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Just so long as we get an actual skull head and not that dumb racing helmet version.

Yep. Blaze all the way. I have no idea who Danny Ketch is.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Yep. Blaze all the way. I have no idea who Danny Ketch is.

Some guy they pointlessly replaced Baze with in the 90's when they could've just had him switch costumes to the black leather & spikes.

But it could always get worse. My buddy has a recent Heroclix figure of Ghost Rider mounted on a flaming wooly mammoth. (??WTF??)
I don't want to know anything about whatever issue spawned that I hope to God I never see it on screen.

That would be Prehistoric Avengers.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Yep. Blaze all the way. I have no idea who Danny Ketch is.

Literally every aspect of Ghost Rider that people know of comes from Danny Ketch sans the flaming skull. Yeah, he was one of the 90s replacement characters. But he was one of the very few successful ones. The idea that the spirit of vengeance is a fallen corrupted angle? Ketch. The chains? Ketch. Penance Stare? Ketch. Hell, Johnny Blaze's motorcycle didn't even have flaming wheels until after Ketch came along.

Blaze just had the flaming skull. Rode around on his stunt cycle with his skin tight high collar circus performer costume and punched people.

Ketch revamped the character in a way that every aspect of him has stuck around and stood the test of time. Even the Nic Cage movies are just Ketch with Johnny's origin story.

No love for Ghost Rider 2099?.......

ah well probably for the best

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
No love for Ghost Rider 2099?.......

ah well probably for the best

I have love for the entire 2099 series of comics (especially 'Doom 2099')...

Doom 2099 was excellent (but then how could Doom be anything less..... not counting the movies)

I started watching Ms. Marvel, and the first two episodes are excellent.

However, most of the MCU series have an excellent first couple episodes to set up the series, but then peter out before the end.

Let's see if this one follows the same trend line.

 Easy E wrote:
I started watching Ms. Marvel, and the first two episodes are excellent.

However, most of the MCU series have an excellent first couple episodes to set up the series, but then peter out before the end.

Let's see if this one follows the same trend line.

It does. The bad guys are the weakest part of the series.

Ms Marvel has a bunch of really great characters but not much of a story to tell with them unfortunately.

I feel like if the final episode had been the third episode and the Clan Destine stuff was saved for a second arc or even a second season it would have felt a lot better.

 LunarSol wrote:
I feel like if the final episode had been the third episode and the Clan Destine stuff was saved for a second arc or even a second season it would have felt a lot better.

Yup, that would have helped the show immensely. 6 episodes wasn't enough to cram in the DODC and the clan destine, but it might have been enough for just one of them.

I would have left out the Clan Destine stuff entirely. It’s not a thing that’s ever entered the comics for her. I’d have kept it entirely in the US and just done the DODC.

The weird thing is that so much of the show is about reinventing a new convoluted explanation for her powers before tossing it into the carte blanc excuse bucket in the post credit scene. It makes the Destine stuff feel extra pointless in hindsight.

Really enjoying episode 3 of She-Hulk.

Hey the show was actually funny this time around. Good job legal comedy. You managed to do legal. And comedy! Top marks for improvement.

I liked the episode, but the post credits scene was just dumb.

 AduroT wrote:
I liked the episode, but the post credits scene was just dumb.

This is my opinion as well. First let down on the post credit. Consistently fun show at it's core.

Whaaaaat, you guys don't like twerking? That's definitely something that won't have problems aging well in the long term, what are you talking about?

/s

I get the CGI cost issue of having Abomination being in monster mode the whole time, but it does seem very odd to me that Abomination can also just switch at all with no repurcussions. Wasn’t that the whole point of his character? That while the Hulk - who is seen as a monster - can change back to Banner at any time, symbolising he still has his humanity, Blonsky can’t change back because he threw away his humanity in his blind pursuit of power after getting just a taste of it and that's part of his bitterness towards Hulk. I think it's just annoying that Marvel keeps using off-screen time skips as a way to bypass character development, since they already did it with Hulk and now they did it to Blonsky too.

But much like all helmets have to be nano-machines that fold away so actors can deliver dialogue, so to must big creatures be able to shrink back down to human form to safe money in the budget.

Just wait 'til The Thing shows up in a couple of years.

I hate the vanishing nano masks so much…

 Grimskul wrote:
Whaaaaat, you guys don't like twerking? That's definitely something that won't have problems aging well in the long term, what are you talking about?

/s

I get the CGI cost issue of having Abomination being in monster mode the whole time, but it does seem very odd to me that Abomination can also just switch at all with no repurcussions. Wasn’t that the whole point of his character? That while the Hulk - who is seen as a monster - can change back to Banner at any time, symbolising he still has his humanity, Blonsky can’t change back because he threw away his humanity in his blind pursuit of power after getting just a taste of it and that's part of his bitterness towards Hulk. I think it's just annoying that Marvel keeps using off-screen time skips as a way to bypass character development, since they already did it with Hulk and now they did it to Blonsky too.

The Blonski thing is a mirror of Jenn in showing that the problem is with Bruce, not the Hulk. BRUCE has no control. Everyone else does. Because Bruce has never confronted any of his underlying issues. Blonski doesn't have a "other guy" just like Jenn doesn't have an "other guy" and they are both in control of their transformations because they are in control of themselves. This is all sign posting for Bruce's DID becoming a bigger story point.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Whaaaaat, you guys don't like twerking? That's definitely something that won't have problems aging well in the long term, what are you talking about?

/s

I get the CGI cost issue of having Abomination being in monster mode the whole time, but it does seem very odd to me that Abomination can also just switch at all with no repurcussions. Wasn’t that the whole point of his character? That while the Hulk - who is seen as a monster - can change back to Banner at any time, symbolising he still has his humanity, Blonsky can’t change back because he threw away his humanity in his blind pursuit of power after getting just a taste of it and that's part of his bitterness towards Hulk. I think it's just annoying that Marvel keeps using off-screen time skips as a way to bypass character development, since they already did it with Hulk and now they did it to Blonsky too.

The Blonski thing is a mirror of Jenn in showing that the problem is with Bruce, not the Hulk. BRUCE has no control. Everyone else does. Because Bruce has never confronted any of his underlying issues. Blonski doesn't have a "other guy" just like Jenn doesn't have an "other guy" and they are both in control of their transformations because they are in control of themselves. This is all sign posting for Bruce's DID becoming a bigger story point.

I mean this would be more meaningful if they didn't go the route of Professor Hulk of literally telling instead of showing, with the time skip just having Bruce magically fuse both sides that apparently he could have done earlier but just didn't, which is a terrible way of handling the conflict in the Bruce-Hulk struggle for control cliffhanger we were left with in Infinity War. This story point SHOULD have been addressed in Endgame but was haphazardly rushed out because the Russo brothers didn't know what they wanted to do with Hulk and worfed him.

Now after Endgame, we basically only have wacky Bruce wearing Hulk's skinsuit who is being upstaged by someone who just got their Hulk powers and now Blonski for some reason. Of all the characters that the MCU has bungled the most, it's arguably the Hulk and the transition to Mark Ruffalo from Edward Norton (as you can tell from how Betty Ross apparently no longer exists and how they tried shoehorning Black Widow as his love interest instead).

 Grimskul wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Whaaaaat, you guys don't like twerking? That's definitely something that won't have problems aging well in the long term, what are you talking about?

/s

I get the CGI cost issue of having Abomination being in monster mode the whole time, but it does seem very odd to me that Abomination can also just switch at all with no repurcussions. Wasn’t that the whole point of his character? That while the Hulk - who is seen as a monster - can change back to Banner at any time, symbolising he still has his humanity, Blonsky can’t change back because he threw away his humanity in his blind pursuit of power after getting just a taste of it and that's part of his bitterness towards Hulk. I think it's just annoying that Marvel keeps using off-screen time skips as a way to bypass character development, since they already did it with Hulk and now they did it to Blonsky too.

The Blonski thing is a mirror of Jenn in showing that the problem is with Bruce, not the Hulk. BRUCE has no control. Everyone else does. Because Bruce has never confronted any of his underlying issues. Blonski doesn't have a "other guy" just like Jenn doesn't have an "other guy" and they are both in control of their transformations because they are in control of themselves. This is all sign posting for Bruce's DID becoming a bigger story point.

I mean this would be more meaningful if they didn't go the route of Professor Hulk of literally telling instead of showing, with the time skip just having Bruce magically fuse both sides that apparently he could have done earlier but just didn't, which is a terrible way of handling the conflict in the Bruce-Hulk struggle for control cliffhanger we were left with in Infinity War. This story point SHOULD have been addressed in Endgame but was haphazardly rushed out because the Russo brothers didn't know what they wanted to do with Hulk and worfed him.

Would a training montage of Bruce/Hulk in therapy really have been interesting enough to justify filming?
And if they hadn't advanced him any between IW & EG? You'd just complain anyways.
But hey, if enough of you really want to see that bit of Hulks story? Pitch it to D+. Maybe they can spin a flashback series out of the idea.....

 Grimskul wrote:
Now after Endgame, we basically only have wacky Bruce wearing Hulk's skinsuit who is being upstaged by someone who just got their Hulk powers and now Blonski for some reason.

Jen did point out to Bruce that she doesn't have his problems.
Blonski having learned to control his change - again, is showing him sitting in prison for 10+ years & having nothing better to do than eat/sleep/poop/read a book & figure this out interesting enough to spend the resources filming it? NO. Or at least not in the context of this show.

 Grimskul wrote:
Of all the characters that the MCU has bungled the most, it's arguably the Hulk and the transition to Mark Ruffalo from Edward Norton (as you can tell from how Betty Ross apparently no longer exists and how they tried shoehorning Black Widow as his love interest instead).

Ok, so many years after his 1st rampage as the Hulk & then disappearing off the grid (where Avengers catches up with him) his ex isn't in the picture. Hasn't been in a long time. And he doesn't ever mention her while he's fighting off aliens, robots, mad gods, etc.
So what?

Somewhat related question: If you all don't like the show, why do you keep watching it?

 AduroT wrote:
I hate the vanishing nano masks so much…

I genuinely wonder if it’s a Union thing. I mean, Cap has never had a Nano Mask type thing, but then his mask isn’t full head or full face, and so we can still see it’s Chris Evans performing. Perhaps something along the lines of if it’s not a full CGI scene (such as fisticuffs), the actor’s face should be visible.

This is all speculating, and I’m not passing judgement either way.

Nobody wants to pay top dollar for voice actors.

Three episodes in, ready to pass summary judgement on the whole series now.

-Effects still look bad. She-Hulk doesn't look like she's in any scene she's in whenever there are other human beings in the frame. This was a problem many people predicted and I think they should have thought of a non-CGI solution if this was really the best they could pull off.
-I also don't personally like they look they have for She-Hulk. There's a lot of variation to her design in the comics and this could have gone a lot of ways, it seems they've settled on 'regular supermodel build but very tall' and I don't know if they keep touching it up or what, but once you start noticing the disproportionately skinny wrists and stuff we slide backwards into the uncanny valley. I personally prefer a more muscular She-Hulk.
-Speaking of, and this was especially noticable in the last episode, it seems like we're getting less She-Hulk as time goes on:

-I'm glad that we're breaking the fourth wall - that's a staple of the comics and that made She-Hulk fun to read.
-Revisiting past marvel villains and stuff in the courtroom setting is very fun, hopefully that aside in the car is a promise that they won't all be cameos though.
-Speaking of, Abomination was a good choice here, since he does have a legit case limiting his own active culpability, but the stuff about his rehabilitation felt hacky - I'd say the writers were trying to make fun of the idea of criminal rehabilitation but it almost feels like these were filler jokes they couldn't spice up.
-The jokes about sexism fell flat for me. The comedically misogynistic co-worker sucked the fun out of every scene he was in and I was so glad he was gone, only for him to show up again in episode 3 anyway. I'm surprised they handle it so sloppily after episode 1 handled it so well with the guy asking Jen if she was all right only for him and his friends to turn scary hostile when she told him to leave her alone.

The Verdict: Could be better. Should be better, given the source material.
The Sentence: All that said, I'll probably keep watching, I'm invested enough in She-Hulk herself that I want to see how things pan out, and the core idea of examining superhero stuff through a legal lens (or at least a 'tv law' lens) is fun.

She wasn't She-Hulk in the prison because the guard outside explained she wasn't allowed to be. Which is...moderately sensible, even though, yeah, its probably budget.

Speaking of, Abomination was a good choice here, since he does have a legit case limiting his own active culpability, but the stuff about his rehabilitation felt hacky - I'd say the writers were trying to make fun of the idea of criminal rehabilitation but it almost feels like these were filler jokes they couldn't spice up.

Yeah, they handled the whole thing with an uneven hand.

I figured the seven soulmates was a meta reference, but then they showed up. And he seemed incredibly insincere, but apparently wasn't. It all just sort of happened, but the way they handled it sucked all the stakes out.

The premise for a lot of this (including the Abomination, and superhero culpability in general) is really interesting, but I don't know that they're going to let the series settle in and actually explore it.

I’d assumed the seven pen pals were the Thunderbolts.