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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 AngryAngel80 wrote:
If it wasn't for the pricing, their sales would rocket even higher, especially after this virus stuff. It's the price that shuts down many dreams to play before they can even grow. I know, as I've talked to many could have been players and price is invariably the hurdle too high to get over.


Most people have a range of dollars they'll spend on some sort of schedule. Say that person will still spend $100 and pretend it costs GW $10 to make a kit that they sell for $50. They can buy two of those. Then GW drops the price to $33, so they buy 3 of them. GW got zero additional revenue, but paid $30 in costs instead of $20. Some people may not even spend on the third kit - they may just be happy to buy two and save money.

Then consider than an FLGS gets 50% meaning GW gets $16 and pays $10. The majority of their sales are Trade. Such price drops affect trade account margins as well and you may well see the 15% discounts diminish as a consequence.

The end result is GW makes no additional revenue by dropping prices. There's a breakpoint where they do lose money by increasing prices, but they're not there yet, I think.

There are a fair number of avenues to get into the hobby without a massive outlay. Not everyone has to have everything right now. I know I didn't when I started.





sure, but then you have to also take into account the people that chose to not even spend their 100$ with GW at all because of their pricing.
Why would i pay 55$ for a box of Howling banshees when i can get the equivalent of 4 boxes for the same price?
Why would i pay 120$ for 5 Contekar Terminators when i can get 3 kits for the same price?

Just with these two boxes, instead of GW making 175$ from me, they made 0$. Multiply that by all the people that do the same or don't even start the hobby and you could see how much money is lost.

But to be fair, i'm sure GW has ran the numbers and knows what the optimal pricing of everything is, its just that as a customer, i just can't make myself spend the prices that they ask.



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Karol wrote:
drbored 796396 11064314 wrote:

You're looking at it from a gaming/meta standpoint.

I'm talking about a model-release standpoint.



What perspective am I to have, this is a game?



The perspective theyre using is quite obviously stated.... No matter what you do or what happened to you, you can't say that marines havn't had more release than any other faction since you started playing.


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Karol wrote:


People were defending eradicators as being balanced by pointing out that attack bikes and melta devs were almost as good LMAO.

not much different then marine players being told that not every eldar player plays Alaitoc or maxed out reapers, or a dron form for tau. If reapers shoting twice were balanced, and required you to learn to play the game better, then aggressors shoting twice are just as balanced. Otherwise we are having a double standard. And if we are to have one, then I at least would rather have an army closer to my be the one with good rules.




Thats two different things. One is saying a unit that overperforms every other similar unit in every other army is "balanced" because theyres an even stronger option. The other one was saying that only a single subfaction/list was OP for the whole army and that wasn't fun. Marines as they are can pretty much run whatever list they want and do good in a casual setting. Eldar players pretty much needed to be running Reapers at the start of 8th, then Shining spears, then Alaitoc flyers as the previous builds got nerfed.

An eradicator/melta bike is good in every chapter, dark reapers were only OP when double shooting with ynnari, flyers were only OP when they became unhittable with Alaitoc.

And no, Reapers shooting twice was never balanced (Ynnari 1.0 was never balanced as a whole). Its not double standards, you're just remembering things so that you keep feeding your eldar hate. There was plenty of complaints about them in 8th. The comments you probably misunderstood for being apologists were probably just people genuinely giving people tricks as to how to beat these lists since considering they still existed. Once Ynnari got destroyed, pretty much only you kept crying about them being OP.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
Drazar and incubi are new models. I got 20 incubi the day they came out. Id love some new stuff too but DE models are all actually pretty good.

It's sad - we wont get anything new other than a trash lilith...really what direction should they go with DE though? I think the focus on eldar is going to be ynnari at this point.



HAHAHA, you're serious? Drazar and Incubi are "remastered" models. They bring nothing new to the army. The models we have are good, we just need new options (or to get back lost ones like bloodbrides and trueborns + HQs).

There is plenty of direction they can go with DE , just takes a little bit of love and creativity. The whole "masochistic space pirates" theme has a lot of fun gaming options to go with.

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I agree, its so boring. I have a 3500 point imperium soup list, but to me, that is done. I dont think i will ever add to it again, but they constantly add more stuff to the space marine line. I'm sorry GW, but we dont NEED more space marines, we have horus hersey for those who want the sexy marine on marine action, but we need to further incentivize players to step away from marines, or else we will just have 30k marine on marine and 40k marine on marine.

wheres the fun in that?

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:

Difference is Orks are doing ok this edition. Guard, Tau, and GSC are not at all.


GSC are hamstrung, because they bear the burden of 8th dynamics. T'au are seeing a little more traction with suits, but they won't get too far still. AM have all the tools for good lists. I think their problem is still writing lists for 8th where the first thing they do is check off 3 Tank Commanders and then build the rest.


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 JNAProductions wrote:
Wasn't that a 2018 release?

I don't think we should count models that are years old as a new release.


Nov '19


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Some have said DE existing models are good.

Really, the only models in the range I don't like are Sslyth and Grotesques.

The beasts and their master? Good looking, I'll give you that... but resin just the same, so yeah, in need of replacement, even though they look good. Ditto on the other members of the Court of the Archon and Mandrakes.

Vipod's list of stuff:

- Mobility options (Wings/Skyboards/Jetbikes) for existing HQs.
- Lieutenant HQs (Dracon, lesser Haemonculus)
- A Mandrake HQ
- A non-special character Incubi HQ
- Any of the 5 special characters that have been removed since 5th
etc.

This was bang on.

I'd maybe cut the generic HQ for Incubi and just give the Mandrake their named (Decapitator/ Kheradruakh- how cool is a four armed Mandrake!) and I'd also create a named Scourge (especially since GW has included Scourges in two boxed sets). But man I want good plastic grotesques in boxes of 3- and if I could get posable plastic Court of the Archon...

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The perspective theyre using is quite obviously stated.... No matter what you do or what happened to you, you can't say that marines havn't had more release than any other faction since you started playing.


But that makes no sense, xeno armies don't have the number of players marines do. That is like me asking that I should have the same level of scholarship that some dude gets, who is going to be in the olympics, just because we both do wrestling at a sports school. Marines have more players, and more factions, so they get more support. If other armies were more popular, or there was not most popular army , like it is the case for AoS for example, then GW wouldn't be given them the same number of models.




Thats two different things. One is saying a unit that overperforms every other similar unit in every other army is "balanced" because theyres an even stronger option. The other one was saying that only a single subfaction/list was OP for the whole army and that wasn't fun. Marines as they are can pretty much run whatever list they want and do good in a casual setting. Eldar players pretty much needed to be running Reapers at the start of 8th, then Shining spears, then Alaitoc flyers as the previous builds got nerfed.

In 8th, eldar could run more or less everything too, because their sub rules were so good, they could carry bad units. They could also make an army which was good an entire edition, which can not be said about other top armies of 8th ed, like tyranids tyrant lists, casteallan knight lists or cmd spams.
The fact that they could do that, was considered a good thing, and something that other factions would want to have too. Well, then marines just have been given that. Different type of marines can be used by different marine factions to make good and fun list. What should have happened instead , a mirror of the begining of 8th? with majority of sm factions being really weak. Hey even they are still weak comparing to the best armies, demons, harlis and custodes have better stats then most marine list. Go tell a BT or CF player that he is having it too good right now and that the units he has should be nerfed to balanced it against armies, who didn't get their 9th ed book yet. And what is suppose to happen when they do get their book, and it ends up anywhere near as oppresive as what was in 8th. Are the marines books going to be unerfed then? Because we all know that GW would not do that, until 10th ed comes.

And needing to run specific units to have a working army being strange or unique strikes me as very strange. Most if not all armies are build like that by GW, eldar in 8th at least didn't have to use non eldar units to build their list. They didn't have to start their sm army with a loyal 32.

But I get it, eldar players don't like the situation their army is in right now. But I don't understand why they want marines to get weaker, have fewer options etc without even seeing their 9th ed book. In 8th my dudes had to go though codex, index two CAs, for people to finaly agree that maybe GK aren't in the best spot in 8th. Maybe eldar players can wait that long too. Who knows maybe their book is going to be even more OP, then it the one from 8th. And if not then, there is still 10th ed.


An eradicator/melta bike is good in every chapter, dark reapers were only OP when double shooting with ynnari, flyers were only OP when they became unhittable with Alaitoc.

Have you trying playing marines without attack bikes or eradictors? specially vs the good or new armies. The match ups are neither unbalanced nor in favour of the marines most of the time. Marines shouldn't be balanced against the weakest army in an edition, because with how many players marines have this means a bad time for 3 years for a lot of people.

And no, Reapers shooting twice was never balanced (Ynnari 1.0 was never balanced as a whole). Its not double standards, you're just remembering things so that you keep feeding your eldar hate. There was plenty of complaints about them in 8th. The comments you probably misunderstood for being apologists were probably just people genuinely giving people tricks as to how to beat these lists since considering they still existed. Once Ynnari got destroyed, pretty much only you kept crying about them being OP.

Comparing to my dudes everything was OP, the difference is that I do not forget things. And Inari got destroyed at the very end of 8th ed. so eldar players had plenty of time to play with them. And then they just switched to playing flyer lists, for lore reasons I bet.




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PenitentJake wrote:
Some have said DE existing models are good.

Really, the only models in the range I don't like are Sslyth and Grotesques.


No, say it ain't so....not Missster Sslyth?!

I think that Grotesques look great, but I don't understand why they hide them in boxes labled Crypt Horrors.

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Man, there are several DE posters on here who make it very hard to want that faction to get anything out of their upcoming release.

OP, if you're losing interest at the moment, pack everything away and leave things for a couple of years. Don't sell your stuff, but take a break from the game, from WHC, from Dakka, etc.

At some point, you're likely to get the urge to come see what's going on, and to try to get a game in - odds are, Warhammer 40k will still be here when that urge does kick in. If it isn't, I'm sure some form of Oldhammer 40k will be

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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PenitentJake wrote:

I'd maybe cut the generic HQ for Incubi and just give the Mandrake their named (Decapitator/ Kheradruakh- how cool is a four armed Mandrake!) and I'd also create a named Scourge (especially since GW has included Scourges in two boxed sets).


Each to their own but I'd much rather see the available generic characters expanded first.

I know some people really like special characters, but I'd much rather have some nice ones that I can customise and personalise.

I wouldn't object to Kheradruakh making a comeback, but I'd like an actual generic Mandrake HQ - so that if I want a Mandrake-themed army, my options aren't 'Kheradruakh or GTFO'. Same for the Scourge HQ.

Of course, I realise that others have a much greater interest in special characters than I do, hence why I put them on the list (personally, Vect can stay in the void for all I care ). But my preference definitely lies in more generic characters before more special ones.


 harlokin wrote:
I think that Grotesques look great, but I don't understand why they hide them in boxes labled Crypt Horrors.




Looks like you beat me to that particular joke.

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Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

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GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
You'll be the the first I heard to say AM have any tools besides Bullgryn this edition.


I'm not going to say they'll sweep tables, but -- scions, full payload, fighty transports, bullgryns... A Chimera is now 75 with a HF & Multilaser. It can block the path to objectives and scrap in melee and gives up just one point now.
   
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W Artel groteques are decent too.

And yeah, generic HQ's are best, especially for Crusaders like me; named are frozen in time, but generics can grow.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
You'll be the the first I heard to say AM have any tools besides Bullgryn this edition.


I'm not going to say they'll sweep tables, but -- scions, full payload, fighty transports, bullgryns... A Chimera is now 75 with a HF & Multilaser. It can block the path to objectives and scrap in melee and gives up just one point now.


That is not much and from experience on this edition Scion are not that much better than regular Guard. Chimera's are still bleh as well and easily shot off.
   
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I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it. Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.
   
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dogboy311 wrote:
I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it. Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.
Can I tag along when you hop into an alternate reality where Eldar were focused on vastly more than other factions, and that caused GW to crash and burn?
Or IG?
Or Ad Mech?
Or GSC?
Or literally any other faction?

Marines get a vastly disproportionate amount of attention from GW. If another faction got that much attention, they might do just as well. Or they might not. But given what GW has done, we don't know for sure.

What we DO know is that when a reasonably priced non-Marine army gets good releases (like Sisters or Necrons) they go pretty dang fast.

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dogboy311 wrote:
I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it. Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.

As many people have said before, and more eloquently than me at that, this is a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. Maybe, just maybe, they are the most popular and revenue generating army because it seems like every second release is a SM release. Not just that it seems like half the promotion for the game is SM related too. So it's little wonder a lot of money is generated from SM sales, since it's basically all GW focuses on. I'm pretty sure that WHFB did not have 30% of people playing the Empire because both the release schedule and lore did not focus 80% of the time on the Empire. In my eyes SM being the main seller is a self fulfilling prophecy for GW because it's all they focus on.
   
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dogboy311 wrote:
I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it. Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.


sigh....

We KNOW thats why marines have more releases, that doesn't change that in order for everyone to enjoy the hobby evenly, every faction should get the same support from GW.
We KNOW that wont happen because GW wants to make money, that doesn't change the fact that we can complain about it.

Just like i KNOW world hunger will probably never be completely eradicated, i'm allowed to say that everyone should get the same amount of food in their bellies.
   
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dogboy311 wrote:
I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it.


We understand that this is a likely reasoning for their actions. We also understand that if you are expecting players to embody a variety of factions in a game, that this is a recipe for an awful game. We further understand that part of the reason people like them more is that they get more support and publicity, as recent Sisters and Necron releases and their success have shown - the chicken and egg scenario often noted.

dogboy311 wrote:
Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.


I... what? Who the hell here is saying "Remove Marines from the game?" I'm not, and I'm so sick of Marines that I'd have genuine gastrointestinal distress if I got news of another Marine release right about now.

I assume most of us just want Space Marines to be treated within an order of magnitude of other factions. Your overblown reaction is a textbook straw man you've torn into like a rabid dog with a malfunctioning spacebar.

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Let's not forget that the Sisters of Battle Squad was the best selling kit of 2019 for GW.

So in a year with 2 big Primaris release waves and all the investment that must have required, the ordinary sisters box still outsold anything in the Marine faction despite essentially being a new army with practically no established playerbase.

Anecdotal too, but at my LGS the Necron stuff has been outselling the Marine stuff (with the exception of the Codex). Oh and when the Christmas Battleforces came out, the Necron one sold out everywhere immediately more or less. But the Marine one took quite a while (comparatively) to disappear. Guess which box my LGS still has sitting on the shelf too.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:


sigh....

We KNOW thats why marines have more releases, that doesn't change that in order for everyone to enjoy the hobby evenly, every faction should get the same support from GW.
We KNOW that wont happen because GW wants to make money, that doesn't change the fact that we can complain about it.

Just like i KNOW world hunger will probably never be completely eradicated, i'm allowed to say that everyone should get the same amount of food in their bellies.


Okey you made me laugh, and I thank you for that. It was a good laugh, and I needed it. There is no should if you are not the top sellers or contender. Heck there isn't even a should if you are.

And I don't think someone like me, who needs double or triple the calories should be forced to eat as little as a regular guy. My grandfather was eating over 3000calories a day, but he was a forward miner. If he ate as much as my other grandfather who was teacher, he would die on third or fourth day of work.
Marines are like that, they sustain the entire company, and the run efficiently they need more calories. If marines sell bad GW is in trouble. If GK sells bad, no one cares, probably not even the GK players. That is why marines should have as much focus put on them as possible. Because with marines selling well, GW has enough money to experiment with other armies, or even other games. Does any one think that if GW were in the red, we would be getting new SoB or AoS ?


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 Bosskelot wrote:
Let's not forget that the Sisters of Battle Squad was the best selling kit of 2019 for GW.
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Was it speed of being sold, or % of produced vs % of those sold, or was it raw units. Because I don't think SoB, as great of a seller as they were, could come even close to the unit sells of stuff like No know fear or DI. And if they did, that this is in deed a huge achivment, and GW should definitly invest more money in to developing more stuff for the SoB line.

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All I'm hearing is GW put all their eggs in one basket, and will collapse as soon as everyone has a marine army.
   
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dogboy311 wrote:
I’ll never understand, how so many people on this site just can’t seem too grasp the fact that the reason Space marines get the most releases is because they are the biggest money maker GW has. People like them more then your faction, deal with it. Also with all the GW bashing, they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t realize how many people hate this game cause marines, ARRRRGHHH. It’s ridiculous, space marines bring more people too our hobby and game then any other faction. Witch keeps our hobby and game around. So for all the negative Nancy’s remember you’d have no game without space marines.
Once upon a time DE were not selling well, and GW wondered why they should release updated DE models when DE doesn't sell well.
Eventually they remade a bunch of stuff anyway and it sold very well.

SoB didn't sell well, and GW dragged their feet on making new SoB models because they were not selling well.
When they eventually got around to it they sold very well.

Turns out that stuff doesn't sell if you neglect it.

Space marines sell well because space marines get all the attention and because space marines get all the attention they sell well.


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Cronch wrote:
All I'm hearing is GW put all their eggs in one basket, and will collapse as soon as everyone has a marine army.
That is entirely why Primaris exist now. They were GW's answer to "how do we sell more marines when everyone already owns a marine army".

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Cronch wrote:
CSM are just NPCs to get beat up by the Good Marines, it's like expecting Cobra toys to save G.I Joe toyline.


correction, we are the saturday cartoon villain that beats up the plucky imperial sidekicks and xenos, to facilitate the heroism of the marines, especially the new all improved marines +1.
R&H are there to make the other Imperial factions win against something.

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 Ordana wrote:
SoB didn't sell well, and GW dragged their feet on making new SoB models because they were not selling well.
When they eventually got around to it they sold very well.

Turns out that stuff doesn't sell if you neglect it.
It's just their lot in life. It was always the joke that a new sisters dex heralded the end of an edition, and that new sisters models would be a sign of the end times... (or global pandemic, close enough).
   
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Cronch wrote:
All I'm hearing is GW put all their eggs in one basket, and will collapse as soon as everyone has a marine army.

Considering this will take them more then a decade all they have to do is just to reinvent the primaris. Assault heavy intercessors, intercessors getting access to las talons, multi melta and hellblasters along side a new box for the unit. More faction specific primaris, grey hunter intercessors and blood claw reavers, new raven wing outridder bikes etc. There is a practicaly endless well to get new updates for marines.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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Karol wrote:
Cronch wrote:
All I'm hearing is GW put all their eggs in one basket, and will collapse as soon as everyone has a marine army.

Considering this will take them more then a decade all they have to do is just to reinvent the primaris. Assault heavy intercessors, intercessors getting access to las talons, multi melta and hellblasters along side a new box for the unit. More faction specific primaris, grey hunter intercessors and blood claw reavers, new raven wing outridder bikes etc. There is a practicaly endless well to get new updates for marines.

So you really want that MarineHammer experience, huh?
   
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Well what other option is there to pick? Tau, eldar, ork, necron hammer? With smaller number of players, and possible more oppressing mechanics. If I would have to pick from all the armies in w40k, then a SoB or marine hammer seems to be the best option to have. And it so happens that both SoB and many versions of marines are fun to play with right now.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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Here's the thing though, there WAS a time when 40k wasn't all marines all the time. And GW was fine, and GW was expanding, and GW was producing a ton of models and games. Marines always played a big part in 40k advertising, but they used to be just another army in the game. It's GW's own fault for betting everything on marines. And you know what? As a customer, I do NOT give a single solitary damn about GW profits. Not my business to care how they will do it.
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
How about they release an codex for World Eaters or Emperor's Children with a full model line behind it to sell a completely new marine army to everyone who already has one?


One of my armies is WE, and I have very mixed feelings about potentially getting a dedicated codex. While dedicated support and presumably new rules and models would be nice, I just know that GW will make them into a one-dimensional bloodthirsty melee army. Then I'll have to lose my Havocs, my Obliterators, etc...
   
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It's weird to see GW trying to wrap all the variations on Space Marines in one book and then split off single units from other books into their own armies.
   
 
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