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I'm no AllyMcBeal fan, but I gotta agree with HBMC where I really struggle to see how it's strong on the latter two fronts. Not enough quality action scenes that emphasize the "super" part of being a superhero (so far all she's done is one-up people like the Hulk, or basically completely overpower whoever she's fighting within minutes, like Titania or the Wrecking Crew, who are effectively non-threats and boring to watch) or development on She-Hulk to really get invested in terms of her character, where right now she's basically always right and can do no wrong. There's also no real sense of tension because there's no overarching, or engaging villain that has been introduced yet for her to contend with (I guess dumb bossy males are what that's being counted as that right now? Oh joy) so we don't have that. And then the metajokes are...just kinda there? Unlike Deadpool where I feel there were interspersed in a way that flowed well with the overall story, I feel that hers just kinda is slotted in because it has to be. It isn't even good in terms of being a quasi legal courthouse drama, especially in the wake of the masterpiece that is Better Call Saul, where Kim Wexler is the real strong, independent female character and everything that Jen wishes she could be.
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Grimskul wrote: I'm no AllyMcBeal fan, but I gotta agree with HBMC where I really struggle to see how it's strong on the latter two fronts. Not enough quality action scenes that emphasize the "super" part of being a superhero (so far all she's done is one-up people like the Hulk, or basically completely overpower whoever she's fighting within minutes, like Titania or the Wrecking Crew, who are effectively non-threats and boring to watch) or development on She-Hulk to really get invested in terms of her character, where right now she's basically always right and can do no wrong. There's also no real sense of tension because there's no overarching, or engaging villain that has been introduced yet for her to contend with (I guess dumb bossy males are what that's being counted as that right now? Oh joy) so we don't have that. And then the metajokes are...just kinda there? Unlike Deadpool where I feel there were interspersed in a way that flowed well with the overall story, I feel that hers just kinda is slotted in because it has to be. It isn't even good in terms of being a quasi legal courthouse drama, especially in the wake of the masterpiece that is Better Call Saul, where Kim Wexler is the real strong, independent female character and everything that Jen wishes she could be.
As Jen has insisted?
She’s Not A Super Hero. She’s a lawyer who happens to also be a Hulk. She’s not moving to be a hero so far as we’ve seen, but focussing on being Attorney At Law.
It’s kind of a pastiche. A potential Super Hero just….living a normal life, dealing with mundane things, like work and love life. That’s the joke. That’s the nature of the show.
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Voss wrote: Fans of Ally McBeal and superheroes. And meta-jokes.
I like all three of those.
This show isn't hitting those notes.
You'll learn pretty quick that this show is without fault, no matter how many faults you find. It is like Jen: Special, perfect, and unbeatable simply by virtue of showing up.
Grimskul wrote: I'm no AllyMcBeal fan, but I gotta agree with HBMC where I really struggle to see how it's strong on the latter two fronts. Not enough quality action scenes that emphasize the "super" part of being a superhero (so far all she's done is one-up people like the Hulk, or basically completely overpower whoever she's fighting within minutes, like Titania or the Wrecking Crew, who are effectively non-threats and boring to watch) or development on She-Hulk to really get invested in terms of her character, where right now she's basically always right and can do no wrong. There's also no real sense of tension because there's no overarching, or engaging villain that has been introduced yet for her to contend with (I guess dumb bossy males are what that's being counted as that right now? Oh joy) so we don't have that. And then the metajokes are...just kinda there? Unlike Deadpool where I feel there were interspersed in a way that flowed well with the overall story, I feel that hers just kinda is slotted in because it has to be. It isn't even good in terms of being a quasi legal courthouse drama, especially in the wake of the masterpiece that is Better Call Saul, where Kim Wexler is the real strong, independent female character and everything that Jen wishes she could be.
As Jen has insisted?
She’s Not A Super Hero. She’s a lawyer who happens to also be a Hulk. She’s not moving to be a hero so far as we’ve seen, but focussing on being Attorney At Law.
It’s kind of a pastiche. A potential Super Hero just….living a normal life, dealing with mundane things, like work and love life. That’s the joke. That’s the nature of the show.
That was my problem with this last episode. Why did Wong call her in for help fighting the demons? Like repeatedly making a specific effort to get Her. She’s not a hero, she doesn’t have fighting experience, definitely not experience with other worldly stuff like that. He should have been calling Strange or any of the veritable army of sorcerers under him trained to deal with exactly that sort of situation. Then call Jen when it was done for the legal stuff.
Grimskul wrote: I'm no AllyMcBeal fan, but I gotta agree with HBMC where I really struggle to see how it's strong on the latter two fronts. Not enough quality action scenes that emphasize the "super" part of being a superhero (so far all she's done is one-up people like the Hulk, or basically completely overpower whoever she's fighting within minutes, like Titania or the Wrecking Crew, who are effectively non-threats and boring to watch) or development on She-Hulk to really get invested in terms of her character, where right now she's basically always right and can do no wrong. There's also no real sense of tension because there's no overarching, or engaging villain that has been introduced yet for her to contend with (I guess dumb bossy males are what that's being counted as that right now? Oh joy) so we don't have that. And then the metajokes are...just kinda there? Unlike Deadpool where I feel there were interspersed in a way that flowed well with the overall story, I feel that hers just kinda is slotted in because it has to be. It isn't even good in terms of being a quasi legal courthouse drama, especially in the wake of the masterpiece that is Better Call Saul, where Kim Wexler is the real strong, independent female character and everything that Jen wishes she could be.
As Jen has insisted?
She’s Not A Super Hero. She’s a lawyer who happens to also be a Hulk. She’s not moving to be a hero so far as we’ve seen, but focussing on being Attorney At Law.
It’s kind of a pastiche. A potential Super Hero just….living a normal life, dealing with mundane things, like work and love life. That’s the joke. That’s the nature of the show.
That was my problem with this last episode. Why did Wong call her in for help fighting the demons? Like repeatedly making a specific effort to get Her. She’s not a hero, she doesn’t have fighting experience, definitely not experience with other worldly stuff like that. He should have been calling Strange or any of the veritable army of sorcerers under him trained to deal with exactly that sort of situation. Then call Jen when it was done for the legal stuff.
Because she wasn't just there for the fight. She was there to help move his case forward and stop this crap from happening again.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Voss wrote: Fans of Ally McBeal and superheroes. And meta-jokes.
I like all three of those.
This show isn't hitting those notes.
Ok... I don't really agree. I think its somewhat plodding because its trying to hit those notes so hard and precisely, and not enough time just breathing and doing its own thing.
But a lot of that is the D+ format. One of my biggest issues with the D+ shows so far seem to feel they have to 'speedrun' to a goal (which turns out to be not all that interesting), and forget the show itself should be the interesting bit.
You'll learn pretty quick that this show is without fault, no matter how many faults you find. It is like Jen: Special, perfect, and unbeatable simply by virtue of showing up.
This is an amazingly terrible take, given how much time the show devotes to her flaws and insecurities, and how much criticism the show is getting.
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This was my favorite episode by a long shot. One of the best of the whole Marvel TV line, personally. Far more in line with what I was hoping from the show compared to the previous setup material. Actually felt like it took advantage of the short form storytelling rather than being a chunk of a movie edited for television.
I agree that it feels a bit like a speedrun through the various tropes of the “single female lawyer” show. The result is that Jen feels like the weakest-developed character, and most of the fun comes from everyone else around her. I’d love to see more of her slice-of-life stuff that didn’t focus on scummy coworkers or bad dates, because those feel
Like the most cookie cutter aspects of the show. Her interactions with her assistant, with Wong, with the media, and in the courtroom have all been great. The action scenes…less is more.
I've enjoyed it so far. Not my favorite thing ever by any stretch but is an amusing little romp. I think keeping it brisk at roughly 30 minute episodes is good as trying to do a bunch of one hour episodes would make it tiring really quickly.
Would anyone else watch an episode of Wong and Madisynn just hanging out in Kamar-Tarj?
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Another mostly harmless week of hi-jinx, although slightly worried I can't remember stuff from last week but I knew which Soprano's episode Wong was watching even before Maddy spoiled it
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Automatically Appended Next Post: Slightly misunderstood what this was, thought it was a new D+ show, but is actually a series of YouTube shorts to promote the new game. I'll leave it up though, as I guess it's technically still a new show?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Nico? Took me a minute to even remember who she was, from the Runaways show (and, presumably, the comic). Seems an odd get compared to the rest of the bigger name characters on display.
Very brief callback to Thor Love and Thunder, now that its on D+
Utterly wretched. Probably one of the worst movies I've seen this century, down there with Twilight and 300. Doesn't it make the heady heights of the first Suicide Squad. Just an utter jumble of confused tone, dog crap, bad jokes and incoherent cosmology. Don't know how the actors made it through the takes.
I still regard Winter Soldier as one of the very best MCU outings to date, and I'm getting similar vibes from this.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Thunderbolts lineup, spoilered for size (or if you really don't want to know who's in it for some reason.)
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Thunderbolts lineup, spoilered for size (or if you really don't want to know who's in it for some reason.)
Spoiler:
Surprised to see Bucky on the Team, given that he doesn't seem to be looking for a team to join so it'll be interesting to see what context is involved for him to be recruited.
The real question is what kind of antagonist they're going to be set up to face. Ideally they learn from DC's failings with Suicide Squad and have something less world ending they need to focus on.
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I’m not immediately recognizing the one on the far left, who is that?
Secret Invasion does look suitably “Winter Soldier”ish indeed. Some great tid bits shown there. Werewolf looks super B Movie shlocky, I’m digging it. The glimpse of Man Thing is pretty cool as well.
That's the JLD character, Madame Consuela Von Bananahammock or whatever she's called.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
