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 Just Tony wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
The double standard isn't on disney. Its on the people criticizing it.

Comparing a mainline Disney Marvel show to Kevin Smith toilet humor is the problem. One actually HAD standards.

No, I think it's very apt to point out that there has never been a single conversation what-so-ever about how unnecessary it is for Brody to question whether the Thing has a orange rocky dick and the many conversations cropping up all over the place (It's not just a couple people here on this forum. I see the same kinds of comments in other places.) about Jennifer Walters questioning whether or not Steve Rogers, a famous hero in her world, ever got laid. I think the ridiculousness of it is pretty plain to see. If your point about Jenn doesn't hold up when transposed to another fictional character then what argument do you have? Both comments in both pieces of film are a joke played for laughs. But Brody's crass comments are brushed off as nothing and Jenn's are a point to be made. A negative point of the episode for those bringing it up.

It's a double standard completely and totally.

You were around the wrong people, then. Brody's commentary was remarked upon pretty much everywhere , and seen as an indictment of the type of freakshows the general populace thought comics nerds are.

Pondered it a bit more, might have a peek next week, the first episode was Hulk stuff set up heavy, hopefully next when she is back in the world they'll work in her scooby squad, which was always a thing in the law shows its homage/parody of, and course Tim Roth being Tim Roth cos why be something else if you're Tim Roth

also calling it now, Matt and Jenn become a thing and that's what pushes Karen into the Born Again plot

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Pondered it a bit more, might have a peek next week, the first episode was Hulk stuff set up heavy, hopefully next when she is back in the world they'll work in her scooby squad, which was always a thing in the law shows its homage/parody of, and course Tim Roth being Tim Roth cos why be something else if you're Tim Roth

also calling it now, Matt and Jenn become a thing and that's what pushes Karen into the Born Again plot

Yikes, I seriously hope that they don't do that. Given Jenn's personality and Matt's brooding, I don't want to see Matt to be the straight man to Jenn's hijiinks and it would be very jarring to try and cross the two opposing genre sub-types they come from. Thankfully Matt, assuming they keep his characterization from the Netflix series, isn't into the weird "Omg, try to imagine being single in your thirrrrrrrties" type of girl, so I'm hoping he's more of antagonistic character that eventually parts ways with her amicably.

Also Jenn is a prosecutor in this first case and Matt is specifically a criminal defense lawyer.

Them being in a relationship is a conflict of interest. Id rather see her and DD meet in the streets to deal with whatever while Jenn and Matt spar in the courtroom.

I’m too lazy to remember which conversations happened where, but for anyone complaining that Jenn was pondering Steve’s sex life and how inappropriate that might be, keep in mind that Banner knew the exact answer.

 AduroT wrote:
I’m too lazy to remember which conversations happened where, but for anyone complaining that Jenn was pondering Steve’s sex life and how inappropriate that might be, keep in mind that Banner knew the exact answer.

I don't see how that makes it any better tbh, and the fact that Bruce knows doesn't matter as much given that he's actually friends with Steve, unlike Jenn, who only knows his public image. It would be equivalent of her saying Thanos just needed to get laid and the reason why he was so genocidal was because he was sexually frustrated, which would be incredibly dismissive of how tramautizing the snap was for some people and the negative impact he had on people living on Earth, not to mention Bruce who was personally involved trying to stop him. It's a weird dynamic, where if I had a relative of mine talk about one of my personal friends who happen to be famous about their sexual history, it would come off as weird and awkward, even if I'm close to this relative. At least sex stuff rarely, if ever, comes up between conversations for me and my cousins except when it comes to games or shows in terms of jokes, but never about their SO or friends of theirs in that kind of manner. I dunno, I guess I'm apparently old fashioned for being that way?

The weirdest thing here is how much effort you're putting into trying to prove it's not weird that you're so bothered by it. Old fashioned doesn't even begin to cover it.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The weirdest thing here is how much effort you're putting into trying to prove it's not weird that you're so bothered by it. Old fashioned doesn't even begin to cover it.

Pardon me for not being fan of how poorly done their comedy is being put into the show. This one is just more egregious to me than the others because it's clearly taking a shot at a legacy character like Captain America using a very clunky and vapid topic out of all the possible things she could have talked about with Bruce. I also just wanted point out the hypocrisy of a feminist character like She Hulk proceeding to make fun of Steve for being a virgin, as if his worth depended on having sex and fulfilling the gender roles of the evil heteropatriarchy that objectifies women.

I'm just waiting for her to lecture Matt Murdock about how hard it is to be a women in law, and for him to just sit there and take it while he goes back to reading his braille, but I think that's something that's too on the nose for Marvel to consider ever putting in.

It appears to me that far from being clunky it's a perfectly natural thing, both in terms of how people interact with each other on a day to day basis in reality, and totally consistent with aspects of Jen's character since forever.

It seems more like you're holding a minority viewpoint, which is fine, but then making it a fault of the product rather acknowledging that it's doing something you don't like because of that viewpoint, which is less fine.

 Lance845 wrote:
Also Jenn is a prosecutor in this first case and Matt is specifically a criminal defense lawyer.

Them being in a relationship is a conflict of interest. Id rather see her and DD meet in the streets to deal with whatever while Jenn and Matt spar in the courtroom.

Id cite McBeal vs Paul, inappropriate and unwise hand holding choices are a cornerstone of the lady-centric comedy-drama genre, heck you could even wrangle a Stark reference in

But yeah it wont really happen and I missed the I meant to end the comment with

 Grimskul wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The weirdest thing here is how much effort you're putting into trying to prove it's not weird that you're so bothered by it. Old fashioned doesn't even begin to cover it.

Pardon me for not being fan of how poorly done their comedy is being put into the show. This one is just more egregious to me than the others because it's clearly taking a shot at a legacy character like Captain America using a very clunky and vapid topic out of all the possible things she could have talked about with Bruce. I also just wanted point out the hypocrisy of a feminist character like She Hulk proceeding to make fun of Steve for being a virgin, as if his worth depended on having sex and fulfilling the gender roles of the evil heteropatriarchy that objectifies women.

I'm just waiting for her to lecture Matt Murdock about how hard it is to be a women in law, and for him to just sit there and take it while he goes back to reading his braille, but I think that's something that's too on the nose for Marvel to consider ever putting in.

When exactly did she "make fun" of Steve for potentially being a virgin? She never said any aspect of it as derogatory. She was debating the facts of the situation as a conversation she was having fun participating in. Then, in the post credits, she triumphantly exalts the answer to the question. There was no making fun. There was good natured debate followed by celebration.

On Jenn’s seeming obsession with Cap’s…..passionate hugging experience.

Cap was a hunk. Literally the peak of human potential, with America’s ass.

Jenn almost certainly fancies/fancied him, and sees the chance he may have died a virgin as a waste before womankind.

It’s not that complex, is it? I really don’t understand why folk are getting upset about it.

Woman’s cousin knows sadly deceased celebrity Woman and no doubt many women lust after. Bit of vicarious thrills. FIN.

 Grimskul wrote:
I also just wanted point out the hypocrisy of a feminist character like She Hulk proceeding to make fun of Steve for being a virgin, as if his worth depended on having sex and fulfilling the gender roles of the evil heteropatriarchy that objectifies women.

At no point does she make fun of him for being a virgin, nor does she seem to imply she sees anything wrong with it or that it in any way diminishes his character or achievements. I think anyone reading that into the conversation has much more of an agenda than they're accusing the show of having. I viewed it more as a light-hearted conversation that also happens to tie into the various comments Bruce makes about the realities of life as a superhero.

Slipspace wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
I also just wanted point out the hypocrisy of a feminist character like She Hulk proceeding to make fun of Steve for being a virgin, as if his worth depended on having sex and fulfilling the gender roles of the evil heteropatriarchy that objectifies women.

At no point does she make fun of him for being a virgin, nor does she seem to imply she sees anything wrong with it or that it in any way diminishes his character or achievements. I think anyone reading that into the conversation has much more of an agenda than they're accusing the show of having. I viewed it more as a light-hearted conversation that also happens to tie into the various comments Bruce makes about the realities of life as a superhero.

I think it also bears repeating - the question of whether Steve did or did not get a chance to do the nasty in the pasty has been a very long running geekworld fan debate. Having her bring it up is both the kind of comic flirtation with the fourth wall the character is known for, as well a giving the MCU a chance to make a retrospective canon ruling on it.

Some strong Thunderbolts teasing in this episode. Also another fun little Post Credits, likely much less controversial this time.

Hey look! It's Josh Segarra!

Yeah, so, 30m runtime, including 1.5m worth of recap/Marvel logo and over 6m of credits. Plus a story that stops at the third act break. Wonderful. Why are D+ shows so abysmally paced/structured? It's so damned frustrating to see the potential washed down the drain, week, after week, after week.

On the bright side, unlike last week, we now have a sense of what the show is about. This episode was still mostly set up, but it appears we're over that hump and into the show proper (both these episodes could have been a single episode, with the "ending" being a nice complication cliffhanger to draw us back next week).

Jen is still great, even if the 4th wall stuff isn't being used enough to be meaningful. I like that we have a story - something a number of MCU D+ shows failed to incorporate - but as something that's billed as a legal comedy the show isn't funny. There are laughs - MCU style laughs, which is totally fine - and I can see it attempting to ape things like Ally McBeal (especially Jen talking over Bruce during the phone conversation), but it's not being clever about it. It's not a comedy (yet, at least). It does feel like it's trying to be though, which is somehow worse. Take the family, for example, who were awful (intentionally), but in an unrealistic way, almost caricatures. Give me Kamala's family any damned day. And her best friend is annoying. And it seems that they put Bruce on a bus. Cool.

So, like last week, I still want to see what happens next, but right now it still feels half baked, and the cutting off mid-plot that this show keeps doing (like almost every D+ show) isn't helping.

And it seems that they put Bruce on a bus. Cool.

That was pretty inevitable.
Paying Ruffalo for a guest spot is different from paying him for the show's run. (And I'm pretty sure that Hollywood is structured in a way that even a brief presence in a second episode changes the required credits and salary).

Also (and IMO, more importantly), Bruce as a recurring character fundamentally changes the show. It would no longer be She-Hulk, Attorney at Law, but the Hulk (also starring She-Hulk) Show.

...ugh. Repeatedly typing hulk just drives home how stupid super-hero names are.

After watching episode 2 of She-Hulk I think it would be much better for the start of that series if there was just one longer episode made from the first two.

I was disappointed that at no point in the episode did her father said, "I have, a plan!"

 Shadow Walker wrote:
After watching episode 2 of She-Hulk I think it would be much better for the start of that series if there was just one longer episode made from the first two.

Apparently the press screenings included the first 4 this time around. I suspect that'll be the end of the first arc.

Complete aside.

When Ghost Rider returns to the MCU, it has, has has to be Nic Cage.

This is not only My Hill. But The Hill I Will Die On With My Boots On. On.

Couldn't they get a good actor instead?

They did. Oscar Winner Nic Cage.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They did. Oscar Winner Nic Cage.

Having friends in 'the Academy' is not a measure of an actor's quality.
When he can emote something other than 'unengaged, aging stoner' we can talk

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Complete aside.

When Ghost Rider returns to the MCU, it has, has has to be Nic Cage.

This is not only My Hill. But The Hill I Will Die On With My Boots On. On.

I can see him maybe making a cameo when he gets reintroduced, but I can't imagine they'll actually bring him back as the main lead for the role, especially given how poorly the past Ghost Riders were received as movies.

So, I guess more accurately, The Hill You Will Not Die On But Cry On.

They'll probably bring Cage back in the same capacity as Snipes: A nod to the fans, and respect for the originator.

Voss wrote:
When he can emote something other than 'unengaged, aging stoner' we can talk

He did. When he won an Oscar. Cage is far more than the memes would have you believe.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They'll probably bring Cage back in the same capacity as Snipes: A nod to the fans, and respect for the originator.

Voss wrote:
When he can emote something other than 'unengaged, aging stoner' we can talk

He did. When he won an Oscar. Cage is far more than the memes would have you believe.

I don't know any Nicolas Cage 'memes.' I just find him a boring, wooden presence on screen. Whether he's secretly John Travolta, raiding Alcatraz or selling weapons, he's always just that guy, Nic Cage.
That's his entire range, just being himself.

No. I would much prefer they do Daniel Ketch.

Make Johnny a mentor or whatever. But all the most iconic Ghost Rider stuff comes from Danny. We all think the name Johnny Blaze but we picture Danny Ketch in our heads.

The spikes, the chain, the motorcycle with a big face plate, the penance stare, it all comes from Ketch.

 Lance845 wrote:

But all the most iconic Ghost Rider stuff comes from Danny. We all think the name Johnny Blaze but we picture Danny Ketch in our heads.

No I don't.
I think Johnny Blaze & i picture classic Ghost Rider of the 70s/80s.
Then I think of the Nic Cage movies & wish they'd better (wich likely involves Cage not have being cast...

When you say Danny Ketch? All I think is "typical 2nd rate 90s replacement character".
Riding a stupid looking bike to boot.