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soviet13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

soviet13 wrote:

Looks to me like this unit is mostly exact duplicates. 8 completely monopose figures and then the first Boy at top left can switch to a gun (second row, last but one) and the second Boy from top left can switch to the Nob. That's disappointing.

Troke did say that it was "a couple of units" of the Boyz plus the riders, Nob, and character. That would be two boxes of the Boyz, the riders, Nob, character, and book.

Sure, but I hoped the Boyz box would at least give each dude one alternate build. Imagine a whole bunch of 20-man units in a Beast Snaggas army, all incuding the same 8 dudes twice over. Awful.

Hopefully solo box at least has different poses like sisters had.

But this was forseeable thing anyway.

 Crimson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.

You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.

It's plastic. If you have a knife, they're swappable.

Woah woah woah there bucko, that's crazy talk....

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.

You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.

I bet it's an ETB box, just like the Sisters Army Box, which later got everything relased separately as multipart kits.

What's ETB mean?

But yeah, it looks like they'll be 10 models in a box as I count 10 unique poses. The one armed with a 2 handed gun (2nd row from the top, 2nd from the right) looks to be the same body/head/shoulder as the dude in the top left who's armed with an axe, so maybe it'll be a similar deal where a box can make either slugga or shootas, but with only 1 option for each.

Rewatched twice now. Apoligies, I musta misunderstood the ramblings the first time around, thouht the kit they was talking about referred to a new kit which was just me failing at english listening comprehension test

I still hope that upgrade sprue will also be available separately, I have a box of cadians and catachans I never bothered assembling, this upgrade kit and a few extra bits might be enough to build an interesting looking kill team out of the pile. I will want to swap the arms out though!

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.

You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.

It's plastic. If you have a knife, they're swappable.

Woah woah woah there bucko, that's crazy talk....

Depends how they go together, heads might be easily swappable, might be a bit of a headache.

But conversion is always an option, it's odd that they wouldn't have that functionality out of the box.

 ceorron wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The army box looks greatly ETB.

Do you think there will be a multipart relase of all of them kits later down the line like with Sisters and CSM.

They said yes in the video.

Unsure. They didn’t say that.
They said these models will get a release down the line, not multipart versions.
Could go either way..

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.

You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.

Maybe the full kits will be and these are like the Sisters LTD Ed box?

Sarouan wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:


It's two half hours. And I don't mind spending that time to watch, even if I don't like several previewed things.

And GW is kinda smart enough to lure some guys with the sole intent to bitch about the show on a forum into watching it.

Well yeah, that was the point of having a live everyday of this week. Making views.

But the content was clearly enough for just one day. They stretched it out quite a lot with useless chatting in these half-hours.

As there's no live event with people I can't blame them doing this. And six days with half an hour in the early evening (or whenever you want to watch it) to show some stuff and talking about it instead of hours of your weekend if you really watch the livestream on Twitch (where they do exactly the same - i.e. 'useless chatting') isn't exactly what I'd call evil or a despicable marketing move. Don't like Troke and Eccles talking about their favorites? Don't watch it and wait a few minutes after it ends to see the stuff on WarCom.

I can understand criticism about the models - but the format? Not so much.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What's ETB mean?

Easy To Build - like some of the Primaris & Death Guard stuff was.

Even if the separate kits wouldn't be ETB, there's still a possibility that the models will be cut in a way which is only going tohether in a specific way. This seems to be the norm recently. But it's nothing a committed modeler cant convert/kitbash around, cutting plastic is a doddle!

Can't wait to see the cool new snakebite Klans people are going to be kitbashing together with these.

I’m not sure it’s an easy to build box like the Sisters one, I think it’s more like the Lumineth one. They mentioned everything in it would be available seperately, and it sounded more like they meant the exact models, not full versions. I think it’s just an unversatile kit. I think 2 of the Squig riders would probably share parts if it was E2B.

soviet13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

soviet13 wrote:

Looks to me like this unit is mostly exact duplicates. 8 completely monopose figures and then the first Boy at top left can switch to a gun (second row, last but one) and the second Boy from top left can switch to the Nob. That's disappointing.

Troke did say that it was "a couple of units" of the Boyz plus the riders, Nob, and character. That would be two boxes of the Boyz, the riders, Nob, character, and book.

Sure, but I hoped the Boyz box would at least give each dude one alternate build. Imagine a whole bunch of 20-man units in a Beast Snaggas army, all incuding the same 8 dudes twice over. Awful.

I got the feeling that with these you don’t take loads of 20 man units.
They’re more like Nobs, 20 might be the most anyway..

The good news is that those are just half the ork models released this year... by the dark gods I think GW is aware of the marine fatigue. Honestly the fact that 40k is getting 6 new ork kits (they said orks only got half their reinforcements teased) and cadians are getting upgraded, and it looks like they are promising a TSons vs Grey knights box... without mentioning a single space marine (unless you consider grey knights or tsons space marines). They also teased new codices... I don’t play any of those factions and I am excited. I can’t wait to see what ork players will put on the table (probably in orktober if GW is smart).

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’m not sure it’s an easy to build box like the Sisters one, I think it’s more like the Lumineth one. They mentioned everything in it would be available seperately, and it sounded more like they meant the exact models, not full versions. I think it’s just an unversatile kit. I think 2 of the Squig riders would probably share parts if it was E2B.

Yeah this is what I said further up.
They said they will be available later (shortly after).
It definitely sounded like it’s these ones.
At most there’ll be a kit for the big boys.
Mounts and the hard head one, they will be exactly this.

I don’t think they are ETB. Just monopole kits.
Some of the people saying ETB probably mean that also as in times past it seems to get mixed up when people just mean ‘goes together one way’
(I know not all of you mean that, but some might, as has happened in prior discussions about releases..)

Danny76 wrote:

I got the feeling that with these you don’t take loads of 20 man units.
They’re more like Nobs, 20 might be the most anyway..

Yeah, I hope that they're kinda elitey, but still troops, so that you can fill your troop slots without having to paint a huge horde.

I can't remember the last time I have been so excited and disappointed at the same time as I am with Cadian upgrades. The new bits look great but sticking them to 18 year old models is lame, especially knowing that it will come with an improved price tag. Upgrade sprue would almost make sense if Shock Troops were available in bulk but the original sprue is so full of empty space that I don't see them returning to boxes of twenty models. New bits would have fitted into recut sprue easily, they could even have used good amount of old bits for recut sprue. Also, I remember Shock Troops having horrible mold lines the last time I bought them about 15 years ago, I dread to think how they are nowadays.

Primariz Orks aren't bad. Individual models are quite good actually. Being somewhat different style to rest of the range feels a bit awkward but I guess that is on purpose. Similar to Primaris Space Marines, Beast Snaggas have a coherent internal style which makes collecting a new army using only new models a tempting option.

It remains unclear whether the army set is similar to Sisters where exact contents are exclusive but replaced by full option kits later, or similar to Lumineth where every model is available separately later. Or a mixed approach like Shadowspear.

 Crimson wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

I got the feeling that with these you don’t take loads of 20 man units.
They’re more like Nobs, 20 might be the most anyway..

Yeah, I hope that they're kinda elitey, but still troops, so that you can fill your troop slots without having to paint a huge horde.

Yeah. For sure want them as troops..
But two ten mans filling it out would be nice.

Like with IG years back I remember it was like one troops was the cmnd, two tens, and auxiliary or something. And you had to get that twice.
Or just do the ten man vets and done.

"Greatest Warhammer fest ever!!!"

Yep, glad I didn't bother to watch this live and waste my time. Fool me once etc.

Classic GW have teasers for future teasers

Really wasn't expecting the guard upgrade. Im not a guard player but those seem fine to me. I genuinely couldn't even tell it was the old kit bodies.

So next codexes: Ad mech, Sisters, Orks, Tsons & GK. Then we be on another Sm codex after x mas because GW will be suffering severe withdrawals by then.

macluvin wrote:
The good news is that those are just half the ork models released this year... by the dark gods I think GW is aware of the marine fatigue. Honestly the fact that 40k is getting 6 new ork kits (they said orks only got half their reinforcements teased) and cadians are getting upgraded, and it looks like they are promising a TSons vs Grey knights box... without mentioning a single space marine (unless you consider grey knights or tsons space marines). They also teased new codices... I don’t play any of those factions and I am excited. I can’t wait to see what ork players will put on the table (probably in orktober if GW is smart).

We know 2 of the other kits are a squig chariot and boys with shoulder mounted heavy weapons. Kommandos could still be an option with how they mentioned them in the video.

Are these guardsmen the same kit+ new weapons and heads?

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Are these guardsmen the same kit+ new weapons and heads?

Yeah, it’s an upgrade sprue packaged with the original kit.

Really hoping for a multipart kit down the line! All the boys look like clones, not a single extra bit that I can spot!

I'm not concerned with monopose orks in this box. I still have like60 of the ones from black reach which were posable to the degree of rotating a single arm.

That's sadly what I expected. They've moved from from the interchangeable multipose paradigm.

To me they look too monopose to be a proper kit. I mean they are obviously 10x2 sprues of the same guys.

But at the same time I know expecting more than the bare minimun is not a good bet with modern 40k.

GW's loss. 3 months and we'll have plenty of 3d print options, mono and poseable.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
That's sadly what I expected. They've moved from from the interchangeable multipose paradigm.

There's a huge irony in this. There was a time where the defenders of GW's ever-increasing prices would say that the new plastic kits, even though they were more expensive than the old metal models, were better because plastic meant a greater variety of modeling options and your army would ultimately look better and more diverse than ever before.

But numerically, this never made sense. The Squat range (yes, the Squats! The ones that disappeared in 2nd edition, though not before getting a multipart plastic kit of their own) had 145 individual metal infantry models in the original RT range (excluding Chaos squats, guys on bikes/trikes, and the very rare 2nd edition squats). Good luck getting 145 different models out of any plastic kit, let alone the current monopose ones...

Why would a single kit have the diversity of an entire range?

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
At that point they really just should've made a new kit.

Agreed. Still better than nothing.

Often no effort is better then half assed. This just feels like them kicking the can down the road on something they are now tacitly admitting is horridly dated.

Whats next? New Guardian defender heads? lmao

So like...this at least gives them something. What would Eldar and other players say if they did get a new full kit and all the other kits they'd need for the army?

Not Online!!! wrote:
"everyone (faction) will get their time in the sun"

yeah, sure, go feth yourself.

Oh yea...that.



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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The grot is a bit of an afterthought, he could have had a whole little bunker up there.

That might make a weird silhouette though.

So, unsurprisingly the boyz are mono-posed exactly in the way I predicted.

I hope you people whining for new boyz are happy now, you got exactly what you deserved.

That said, the nob on the squig is rad. I also hope the insane runtherd isn't clan-locked.