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2021/04/20 19:37:47
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Is any new model at this point going to get this topic brought up everytime? Do we wanna try and get Primaris Eldar out of the way already ahead of time?
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2021/04/20 20:05:03
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:Is any new model at this point going to get this topic brought up everytime? Do we wanna try and get Primaris Eldar out of the way already ahead of time?
I don't think you're going to see Primaris Eldar, no need - the majority of the range is still metal/finecast era, only the guardian kit really poses a challenge here, but they (like Necron Warriors) are old enough that you can rerelease them with a whole new sculpt and some additional weapon options and they will still sell like delicious delicious hotcakes.
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2021/04/20 20:11:43
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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chaos0xomega wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote:Is any new model at this point going to get this topic brought up everytime? Do we wanna try and get Primaris Eldar out of the way already ahead of time?
I don't think you're going to see Primaris Eldar, no need - the majority of the range is still metal/finecast era, only the guardian kit really poses a challenge here, but they (like Necron Warriors) are old enough that you can rerelease them with a whole new sculpt and some additional weapon options and they will still sell like delicious delicious hotcakes.
But that's just it. There's never a need for anything to be Primaris'd. But that's exactly why we'll see it.
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2021/04/20 20:16:34
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It feels like literally anything will get labeled as "Primaris'd" regardless of the actual intent or outcome.
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2021/04/20 20:39:42
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Waaagh! Ork Warboss
Italy
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Drukhari didn't get primarized.
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2021/04/20 20:42:25
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Nor did Necrons.
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2021/04/20 20:59:15
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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The new Incubi are slightly larger .... 28mm bases FTW!
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2021/04/20 20:59:47
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Blackie wrote:Drukhari didn't get primarized.
Of course not, their fate is to slowly get squatted.
Insectum7 wrote:Nor did Necrons.
Granted, I haven’t bought the new codex but destroyers certainly look the part.
I, for one, look forward to the Primarization of Tau (everyone gets a battle suit!) and certainly Tyranids.
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2021/04/20 21:46:20
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Stormonu wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:Nor did Necrons.
Granted, I haven’t bought the new codex but destroyers certainly look the part.
I, for one, look forward to the Primarization of Tau (everyone gets a battle suit!) and certainly Tyranids.
The new Destroyers aren't "replacing" any old models with a "newer bigger betterer" one. They're just a new unit/s. The only one that sorta works for that is the Heavy Destroyer, but that's also one that you can just use your old models for I think.
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2021/04/20 22:07:04
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well they didn't get new models. ( Well...not "recently" )
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2021/04/20 22:10:47
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Lilith doesn't look like she grew a foot taller.
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2021/04/20 22:19:46
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Second Story Man
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Stormonu wrote:Granted, I haven’t bought the new codex but destroyers certainly look the part.
Destroyers always looked the part, which is why they aren't included. They just got melee versions on legs instead of shooty versions on skimmers.
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Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right. |
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2021/04/20 23:22:27
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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2021/04/21 00:35:18
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Confessor Of Sins
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What Do You Mean, Not All Beast Snaggas Ride Squigs wrote:The Beast Snaggas might be well known for riding into battle on the backs of various squig species, but some delight in bringing their targets down on their own two feet. Banding together into large mobs of Beast Snagga Boyz, these ferocious fighters can often be found crashing into the monsters brought down by their stikka-lobbing comrades and hacking their tough hides to pieces.
A (relatively short) lifetime of hunting huge, dangerous beasts has made these Orks particularly large and strong in comparison with regular Boyz. While they’re not quite as durable as a Nob, they can certainly swing their choppas just as hard, which makes them especially prone to lording it over the Boyz they charge alongside.
Gir Spirit Bane wrote:Hmm... Reading the article would it be so unsurprising if Nob's went to W3, MANZ W4 (no invuln native still I bet) and these new boyz to W2?
I'm hyped as someone doing a deffskull savage army (My tattoos can head butt las cannons and win!) and more options will be amazing! Judging from the picture these Orkz will be on 32mm I bet.
Wait? What? How does "not as durable as a Nob" translate into 2 Wound Beast Snagga Boyz?
I figure defensively, the new Ork upgrade will be one of the following: 5+ Save6+ Invulnerable SaveToughness 5
Anything more than this and they are trodding on the ground they gave to the truly durable factions like Marines, Death Guard, and Necrons.
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2021/04/21 01:00:48
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
Australia
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alextroy wrote:What Do You Mean, Not All Beast Snaggas Ride Squigs wrote:The Beast Snaggas might be well known for riding into battle on the backs of various squig species, but some delight in bringing their targets down on their own two feet. Banding together into large mobs of Beast Snagga Boyz, these ferocious fighters can often be found crashing into the monsters brought down by their stikka-lobbing comrades and hacking their tough hides to pieces.
A (relatively short) lifetime of hunting huge, dangerous beasts has made these Orks particularly large and strong in comparison with regular Boyz. While they’re not quite as durable as a Nob, they can certainly swing their choppas just as hard, which makes them especially prone to lording it over the Boyz they charge alongside.
Gir Spirit Bane wrote:Hmm... Reading the article would it be so unsurprising if Nob's went to W3, MANZ W4 (no invuln native still I bet) and these new boyz to W2?
I'm hyped as someone doing a deffskull savage army (My tattoos can head butt las cannons and win!) and more options will be amazing! Judging from the picture these Orkz will be on 32mm I bet.
Wait? What? How does "not as durable as a Nob" translate into 2 Wound Beast Snagga Boyz?
I figure defensively, the new Ork upgrade will be one of the following: 5+ Save6+ Invulnerable SaveToughness 5
Anything more than this and they are trodding on the ground they gave to the truly durable factions like Marines, Death Guard, and Necrons.
I mean, high wounds low save is a fairly unique statline right? I don't think there's many (if any) models that follow that same concept.
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2021/04/21 01:05:41
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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alextroy wrote:Wait? What? How does "not as durable as a Nob" translate into 2 Wound Beast Snagga Boyz?
Well if the Nob goes up to 3 wounds...
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2021/04/21 01:08:48
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Eonfuzz wrote:I mean, high wounds low save is a fairly unique statline right? I don't think there's many (if any) models that follow that same concept.
Chaos Spawn, Ogryns, Hellions, Drukhari beasts, most "medium" Tyranids (Lictors, Warriors, Raveners, ), all Swarms. To name a few...
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2021/04/21 01:48:08
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Tyranid Warriors have a 4+, which I wouldn't count as low. Raveners have a 5+ iirc though.
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2021/04/21 03:38:33
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Terrifying Doombull
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Insectum7 wrote:Tyranid Warriors have a 4+, which I wouldn't count as low. Raveners have a 5+ iirc though.
With current guns (and doctrines), I definitely count it as low.
AP is just way too wide-spread.
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2021/04/21 03:48:49
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
Australia
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Voss wrote: Insectum7 wrote:Tyranid Warriors have a 4+, which I wouldn't count as low. Raveners have a 5+ iirc though.
With current guns (and doctrines), I definitely count it as low.
AP is just way too wide-spread.
That kind of thinking is how marines think a 3+ save isn't "good" Automatically Appended Next Post: MinMax wrote: Eonfuzz wrote:I mean, high wounds low save is a fairly unique statline right? I don't think there's many (if any) models that follow that same concept.
Chaos Spawn, Ogryns, Hellions, Drukhari beasts, most "medium" Tyranids (Lictors, Warriors, Raveners, ), all Swarms. To name a few...
Are Warriors really swarms? I don't think I've seen them used as such before.
Admittedly my experience in 40k is a handful of tournaments and locals against marines, so I don't know how good or interesting those units are.
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2021/04/21 04:01:11
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Voss wrote: Insectum7 wrote:Tyranid Warriors have a 4+, which I wouldn't count as low. Raveners have a 5+ iirc though.
With current guns (and doctrines), I definitely count it as low.
AP is just way too wide-spread.
Well a 4+ is right in the middle between a 2+ and a 6+ so I dunno how you'd qualify 5,6 and 7 (I think Spore Mines have a 7+) if 4+ is low
Automatically Appended Next Post: Eonfuzz wrote:
Are Warriors really swarms? I don't think I've seen them used as such before.
I think in that context they meant things like Ripper Swarms, Scarab and Nurgling type units. One base with a couple little critters on it.
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2021/04/21 04:06:23
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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New ork sculpts are meh at best. Boar boys should be easy stand-ins unless GW do their magic IP dance and make beastsnaggas somehow difficult to convert, such as needing a snot or grot passenger or some odd weapon the boar boyz didn’t carry.
GW shenanigans are in such bad faith. Evil mean spirited money grabbers suck the enthusiasm from older hobbyists especially. Just gets so tiresome with the fanbois saying yeay and the people who have been around to see such bad faith in action for so many years saying nay.
Meanwhile it is obvious that GW is acting in bad faith by the divisiveness they cause. Most people blame the hobbyists who complain but I blame GW money grabbers.
They are definitely 2 wounds with a 2++ and in cover with invisibility. Whatever happens with these orks, the money grabbers at GW have definitely benn primaricized... yuck.
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2021/04/21 04:43:30
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote: alextroy wrote:Wait? What? How does "not as durable as a Nob" translate into 2 Wound Beast Snagga Boyz?
Well if the Nob goes up to 3 wounds...
Wouldn't it be crazy if it went Grots 1 wound, Boyz 2 wounds, Snagga Boyz 3 wounds, Nobz 4 wounds, Mega Armoured Nobz 5 wounds?
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2021/04/21 05:00:42
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Keeper of the Flame
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If GW hasn't scale crept your faction to attempt to "force" you to rebuy your entire army, just wait. It'll be happening soon enough.
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2021/04/21 05:44:52
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Eonfuzz wrote:That kind of thinking is how marines think a 3+ save isn't "good"
If you're never taking your 3+ save, then it's not really all that good. That's what I miss about the AP system from 3rd-7th. A 3+ save meant a 3+ save. Jarms48 wrote:Wouldn't it be crazy if it went Grots 1 wound, Boyz 2 wounds, Snagga Boyz 3 wounds, Nobz 4 wounds, Mega Armoured Nobz 5 wounds?
But then Bolters, known to kill Orks in droves, would need to be D2, and then... and then... and then...
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2021/04/21 07:24:27
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Eonfuzz wrote:That kind of thinking is how marines think a 3+ save isn't "good"
If you're never taking your 3+ save, then it's not really all that good.
That's what I miss about the AP system from 3rd-7th. A 3+ save meant a 3+ save.
Really? In 7th I had the feeling, a 3+ is usually a 4+ or nothing because of cover and AP2 everywhere. And a 4+/5+/6+ usually didn't exist because every weapon was at least Ap 4. Since 8th I'm taking much more actual armor saves than before (admittedly that also has to do with changes to cover).
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2021/04/21 07:28:00
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Just like in video games when lazy people started calling any moderately hard game "the Dark Souls of [game type]" I feel like the wargaming community is going to latch onto "the primaris of [faction]" as a description.
New Ork? It's the primaris of orks
New Tau? It's the primaris of Tau
New plastic thunderhawk? It's the primaris of thunderhawks
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2021/04/21 07:45:31
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Waaagh! Ork Warboss
Italy
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Sgt. Cortez wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: Eonfuzz wrote:That kind of thinking is how marines think a 3+ save isn't "good"
If you're never taking your 3+ save, then it's not really all that good.
That's what I miss about the AP system from 3rd-7th. A 3+ save meant a 3+ save.
Really? In 7th I had the feeling, a 3+ is usually a 4+ or nothing because of cover and AP2 everywhere. And a 4+/5+/6+ usually didn't exist because every weapon was at least Ap 4. Since 8th I'm taking much more actual armor saves than before (admittedly that also has to do with changes to cover).
This. Now a 3+ save is much stronger than it used to be. And not everyone plays SM which can fire litterally anything with extremely high AP.
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2021/04/21 08:42:14
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
Australia
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ScarletRose wrote:Just like in video games when lazy people started calling any moderately hard game "the Dark Souls of [game type]" I feel like the wargaming community is going to latch onto "the primaris of [faction]" as a description.
New Ork? It's the primaris of orks
New Tau? It's the primaris of Tau
New plastic thunderhawk? It's the primaris of thunderhawks
Sorta Kinda?
Was the unit asspulled out of new lore? Check
Is the new name something similar to [adjective] [noun]? Check
Is the new unit [existing unit] +1? Check
Is the new unit slightly larger than [existing unit]? Check
Does the new unit have lack of options in its kit and require you to buy a slightly different, but similar sprue? Yet to see
A "Primaris of [faction]" requires those I think.
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2021/04/21 09:46:22
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Reading through the article:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/04/19/what-do-you-mean-not-all-beast-snaggas-ride-squigs/
I have some predictions, based on the text:
"While they’re not quite as durable as a Nob, they can certainly swing their choppas just as hard"
Meaning 1 wound, T4, S5.
"by necessity Beast Snagga Doks are some of the most ‘creative’ around"
Meaning lots of upgrades - I'm guessing squig parts and cybork. Could this be the long-anticipated return of gyrostabilised monowheels?
"it can be a good laugh seeing the Beast Snagga Boyz trying to harpoon giant tanks"
I hope this means some sort of boarding action for anti-tank. The idea of harpooning a tank, to my mind, implies having a big thing to mount a tank-harpoon onto. Please oh please oh please let it be a plastic squiggoth kit!!!
I expect thise to be expensive (money-wise), in mobs of 5-15, with several cybork or squig-bitz options for the unit, T4, S5, 1 wound.
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