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Ms Marvel was a bunch of great characters (like seriously great characters in that family) in search of a story to be told with them. Instead we got the story of Clan Destine, and not even a well told one. We don’t even get the story of the Department Of Damage Control. When did they get so important? They were just the clean up crew. Why are they now policing Enhanced with arsenals of high tech weaponry?

 AduroT wrote:
Ms Marvel was a bunch of great characters (like seriously great characters in that family) in search of a story to be told with them. Instead we got the story of Clan Destine, and not even a well told one. We don’t even get the story of the Department Of Damage Control. When did they get so important? They were just the clean up crew. Why are they now policing Enhanced with arsenals of high tech weaponry?

I loved everyone in Kamala's American family except Kamala. And it's not that I disliked her, but they didn't make her as endearing as everyone else. It felt like the whole Clan Destine plot was added not to explain how Kamala got her powers as much as to give an excuse to go to Pakistan and showcase Pakistan history, which would have been fine if the Clan Destine stuff was actually well executed. DoDC devolved into the equivalent of incompetent mustache twirling villains, which was especially annoying because the main DoDC guy told the woman agent to not be a jerk... and she was a massive jerk. Ever since they blew up SHIELD (which was interesting, but shortsighted) the MCU has been struggling with a quasi-state of deep-SHIELD exists/does not exist. (Schrödinger's SHIELD). DoDC was just the superhuman cleanup crew, but now it's been elevated to be a SHIELD replacement and it just doesn't work. Why hasn't DoDC talked to She Hulk yet? Why hasn't deep-SHIELD talked to She Hulk yet?

Well, She-Hulk hasn't caused any damage and her identity is public knowledge. If she does anything illegal or causes any wide spread destruction they know where to find her.

Kamala appeared out of no where as an unknown in a instance that caused damage and almost hurt people. DoDC had reason to find out who that was and what kind of damage they were capable of instead of waiting for the destruction to happen first and then go looking for somebody they couldn't identify.


I think it's also important to note that this is all a precursor to and leading towards the Anti Mutant stuff. A power dampening collar on Abomination? Yup. That tech won't be misused on innocents or children at all.

DoDC having agents who get zealous and go rogue hunting teenagers? Yeah. No foreshadowing there.

 Lance845 wrote:

Ms Marvel is unique in that it didn't seem to have a central through line. A steady conflict that built throughout the show to be resolved. It just kept leaping from problem to problem after discarding the last one.

Perhaps because that is a characteristic or trope of the genre it was trying to ape? The teen coming-of-age comedy often does the same thing.

I suspect they just spent a lot of time in preproduction deciding how to replace the Inhuman thing and didn't have a great way to organically fit it into the DoDC story they were working from. Lots of things make for underwhelming experiences but perfectly solid wiki articles. Feels like kind of the reverse of that.

I don’t even know why they bothered with the magic bracelet from another dimension if they were going to drop the M word at the end as an additional explanation for her powers.

 AduroT wrote:
I don’t even know why they bothered with the magic bracelet from another dimension if they were going to drop the M word at the end as an additional explanation for her powers.

'Ms. Marvel’s Creators Originally Wanted Her To Be A (REDACTED) In The Comics Too – Exclusive' – Empire

Remember when Marvel and FOX were fighting over the X-Men and Marvel canceled the Fantastic Four out of spite and forbid any new X-Men characters? That is around the time that Kamala Khan was introduced and why she's not a mutant in the comics. The 'magic bracelet' was just a red herring so as not to spoil the 'mutant' reveal at the end of the season.

Which would be great if the backstory of that red herring didn’t dominate the entire season.

It's not a red herring though. It's a specific combination of the two and what makes her a hero and not something just anyone can be with the right jewellery.

While everyone else is watching Ms. Marvel and She Hulk I'm all the way back here finishing The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.

Really struggled to get into this one, not because it's bad, it's actually pretty good (Although I don't think the Flag Smashers ever make much sense) but it's so tied into The Blip and I will never let go of my hatred for that particular plot point.

"God ,everybody loves Wong.It's like giving the show Twitter armor for a week.'' - so true

 Shadow Walker wrote:
"God ,everybody loves Wong.It's like giving the show Twitter armor for a week.'' - so true

Agreed. My favorite part of the show so far.

I do love that they predicted how everyone would act so well that they just filled the show to make jokes of it.

BTW, I found out that all the little blurbs with people saying little 1 liners and the twitter messages.... Those are just real messages the show has been receiving since it was announced. They just fixed the spelling and put it in the show.

Do they explain why Wong and Abomination are "fight club friends"?

 Easy E wrote:
Do they explain why Wong and Abomination are "fight club friends"?

If I remember from the previous episode correctly, they only said that Wong, as a Sorcerer Supreme, needed a strong opponent.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Do they explain why Wong and Abomination are "fight club friends"?

If I remember from the previous episode correctly, they only said that Wong, as a Sorcerer Supreme, needed a strong opponent.

Which is a pretty lazy and contrived excuse for him to be involved in the story. As much as I like Wong, I don't think the Ancient One or Doctor Strange needed to break someone out of prison for the bizarre reason of needing to show off that they're qualified. It would be like if the head of the FBI had to covertly break out a criminal/terrorist out of a Supermax prison to an underground cage fight prove he was the best FBI agent there is lol.

He wasn't doing it to show his qualification. He was doing it because he's the Sorcerer Supreme, who also enjoys participating in illegal underground fight clubs and wanted a strong opponent to test himself/hype the crowd with. Wong did not break Blonsky out for good reasons, he just wanted a good fight. He's a good enough person to ensure no one else pays for his transgressions, but when the panel comments on the laws broken he's pretty quick to peace out because he doesn't really care.

 LunarSol wrote:
He wasn't doing it to show his qualification. He was doing it because he's the Sorcerer Supreme, who also enjoys participating in illegal underground fight clubs and wanted a strong opponent to test himself/hype the crowd with. Wong did not break Blonsky out for good reasons, he just wanted a good fight. He's a good enough person to ensure no one else pays for his transgressions, but when the panel comments on the laws broken he's pretty quick to peace out because he doesn't really care.

I mean, isn't that even worse? That just shows how, despite the immense responsibility of the Sorcerer Supreme to protect earth from spiritual/magic threats, he goofs off by going to random countries and willy nilly breaking the laws and do whatever he wants because he feels like it. It's not even for the greater good of protecting against a greater threat and it goes against what we've seen about Wong being a funny, but respectable character. Given that Strange can conjure up various creatures from portals, you don't think Wong could do that to fight them instead for practice and in a more controlled environment? Especially since Abomination is supposed to be an almost Hulk level threat, which is pretty dangerous if he screwed up and let him loose, which is a pretty high margin for error and something that I feel seems OOC for him. He can go into fight clubs if he wants but it definitely shouldn't be involving kidnapping villains because he may as well head to Sakaar for better fights then.

Wong has never been particularly law abiding. He cares about the responsibilities of the fabric of the universe, but everything else is a little beneath him and he's rather flippant towards authority. He wanted to fight a Hulk, he felt like he could handle a Hulk so he nabbed an otherwise idle Hulk to fight. He feels responsible for his actions in so much that he ensures no one is harmed by his actions, but he doesn't really care about the legality of it.

Is it weird that Madisynn is my fav character on the show?

 LunarSol wrote:
Wong has never been particularly law abiding. He cares about the responsibilities of the fabric of the universe, but everything else is a little beneath him and he's rather flippant towards authority. He wanted to fight a Hulk, he felt like he could handle a Hulk so he nabbed an otherwise idle Hulk to fight. He feels responsible for his actions in so much that he ensures no one is harmed by his actions, but he doesn't really care about the legality of it.

You actually raise a better question here. He's actually on speaking terms with Hulk, why didn't he just ask Bruce for a sparring session or even the cage fight as a favour instead, considering that Hulk is stronger/more recognizable than Abomination AND it wouldn't involve having to prison break and then return the guy back there.

I'd have to check the details but the timeline might not line up with Bruce's arm being healed and him taking a ship off world again.

Nope, Bruce’s arm is still in a sling at the end of Shang Chi.

 Grimskul wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Wong has never been particularly law abiding. He cares about the responsibilities of the fabric of the universe, but everything else is a little beneath him and he's rather flippant towards authority. He wanted to fight a Hulk, he felt like he could handle a Hulk so he nabbed an otherwise idle Hulk to fight. He feels responsible for his actions in so much that he ensures no one is harmed by his actions, but he doesn't really care about the legality of it.

You actually raise a better question here. He's actually on speaking terms with Hulk, why didn't he just ask Bruce for a sparring session or even the cage fight as a favour instead, considering that Hulk is stronger/more recognizable than Abomination AND it wouldn't involve having to prison break and then return the guy back there.

Hulk is now known to be rational. Public perception of Abomination remained that of an unchained beast.

Plus, Blonsky has decades of military training and experience. Banner/Hulk. Not so much. So I argue Abomination was the more impressive foe.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Wong has never been particularly law abiding. He cares about the responsibilities of the fabric of the universe, but everything else is a little beneath him and he's rather flippant towards authority. He wanted to fight a Hulk, he felt like he could handle a Hulk so he nabbed an otherwise idle Hulk to fight. He feels responsible for his actions in so much that he ensures no one is harmed by his actions, but he doesn't really care about the legality of it.

You actually raise a better question here. He's actually on speaking terms with Hulk, why didn't he just ask Bruce for a sparring session or even the cage fight as a favour instead, considering that Hulk is stronger/more recognizable than Abomination AND it wouldn't involve having to prison break and then return the guy back there.

Hulk is now known to be rational. Public perception of Abomination remained that of an unchained beast.

Plus, Blonsky has decades of military training and experience. Banner/Hulk. Not so much. So I argue Abomination was the more impressive foe.

Hulk, even with his rebranding as "smart/grey hulk" definitely has more brand recognition in ability from his status as an Avenger and being hunted on the run prior to that for 10 years. Abomination basically only showed up one night in Harlem and wrecked things up. Sure he killed a few people, but if we follow the MCU timeline he's basically been doing nothing for over a decade. And this guy straight up lost in a 1v1 versus Hulk, so I don't know how he's a more impressive guy to beat, especially when he's definitely out of practice being in prison this whole time.

Maybe Wong did ask Bruce off screen and he turned him down?

Very weak episode. Mr. Perfect bailing at the end was expected, and I get this show isn't made for me, but I could have done without one-night stand that just gets blown off. It wasn't jokey, it wasn't emotional, it just kind of happens and gets memory-holed.

It wasn't meant to be 'jokey.'

It was emotional, but not in a relationship way, its a staple social commentary for genre (and also She-Hulk the comic book character), about the difficulties of professional women in the dating arena. And also strong women.

Its a bit of a trope & cliché, but it would be a really glaring omission if they left it out. Its also an important part of Jen accepting her current status and her character arc.
Now, you could certainly argue that its heavy handed and obvious, but it'd be an utter failure for the show if they just skipped this aspect.

I still don't know who this show is for.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still don't know who this show is for.

Fans of Ally McBeal and superheroes. And meta-jokes.
Its suits the character, but not, perhaps, the general MCU audience.

It strikes me as another push into 'superheroes + <genre>,' which the MCU has done a lot (superheroes +spiess, superheroes+heist, etc). Its an experiment I suspect they'll be willing to quietly drop it if it doesn't go well (much like I suspect Ms Marvel will be a Captain Marvel sidekick or part of ensemble in the future, but I have doubts we'll see another season of a primary show).