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Hi,
I was doing a quick melee oriented ultramarine list with several characters and I was looking at the Victrix Honour Guard unit.
These guys are 2 man units for 70 points, basicaly bladeguard veterans, with 1 extra attack, +3 invulnerable save but 1D on the swords. Can also doe heroic intervention and are bodyguards for characters against ranged attacks.
The thing is that if you bring Marneus Calgar these guys do not take up slots in that detachment.

Thus, can you spam and insane amount of these without worries? I see no rule against it, and not filling detachment slots does not prevent them from acquiring the ultramarines bonuses. Right?
It would be crazy, but I believe you can field 20 units of these on a patrol detachment, basically flooding the board with 120 +2/++3 wounds with an added apothecary.

There is still the rule of 3, where you can't take more that 3 of any datasheet. So, at most, you can take three units.

 jaredb wrote:
There is still the rule of 3, where you can't take more that 3 of any datasheet. So, at most, you can take three units.

Ow, you are right, completely forgot about that one
Thanks!

Does the rule of 3 apply on units or unitsand the equipments. for example, if I want to use 4 razorbaks, 2 with lasscanons and 2 with Heavy Bolters, I cant do it because it still counts as 4 razorbacks?

Rule of 3 doesn't apply to Troops or Dedicated Transports. In your example Razorbacks wouldn't matter, but if you had Predators for example, you could only have 3 regardless of what weapons you give them.

It applies to units with the same name excluding dedicated transports and troops

Keep in mind that you need 1 infantry unit for 1 transport. If you want to use 5 razorbacks you need 5 infantry units. You can take less razorbacks than you have infantry units, but not more. The infantry doesnt need to be able to use that transport. Its ok to take 1 unit of terminators and 1 razorback.

 p5freak wrote:
Keep in mind that you need 1 infantry unit for 1 transport. If you want to use 5 razorbacks you need 5 infantry units. You can take less razorbacks than you have infantry units, but not more. The infantry doesnt need to be able to use that transport. Its ok to take 1 unit of terminators and 1 razorback.

You can take extra dedicated transports in an Auxillary Support Detachment, but you'll be paying that 2CP "tax" for each one.

There is no longer a Transport/Infantry requirement in 9th, I thought?

Also, in b4 anyone comes in with Ro3 is JuSt a sugGesTion!!!

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
There is no longer a Transport/Infantry requirement in 9th, I thought?

Also, in b4 anyone comes in with Ro3 is JuSt a sugGesTion!!!

Have you ever read the rules ? There was no infantry requirement for transports in 8th, but there is now in 9th. In 8th the Ro3 was a suggestion, in 9th its a rule.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
There is no longer a Transport/Infantry requirement in 9th, I thought?

Also, in b4 anyone comes in with Ro3 is JuSt a sugGesTion!!!

From page 280 of the Warhammer 40,000 Core Rules:

With the exception of units with the Troops or Dedicated Transport Battlefield Roles, or units that are added to your army during the battle that cost Reinforcement points, each player can only include the same datasheet in their army three times.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
There is no longer a Transport/Infantry requirement in 9th, I thought?

Also, in b4 anyone comes in with Ro3 is JuSt a sugGesTion!!!

The infantry requirement when taking a dedicated transport is a part of 9th for pretty much every detachment, see the core rules pages 248 and onwards.

The "rule of 3" is a part of the matched play mission packs in both the core rule book (page 280) and Grand Tournament 2020 (page 4). So it's not a part of the core rules or the matched play rules, but the mission packs do add it in, so it's a rule if that's what you're playing.

 PlagueGardener wrote:
The "rule of 3" is a part of the matched play mission packs in both the core rule book (page 280) and Grand Tournament 2020 (page 4). So it's not a part of the core rules or the matched play rules,

Page 280 of the Core Rules is literally the first page of the Matched Play section of the book (pages 279-303).

 Ghaz wrote:

 PlagueGardener wrote:
The "rule of 3" is a part of the matched play mission packs in both the core rule book (page 280) and Grand Tournament 2020 (page 4). So it's not a part of the core rules or the matched play rules,

Page 280 of the Core Rules is literally the first page of the Matched Play section of the book (pages 279-303).

Face -> Palm, fair point.

But it is the "Mission Pack", which is replaced by "Grand Tournament" 2020 which will, in time, get replaced again. So that's what I was trying to say, read the mission pack that you're playing.

Didn't we have like a 7-10 page thread about how Matched play isn't the "intended way to play" and it was actually the opposite? I swear we had this major debate here before covid, where someone wanted to take 4 DPs or 4 Nid HQs, or 4 Tau commanders, and basically it ended with "You can't tell people how to play toy soldiers". I don't remember if it was still in 9th, but I concede the point. if it's strict rule in 9th, then so be it. And no, I have not read the BRB entirely, I try to leave it near the crapper and read it when I visit.

Rule Of Three is in the Mission pack you’re playing now. You could absolutely choose to play Open/Narrative and it may not apply. Most folk seem to use Matched Play so it’s seen as the default, especially on Dakka.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Rule Of Three is in the Mission pack you’re playing now. You could absolutely choose to play Open/Narrative and it may not apply. Most folk seem to use Matched Play so it’s seen as the default, especially on Dakka.

Citation needed.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Rule Of Three is in the Mission pack you’re playing now. You could absolutely choose to play Open/Narrative and it may not apply. Most folk seem to use Matched Play so it’s seen as the default, especially on Dakka.

Citation needed.

About what? The most common method of play that questions get asked about? Pretty sure that's Matched Play since the other two either have highly mutable rules by design, or barely any at all. Either way, Johnny's response still provides all the information the OP needs so I'm struggling to understand the point of your post.

Slipspace wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Rule Of Three is in the Mission pack you’re playing now. You could absolutely choose to play Open/Narrative and it may not apply. Most folk seem to use Matched Play so it’s seen as the default, especially on Dakka.

Citation needed.

About what? The most common method of play that questions get asked about? Pretty sure that's Matched Play since the other two either have highly mutable rules by design, or barely any at all. Either way, Johnny's response still provides all the information the OP needs so I'm struggling to understand the point of your post.

Indeed. “Citation needed” rarely adds anything to a discussion here, but in this case it’s downright gonzo.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I think the assertion he is contesting is that Matched play is the "Default"?

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Rule Of Three is in the Mission pack you’re playing now. You could absolutely choose to play Open/Narrative and it may not apply. Most folk seem to use Matched Play so it’s seen as the default, especially on Dakka.

Citation needed.

About what? The most common method of play that questions get asked about? Pretty sure that's Matched Play since the other two either have highly mutable rules by design, or barely any at all. Either way, Johnny's response still provides all the information the OP needs so I'm struggling to understand the point of your post.

Indeed. “Citation needed” rarely adds anything to a discussion here, but in this case it’s downright gonzo.

Yea, I had two threads open, posted that in the wrong one.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong here, but I think the assertion he is contesting is that Matched play is the "Default"?

It is the default on Dakka. And most folk seem to play it. None of that is controversial or worthy of a thread derail. And it seems he just "citation" spammed the wrong thread anyway.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong here, but I think the assertion he is contesting is that Matched play is the "Default"?

It is the default on Dakka. And most folk seem to play it. None of that is controversial or worthy of a thread derail. And it seems he just "citation" spammed the wrong thread anyway.

One post in the wrong thread is not "spamming"