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I’d rather have had a plastic crusaders kit. It used to be all the weirdness of crusaders, death cultists and inquisitors that could accompany a Witch Hunters army, that gave it such a wonderful flavour. Adepta Sororitas are in danger of becoming as bland and the rest of 40K.

Good to see the Sisters range getting expanded. People were happy of course when the whole existing range was moved to plastic, but now they’re actually getting fleshed out more to be a stand alone faction. I find some of the new design choices a bit dubious but that’s partly a matter of personal opinion of course.

Personally I would have preferred a new kit for Crusaders, cos then I could also use them in my Guard army. Assuming they got updated rules too of course. Never mind.

Makes me wonder what’s going to happen to Deathcult Assassins too.

Not Online!!! wrote:
GW, this isn't how you use a long halberd or equip an halbardier...

Beyond that it's an nice model, but with shield no. just no. Remove shield make halbedier work again.

Maybe you should tell the actual medieval halberd users they were doing it wrong then:

Not Online!!! wrote:GW, this isn't how you use a long halberd or equip an halbardier...

Gadzilla666 wrote: How is she supposed to use a long halberd, plus a shield, PLUS a bolter?

Once again: there is a historical precedent for equipping people with halberds and shields, its tricky, but it's there.

Also, I've never heard the term 'long halberd' before, but the one pictured is not particularly long given GW's typical scaling issues for things like spears.

the_scotsman wrote:...What marine unit is the mini walker suit with the heavy bolter and the sword copying? You know Killa Kanz aren't a marine unit right?

Depending on its performance I'd say it's nearest astartes neighbor is a hybrid assault/devastator centurion and I'm shocked people stretch so far to compare them to terminators.

the_scotsman wrote:Also the new tank is literally a blinged up Leman Russ, isn't it? With a battlecannon and everything?

That depends entirely on its rules. If it had the toughness of an Exorcist in the current sisters codex then yes, it'd essentially be a Russ, but if its in line with the exorcist's leaked statline it'll be a Pred with a battle cannon.

 Irbis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
GW, this isn't how you use a long halberd or equip an halbardier...

Beyond that it's an nice model, but with shield no. just no. Remove shield make halbedier work again.

Maybe you should tell the actual medieval halberd users they were doing it wrong then:

People always make the mistake of looking at a halberd and assuming that it's intended to be used as a mega-axe. A Halberd is a spear with a bonus 'pull a guy off a horse' feature attached to it.

Of course, there is also the historical precedent that some medieval weapons simply weren't very good at their intended function. Take flails, for example. The concept is sound - it's a blunt force weapon, meaning it's good for just crunching people right through armor like a mace is and it won't break like a sword if you hit a guy wearing armor with it, but unlike a mace hitting something doesn't transmit the force right back to the rider's arm, so you can use it to bash people you're riding by on a horse and you're less likely to drop it when you hit somebody.

However, any primary source writing about people using them is basically just like 'well Sir Flumplewald had to kill a perfectly good horse today, flail bounced off a practice dummy and smashed into his horse's flank, these things are idiotic we're going back to pointed sticks.'

My favorite quote on flails is "a novice will hit themselves. A master will hit themselves less."

I would have prefered a Spear rather than a Halberd but the model is nice and if thats a Storm Shield - thats also nice

thumbs up

Three thumbs up for this model. Like few others but this is really something.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would have prefered a Spear rather than a Halberd but the model is nice and if thats a Storm Shield - thats also nice

thumbs up

GW is obviously going for a Swiss Guards vibe with these so a spear would not fit with the theme.

As the video says - there are various reasons you might carry shields around with you, but not many for why you'd want to try fighting holding a halberd in one hand and a shield in the other.

But really rule of cool applies. The model looks good to me.

I've always found the debates on whether something would be practical in real life when talking about 40k models, to be scrapping the very bottom of the lowest of barrels. It literally makes no sense. There isn't a single model. NOT A SINGLE MODEL in the entire line that would make sense in a real-world setting. NOT ONE.

 Ghaz wrote:
GW is obviously going for a Swiss Guards vibe with these so a spear would not fit with the theme.

If only there was already a unit which was Swiss Guard in space.

If only...

 Captain Joystick wrote:
There is a certain precedent for art depicting people wielding a halberd in one hand and a shield in the other and the exact reasoning behind those depictions we don't rightly know today.

As for the celestian here, I don't think we know 100% the intention until we can get an in-person look at the mini and see how the shield is supposed to be attached, but like what's been said elsewhere it could be strapped to the arm allowing the hand to grip the halberd, or it could be intended to be wielded as the celestians close ranks, then dropped as they enter melee range. or kept up by the foreward rank while the rear ranks chop down.

In the 'real' world people need 2 hands to use a halberd with anything like effectiveness, but in the grimdark far future with power armour is that really the case? I suspect not with a lot of the work of holding and controlling the weight being handled by the power armour (and the power field on the weapon doing a lot of the damage too)

You can use a halberd in 1 hand you would just be using it like a spear and losing out on the effectiveness of the option to use the axe head and back spike

However since it looks like a power halberd its not like you need any force behind the axe or spike to do damage so using it in 1 hand would not be an issue anyways

and since halberds are one of my favorite polearms I'm happy to see it for sisters.

Iv wanted melee seraphim, a melee sister unit that wasnt a repentia and iv gotten both so yay!...

As for taking up the space of crusaders.... they should just give crusaders the bodyguard rule and that would give them an actual purpose...

Apparently the Halberd is only one of the melee weapon options as well.

Feels like sisters becoming the new primiaris marines but with boobplate... It seems they carrying on with the primaris design approach. Make lots of prospect designs. Then just say "feth it" release them all!!!! gime that sweet $$$...

Arco flagellants and especially repentia are an absolute blender unit. I fear we wont see them on the table much because storm shields are just going to be too good to pass up due to lethality.. Seems because SM have OP things and cover all the weakspots, other imperials need to have it too. Dont like this approach.

I really like crusaders aesthetic and fluff would have preferred a remake of those gus. This is just bland stuff blatantly trying to copy custodes/spacemarine "power armour person with shield and CC weapon but NEW".

 Irbis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
GW, this isn't how you use a long halberd or equip an halbardier...

Beyond that it's an nice model, but with shield no. just no. Remove shield make halbedier work again.

Maybe you should tell the actual medieval halberd users they were doing it wrong then:

Have you actually listened to that video yourself?

He points out that there is an artist that painted it that way, that doen't mean that it was true for one.
Just for the sake of argument:



For two, Even if it were the case there's still no usage as an combat shield proven comparatively to what is depicted as probably a pavese (basically carry and deployable cover) type of deal, cue also mentioned in the video.

For three, have you actually had the pleassure to handle such a thing? I had with a replica, let me tell you just outright, no.



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 Ghaz wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would have prefered a Spear rather than a Halberd but the model is nice and if thats a Storm Shield - thats also nice

thumbs up

GW is obviously going for a Swiss Guards vibe with these so a spear would not fit with the theme.

Spoiler:

neither does the shield

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would have prefered a Spear rather than a Halberd but the model is nice and if thats a Storm Shield - thats also nice

thumbs up

GW is obviously going for a Swiss Guards vibe with these so a spear would not fit with the theme.

Spoiler:

neither does the shield

Adding a shield isn't as bad as switching the halberd for a spear would have been.

I haven't purchased anything from GW since 5th edition and honestly thought I never would again, but the new sister stuff (and all the conversion ideas percolating in my head), I might have to break this fast and get the dex.

 Ghaz wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would have prefered a Spear rather than a Halberd but the model is nice and if thats a Storm Shield - thats also nice

thumbs up

GW is obviously going for a Swiss Guards vibe with these so a spear would not fit with the theme.

Spoiler:

neither does the shield

Adding a shield isn't as bad as switching the halberd for a spear would have been.

i guess that's also true...
Still missing the obstuse hats / or an actual morion PA piece...

Which would probably singlehandedly convince me to start a full army of them...

My biggest gripe is the shield COLOR. I think being it's an OML Sister that a black shield would have looked better.

Too much "gold". And I really hate GW's take on gold. Keep the Fleur white but a gloss black (or even a flat black) shield face would look better. Hell, even a red shield face would look better.

Looks like a fair bit of room for freehand and with a rotary tool or lots of elbow grease the Fleur could be removed to make the entire shield usable for free hand.

Not Online!!! wrote:
For three, have you actually had the pleassure to handle such a thing? I had with a replica, let me tell you just outright, no.

Yeah. Pretty much every spear meant to be used with one hand was designed in a way that enabled just that. Most halberds were intentionally top heavy, making effective use with one hand nearly impossible.

I like the model shown, but all of mine will be getting the GK glaive treatment - two handed grip, with the bolter mounted on the haft, and maybe a small power buckler for WYSIWYG sake.

And If there's a spear variant, I have the perfect aspis style shields printed for some nice hoplite action.

Well Celestian Sacresants is good looking but I am also bothered by halberd+shield+bolt pistol combination.

But I actually expect there being option for single handed weapons (sword/mace) but if nothing else then I would just ditch the shield.

smh people really complaining about space-nuns wielding power-halberds with their strength-enhancing power armor so they can better worship the dead-but-not-really-dead god-emperor 40 thousand years in the future.

Model's gorgeous. Can't wait to see the other options in the unit! I'll definitely be adding these to my army!

I think this also solves a number of rumor engines as well.

Ridiculous concept. GW’s kitchen sink capitalism riding these waves of faction enthusiasm until every faction has every copyrightable difficult to convert from old kits mutant unit imaginable is silly slop. Just ick.

Waith so we have no problem with space marines wielding giganormous power mallets (A weapon that didn't even existed outside primitive wooden clubs) with one hand and a shield in the other but we have it with Power Halberds?

Have to say I like it more than the previous models - not oddly proportioned, posed, and/or a space marine model.

Not quite sure about the sculptors logic with the shield,,, put in a spot to rest the halberd and then fill it with a boltgun. I guess to avoid a copy of the custodes.

I'd imagine they would be useful as a bodyguard unit, albeit in a limited way with the current celestian rules of 'bodyguard dies, no saves'

Sotahullu wrote:
Well Celestian Sacresants is good looking but I am also bothered by halberd+shield+bolt pistol combination.

But I actually expect there being option for single handed weapons (sword/mace) but if nothing else then I would just ditch the shield.

Other weapons are certain and confirmed:

Sacresants wield a variety of blessed polearms and maces with which to smite the unclean

It's a nicely designed halberd, and halberds fit the aesthetic well I'd say. Also, I do rather like the look of halberds in general.

The shield, on the other hand, is either too big or too small, and neither the shape nor indeed the colour work well here. The mace variant sounds interesting, though visually the stationary halberd pose with a larger, more elaborately decorated pavise could have been rather nice. Just going to ignore the extra bolter there; no idea in what kind of fighting style that would make sense.

drbored wrote:
smh people really complaining about space-nuns wielding power-halberds with their strength-enhancing power armor so they can better worship the dead-but-not-really-dead god-emperor 40 thousand years in the future.

Model's gorgeous. Can't wait to see the other options in the unit! I'll definitely be adding these to my army!

I think this also solves a number of rumor engines as well.

I know right, shocking that others might have differing opinions to your own, am I right?!?!

The other weapon option for the celstants is a mace btw.