building more than the first episode. I'm just not in love with the TVA stuff and this gave Tom a lot more to work with as the star of the show.




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 AduroT wrote:
A little surprised Loki never tried calling for Heimdall. I don’t know where they’re at in the timeline though if that was a viable option. I suppose instead we’ll get the TSA searching apocalypses for them coming in and providing an exit.

Last Avengers Loki knew, the Bifrost was broken. He specifically mentions that Odin must have used some dark magics to send Thor to earth to stop him in the film.

A TVA save from Mobius seems likely, if its not all a fantasy to begin with. A little questionable that they'd actually pick the right apocalypse given they only found Sylvie in the first place due to the gum, but I don't put the show above such things.

It's possible that Loki is trying to get caught (ie help the TVA catch Sylvie).... his idea of changing time by getting the rocket of the ground and escaping would create a new timeline and bring the TVA running.

They are also in 2077 (if I remember correctly). Heimdall and Asguard are long gone, so no bifrost save.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
They are also in 2077 (if I remember correctly). Heimdall and Asguard are long gone, so no bifrost save.

But Loki does not necessarily know that. I guess he would know Asgard does get destroyed, because he read the file and shed that tear, but I don’t recall if he knows what year he’s in.

I am thinking this is where we get president Loki.

Well….crikey blimey O’reilly!




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Post credits scene folks. And what a corker it is!

Well That was a rollercoaster of emotions!