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Andykp wrote:I just mentioned female marines in another thread outside of this one and got told to keep it in my pants by someone who had posts deleted on here. The threats and hate will still come.

Ok, first off, I don't have any posts removed in this thread nor have I said ANYTHING hateful, so kindly stop lying. That is basically character assassination/harassment.

Which is double funny because you DO have portions of your posts that were removed and nothing I said was worse than any of your constant attempts to tar and feather anyone who disagrees with you as a sexist regardless of what they said or believe, just because they don't fall in line.

But I'm not surprised given the amount of bad faith in this thread.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I just mentioned female marines in another thread outside of this one and got told to keep it in my pants by someone who had posts deleted on here. The threats and hate will still come.

I saw that, and am sorry I did not report the post. Thank you for reminding me to be better.

Nothing I said was against the rules as far as I'm aware. Unless it's now no longer ok to make cheeky pokes at someone?
Also you guys coordinating reports is basically admission of brigading to act out a personal vendetta, how is that any better?

It's a different topic and yet because people stopped posting in here due to massive amounts of gaslighting, bullying, and hypocritical bad faith argumentation on the part of the 5 of you who currently haunt this thread you've decided to try derailing another thread to continue your self righteous crusade. How noble...

Jack, your post is almost entirely a personal attack without any substance on the topic. Are you trying to derail the thread into a personal back and forth?

I can point you to quite a few points I made that have gone unanswered...

For example, the fact that XX and XY do not identify a male/female (so really, we can't even define in the real world what's what, and we should accept that in fiction?).

Or the fact that there is everything to gain ofrom the Emperor being also a sexist donkey-cave that, well knowing that female marine where possible, silently killed this option in the womb.

Or the fact that the supposed sanctity of human bodies is literally a joke looking at ANY faction excluded the Imperial Knight that has a specific "technical" reason to be non-augmented (and, for once, it's a good one because it involves involuntary responses that aren't affected at all by 40k year of history... Nothing in evolutionary terms).

Or the fact that an enhanced Marine is so transhuman to be effectively genderless, and a female head swap should be less significative then mixing sacred power armour different Mark version.

So, please, if it's not too gaslight for your sensitivity, enlighten me aboutwhat bad faith arguments are there, and let me know if I am one of the fantastic five or not.

Deadnight, in an effort to not further bog down the thread with what is now an off-topic discussion, I'm more than happy to give my response to the matter in DMs, but I think we were reaching a fairly swift conclusion anyways!

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Can we discuss how female space marines would affect the greater lore?

Heres one: They'd have to completely gut and redo the Codex Astartes. The SMs would double in size, practically overnight.

Heres another: SoB/SoS would get poached by SM legions with little or ability to say no or gain say. Both view disobeying the Astartes as heresy. Well, except for Aleya, who is basically a walking FU with a top knot and a giant sword.

Considering how many Space Marine Chapters were either gutted or destroyed anyways in the aftermath of the Great Rift, I don't think that we'd see exponentially more Astartes - and don't forget, there's still the matter of armour and arms to consider (although Cawl can seemingly whip them up quickly enough!)

Further as to Sisters of both Battle and Silence getting their recruits poached - I don't think this would be so. The Scions are still able to recruit well enough without their male recruits being pinched by the Astartes, and I think that the Sister of Silence have operation jurisdiction above ever Astartes. I think the Sisters of Battle would likely defend their own recruitment centres through their own political power.
Space Marines generally seem to recruit from their own crops of population centres - and these rarely overlap with other recruitment pools. I don't think that adding women Astartes would mean a loss of women from other military branches of the Imperium.

Hecaton wrote:There's no particular reason that the process which makes Astartes couldn't only work on male humans

Only that those reasons would be entirely arbitrary and fabricated. There's no particular reason that the process which makes Astartes couldn't only work on humans with green eyes, but it just so happens not to be the case arbitrarily.

I'm not saying "it's impossible that the Magic Space Super Soldier Serum Juice only works on men!", I'm saying that it doesn't *have* to be that way, and it being that way is entirely an arbitrary reason that holds no internal logic other than "because it is".

I want a better reason than "because it is", because that's an utterly limp creative decision.

Hecaton wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

Hecaton wrote:
I mean, if people say "a chainsword is more efficient than a normal sword at killing orks" se accept it as part of the setting's technology conceits. Same thing with "this process only works on male humans."

The chainsword is accepted because it looks really cool. Not because it's in any way practical, or a realistically useful weapon.

So unless you want to say "Excluding women from the most popular, most visible, and most customizable faction" is ALSO cool, I fail to see how that'd apply here. Because 40k isn't sci-fi. It's sci-fantasy. It has basically no grounding in real science.

It's not about whether or not you accept it,it's about whether or not the setting is that way.

The setting is malleable and shifts constantly. There is no "holy writ" of the setting that cannot change - so why does the setting need to be this way?

My reaction to your critique is that Astartes shouldn't necessarily be the most popular, or visible, faction and definitely shouldn't be the mst customizable.

But they are.

As you said - "it's not whether or not you accept it, it's about whether or not the setting is that way". And we're all fairly aware here that, no matter if we feel Space Marines should step away from the limelight, they won't. GW value them too much as a marketing resource to make them anything other than their poster faction. With this non-negotiable in mind (and it is non-negotiable based on *real world understandings*), we need to work within these constraints.

I've already outlined as to why portraying the Imperium as unironically heroic is fascism/totalitarian apologia.

I don't think anyone *is* advocating for portraying the Imperium as unironically heroic. Adding women certainly wouldn't make it so.

some bloke wrote:The same levels of fictional science can be added to support the argument in both directions. we can write 10 pages of pseudo-science to support the process only working on boys just as easily as we could write 10 pages of pseudoscience stating that the process only works on girls, or 10 pages of why it only works on cats, or 10 pages of why it only works on people named "Sam" who are capricorns born on a planet precisely 0.8 lightyears from the rift.

Such fiction is not part of 40k lore, so cannot be considered in whether or not the lore prohibits or encourages female Astartes. I'm fairly certain that anyone who knows anything about people can accept that boys and girls have physical differences. What you're arguing, Hecaton, is that these differences are not only enough to justify pseudo-science exclusion but also that this is already somehow actively described in the setting, which we have established some pages ago that it isn't any more - we have the relic of all astartes being male, but we have no current lore to explain why this is. It's simply an accepted fact, rather than a fully explained one (such as "why are necrons robots", which is explained in detail in their lore).

Yes, agreed.
Space Marines not being women isn't integral, it's not explained in detail and reason, and it's utterly and completely arbitrary. Acting like it's some key integral part of the setting is more than a little dishonest from Hecaton here.

I agree with you that it is plausible for a process to only affect males, but it is also just as plausible for it to also affect females.

Absolutely so.

Andykp wrote:Fact is they are the most dominant faction, and exclude any female representation. GW won’t change their dominance, they are the USP, so let’s change the lack of representation. The nature of the faction won’t change at all. Just some pronouns.

Absolutely agreed. It is fruitless to say "we'll just make someone else the poster faction", because that won't happen because of GW's own business reasons. Women Space Marines is a much more likely alternative, and won't fundamentally change anything.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:If there is no need for statistical differences in the individual units, is there any thing that says we can't just MAKE the change ourselves, and not wait for GW to catch up?

GW has in the past picked up Fan-cannon and made it real, so why not this?

The issue is that for many people, they use GW's silence on the matter to continue to justify their comments belittling people for including women Astartes. Sure, we don't *need* GW's legitimacy to do our own things, but stripping that sense of legitimacy from people who might attack others over it is the important feature.

Similarly, by GW themselves promoting women in prominent positions equal to men (through the use of women Astartes), it may go some distance in changing the perception of the hobby to be more inclusive.

Jack Flask wrote:

Andykp wrote:I just mentioned female marines in another thread outside of this one and got told to keep it in my pants by someone who had posts deleted on here. The threats and hate will still come.

Ok, first off, I don't have any posts removed in this thread nor have I said ANYTHING hateful, so kindly stop lying.

I don't think Andykp said anything in what you just quoted about you specifically being hateful, or your posts being removed. Maybe I missed something (EDIT, I did, so yes, your comment is entirely justified in defending that - my apologies!).

What they said about being shot down because they raised this topic in an adjacent thread is true though - and they were entirely entitled to say that Cawl's next move should be to do that. I don't think that was a problem in the first place, do you?

It's a different topic and yet because people stopped posting in here due to massive amounts of gaslighting, bullying, and hypocritical bad faith argumentation on the part of the 5 of you who currently haunt this thread

Could you point to examples of such gaslighting and bullying? We're only here asking why women can't be Space Marines.

you've decided to try derailing another thread to continue your self righteous crusade. How noble...

It was entirely on-topic in the other thread - the topic was about what should Cawl do next, and adding women Space Marines is a completely valid answer for that question.

I have to ask - is just mentioning women Space Marines "derailing"? Why?



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 Cybtroll wrote:
I can point you to quite a few points I made that have gone unanswered...

Oh, there's been a lot of mine too that have been quietly dropped by the people I've asked for clarifications and elaborations on.

Things like how apparently including women would make all the Boy Marines all randy all of a sudden, for one - and anyone's free to offer an answer to that one, not just the users who raised that lovely little idea!

 Jack Flask wrote:

Andykp wrote:I just mentioned female marines in another thread outside of this one and got told to keep it in my pants by someone who had posts deleted on here. The threats and hate will still come.

Ok, first off, I don't have any posts removed in this thread nor have I said ANYTHING hateful, so kindly stop lying. That is basically character assassination/harassment.

Which is double funny because you DO have portions of your posts that were removed and nothing I said was worse than any of your constant attempts to tar and feather anyone who disagrees with you as a sexist regardless of what they said or believe, just because they don't fall in line.

But I'm not surprised given the amount of bad faith in this thread.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I just mentioned female marines in another thread outside of this one and got told to keep it in my pants by someone who had posts deleted on here. The threats and hate will still come.

I saw that, and am sorry I did not report the post. Thank you for reminding me to be better.

Nothing I said was against the rules as far as I'm aware. Unless it's now no longer ok to make cheeky pokes at someone?
Also you guys coordinating reports is basically admission of brigading to act out a personal vendetta, how is that any better?

It's a different topic and yet because people stopped posting in here due to massive amounts of gaslighting, bullying, and hypocritical bad faith argumentation on the part of the 5 of you who currently haunt this thread you've decided to try derailing another thread to continue your self righteous crusade. How noble...

Apologies if you haven’t had posts removed, I thought you had, the only bits of my posts removed were where I was discussing the abusive comments that were later removed. I have derailed nothing , my comments were on topic, you just don’t like the comments. And claims of gaslighting are a joke surely?? If you have any other issues with me please DM me rather than tie you this or other threads.

Perhaps you confused Jack Flask with Matt Swain?

Maybe we stop with the who got what removed and focus on the discussion. Not that there really is a discussion left at this stage.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Perhaps you confused Jack Flask with Matt Swain?

. I think I did. Apologies jack.

 Cybtroll wrote:
...let me know if I am one of the fantastic five or not.

Dibs on Timmy the dog!

gak! Wrong five...

So if we assume there is NOTHING wrong with making females into marines, can we also assume there would be female Primaris Space Marine Heroes? Female Captains, and Female Chapter Masters?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So if we assume there is NOTHING wrong with making females into marines, can we also assume there would be female Primaris Space Marine Heroes? Female Captains, and Female Chapter Masters?

Yes, of course.

Aash wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So if we assume there is NOTHING wrong with making females into marines, can we also assume there would be female Primaris Space Marine Heroes? Female Captains, and Female Chapter Masters?

Yes, of course.

I mean, I forsee quite the pushback from certain factions to a non-first born Chapter Master. Not even the female thing. There are no CMs that aren't firstborn that later crossed the Rubicon. Having a pure Primaris CM would be a big deal.

That's not true actually, there are many Primaris Chapters that were created during the Ultima Founding, and sometimes other Chapters, such as the Flames of Aries, took so many casualties during the events of the Rift that their Chapter command had to be replaced with Primaris Grey Shields.

Thank you, I was completely unaware of that. I knew there were captains, but a literal vat born primaris? Really? They were just created in the lore basically yesterday. No one cares that essentially a 13 year old male is running a Chapter?

I would really love to see a female CM. It would be inspiring.

None of the Primaris are "vat born", many were simply in stasis on Cawl's ship. One of the cool lore features of the Primaris is that some are over 10k years old and were some of the last Space Marines to see the Loyalist Primarchs alive before their disappearance. It's specifically noted that when Guilliman brought relief forces to Rynn's World, some of the Primaris who wore the livery of the Crimson Fists had actually met Rogal Dorn. They aren't necessarily veterans as such but since we have no real timeframe for when the Primaris Project was initiated (only that it was during the Scouring when Guilliman was still leading the Ultramarines) so many could have been fully-fledged Space Marines when they underwent the process.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:So if we assume there is NOTHING wrong with making females into marines, can we also assume there would be female Primaris Space Marine Heroes? Female Captains, and Female Chapter Masters?

Of course - got to be representative.
I'm not talking about retconning any, but, you know, perhaps instead of the next Primaris Lieutenant, we could have a Primaris Lieutenant who happens to be female-presenting!

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:I mean, I forsee quite the pushback from certain factions to a non-first born Chapter Master. Not even the female thing. There are no CMs that aren't firstborn that later crossed the Rubicon. Having a pure Primaris CM would be a big deal.

Considering that there's a great number of Primaris only Chapters born from the first wave of Primaris from the Indomitus Crusade, I don't think that pre-Rubicon Primaris Chapter Masters are that rare.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Thank you, I was completely unaware of that. I knew there were captains, but a literal vat born primaris? Really? They were just created in the lore basically yesterday. No one cares that essentially a 13 year old male is running a Chapter?

I would really love to see a female CM. It would be inspiring.

I think it's worth clearing up misconceptions here - Cawl's Primaris weren't vat-born. They were taken from recruits back from the Scouring and Heresy, possibly topped up with recruits that Cawl may have picked up in the 10,000 years since, and all given various levels of hypno-indoctrination and training. They were perfectly capable of waging war, and I imagine that they had designated Captains and leaders amongst them - it wouldn't have been out of question that some Greyshield Captains distinguished themselves well in the Indomitus Crusade and were selected to become Chapter Masters of their own Greyshield cohorts.

After all, that's not so different from how many Chapter Masters distinguished themselves immediately after the Heresy - in the Ultramarines Legion especially, many future Chapter Masters were drawn from rather low level rank-and-file Captains who made a name for themselves at Calth and the Shadow Crusade.

You know what's really weird, the Ultramarines had the most successors post-Heresy, yet I can't name a single one of the Chapter Masters off the top of my head. I've got the Wolves (easy cos they only had one), a lot of the Fists, and a couple of Blood Angels but I can't think of a single Ultramarine.

 Gert wrote:
You know what's really weird, the Ultramarines had the most successors post-Heresy, yet I can't name a single one of the Chapter Masters off the top of my head. I've got the Wolves (easy cos they only had one), a lot of the Fists, and a couple of Blood Angels but I can't think of a single Ultramarine.

Oberdeii and Corvo stick out but that's only since I listened to Pharos recently and did some digging subsequently.

I think one of the problems is deffo a model thing. Sigismund, Pollux, and Raldaron have models so they've been featured more in stories.

 Gert wrote:
I think one of the problems is deffo a model thing. Sigismund, Pollux, and Raldaron have models so they've been featured more in stories.

I consider the lack of a model for Nassir Amit to to be more of a lack

Mostly, because audiobook and visualisation, I want to know how to spell the damn names...

Doesn't or didn't Mawloc have a model at one point? Just basically a big brown Cattiphracti terminator captain. He'd need to be BIG though, like he is noted as looking Bobby G in the face at full height.

As for Vat born, none of the Primaris have any True experience as space marines, hence I feel like they are vat born. All the skills and strength, none of the decision making or experience skills.

Here's a fun idea,

What if Alpha Primus or whatever his name was, (Assumed he's sorta the Gene father for all the primaris) intersex? Or just non-binary.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Doesn't or didn't Mawloc have a model at one point? Just basically a big brown Cattiphracti terminator captain. He'd need to be BIG though, like he is noted as looking Bobby G in the face at full height.

You mean the Minotaur's Chapter Master who may or may not be a line of succession rather than an individual? Yeah, the model is still available. Where does it say Mawloc stands toe to toe with Guilliman though?

As for Vat born, none of the Primaris have any True experience as space marines, hence I feel like they are vat born. All the skills and strength, none of the decision making or experience skills.

That is both true and false. While many would simply be fresh off the assembly line, I'd like to think that at least some of the officers would have had real combat experience at some point. They might have been some of the recruits who were already Astartes during the Scouring or maybe Cawl used them on secret missions to test their abilities. Either way by the time of Indomitus and Pariah, the Primaris have been around for long enough that combat experience isn't something they are lacking anymore.

Here's a fun idea,

What if Alpha Primus or whatever his name was, (Assumed he's sorta the Gene father for all the primaris) intersex? Or just non-binary.

It's a possibility. Cawl is eccentric and not having a specific gender-based name could mean AP is anything.

It's said in the book where the Custodes fight the Minotaurs, and Mawloc stands up to Gman and is like, F you. I'm 10' tall and mean RAWR.

Getting back on topic, I think the lore would both benefit and suffer from a few chapters outright refusing the integration. It would show real conflict instead of the CHOAS = BAD - KILL XENOS drivil that we normally get from BL.

If instead they showed a reluctant chapter get won over by the efforts of the new batch, it would go a long way to being a sign of positive growth, and set a good example for positive lore.

Maybe the Flesh Tearers are like, F These Recruits, they can't cut it. And we go through the whole trial by fire adventure where the primaris females earn their place. Rather then just "get made, slot into place"

Two ways to approach it, make a big deal of it and have them be a new thing that has to earn the respect of the other marines or just make them a normal part of it with no fuss or explanation, both have their merits in my eyes.

I think the space wolves would embrace the idea of female marines, the whole vikings thing and shield maidens etc. Think it would be a good idea to have some, like the black templars push against it to spot light the stupidity of the real life push back against it. Some zealot shouting that women aren’t allowed and just being asked why by respected spacewolf. No answer.

I think with the BT you could swing it super easily by recruiting from the various religious orders and cults while also saying "well the Emperor made this happen, are you denying God?", at which point the BT will fall in line.

But the Emperor didnt make them happen, I thought we were operating off the assumption that Cawl did this. There will be squabbles about that. This might be the tech Heresy that breaks the Not Giant AI Man thing's tendrites.

Its the Imperium, just lie about where Cawl got the data from. Ez.

 some bloke wrote:
we have the relic of all astartes being male, but we have no current lore to explain why this is.

I, myself, have no problem using old lore unless it's been superseded.

So I can say that:

 some bloke wrote:
The process works by uprating genes found in the X chromosome, and is regulated sufficiently that it does not cause double the effect on females (though I admit that females become uber-marines would be a seriously cool route to take... and would add the whole "emperor was afraid that they would be too powerful" to the lore in a way that makes sense... you could even have them make female marines for astartes and then female uber-marines for chaos, where fabius bile didn't limit the dosage to create the same level of marines!).

So they're like... Space Marine Space Marines? Are you sure you don't already work for GW?

I find the idea of females being "uber-marines" to be dumb for several reasons.

Andykp wrote:


Let’s draw a line under the baby killing aspect of things, it’s in no way relevant to this topic.

It kinda is when I'm talking about how if you believe in irredeemable evil, the Imperium is it.

Andykp wrote:
No, none of it does. You are try to justify something using pretty shoddy real world science, when the thing yiu are trying to justify is based entirely on made up very shoddy magic sci-fi science. The process of making marines doesn’t specify which chromosomes they are linked to, doesn’t mention any male only hormones (they don’t exist).

I'm not *justfying* something, I'm explaining how something might be the case. There are gene products which are unique to male humans (or rather male mammals), and the process might use those.

Andykp wrote:
But l’ll I indulge your boys vs girls and growth spurts and bone density arguments, they don’t stand up to even the mildest scrutiny. For one, in the made up process of making a marine they are filled with hormones and genetically altered so that there growth is unnatural so any comparison to real world growth rates is flawed because the growth rate and bone densities would be stimulated to an artificial level. Any arguments about x and Y chromosomes is moot to because the process will involve the manipulation of the genetic code, so it would be easy to assume that if they are adding and removing genes and gene switches then why could they not just as easily add any missing x or y based chromosomes? No reason at all.

Specious, specious, specious. It's a sci-fi process, so Astartes could be made from chimpanzees for all I care. But they're stated to be made from young male humans. And bone density might matter very much, you don't know.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
If there is no need for statistical differences in the individual units, is there any thing that says we can't just MAKE the change ourselves, and not wait for GW to catch up?

GW has in the past picked up Fan-cannon and made it real, so why not this?

Kitbash away. This is a pretty big change, and would probably be focus-grouped to oblivion by GW.

 Gert wrote:
In Devastation of Baal, there's a child character who is crippled in body and slightly brain damaged due to an accident during his attempt to become an Astartes. After the battle ends an Apothecary scans him, says apart from minor surgery the child would be perfectly fine for implantation.
If SM can fix brain damage and a ruined body of a child and still turn them into a SM, using female candidates is hardly a stretch.

Maybe it really, *really* needs a male chromosomal arrangement to work.

 Cybtroll wrote:
Ehmn, sorry to rain on your parade, but even assuming that Progenoids only works on Y chromosomes, I still think I deserve my Female Space Marine.

https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/more-women-than-expected-are-genetically-men/

(Brief summary: even XY human can be women. So Marine can literally be women already.... If we go for the genome path. It appears that hormones really play a direct role, and in case of Astartes those are synthetic).

I want to be clear: "male" and "female" are those kind of concepts (others are "true", "right" or "wrong") that apparently and superficially are solid, clear to everyone and undisputed.
Expect that at any more attentive analysis, they aren't: they're social constructs when not entirely fantastic.

To summarize, if becoming a Marine is a more radical alteration than a sex change (and I think it is), everything coated in lore is not a justification AGAINST, but a justification FOR.

Nah, I really don't think so. If one assumes that a fully functional Y chromosome is necessary, or sensitivity to androgens is necessary, then Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome very well might preclude the process working.

Besides, people can be trans regardless of their chromosomal makeup. But I'm guessing you're looking for cis lady Astartes.

I'm very aware of the various conditions described as "intersex" and you can assume I'm speaking in more general terms.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
But in all serious, it's about time we did a cleanup of the house around here. Far too many sexists, phobists, racists, and ilk in the hobby currently. They feel far too comfortable.

And far too many people whose only seeming complaint against totalitarian fascism is that the SS weren't gender-integrated.

Hecaton wrote:
I find the idea of females being "uber-marines" to be dumb for several reasons.

Not just sexism but Other Reasons (tm)! (Dear reader, he will never explain them because GiRlZ NawT AllOwEdeD)

Hecaton wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Let’s draw a line under the baby killing aspect of things, it’s in no way relevant to this topic.

It kinda is when I'm talking about how if you believe in irredeemable evil, the Imperium is it.

You were literally told to knock it off pages ago now. Want to press that point now just to get across how much your conception of the Imperium depends of your... inserting fanon child abuse when the Astartes are literally *right there*?

*snipped a load of terrible bollocks science*


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Hecaton wrote:
Besides, people can be trans regardless of their chromosomal makeup. But I'm guessing you're looking for cis lady Astartes.

I'm very aware of the various conditions described as "intersex" and you can assume I'm speaking in more general terms.

...hand on a forking second...

You're *blatantly* talking about gatekeeping trans people's identities behind a screen of your own conceptualisation of sex and gender. That's what you've been doing all along. By insisting on the performative, you can deny the medical, and by denying the medical you can deny the validity of gender performance,

Dear GOD you people are Boring.

If you need to be told - Women are women, you imbecile. Men are men. Just listen, we're fundamentally the same.

*cue the pseudoscients that somehow have managed to dodge the notion of social construction and human psychology* or worse, have but can't apply it to themselves.

I understand that people would like to have factions be more inclusive, which is fine, but a sword cuts both ways.

Female Space Marines? Go right ahead! It's plausible.

What about male Sisters of Battle?

 Psionara wrote:
I understand that people would like to have factions be more inclusive, which is fine, but a sword cuts both ways.

Female Space Marines? Go right ahead! It's plausible.

What about male Sisters of Battle?

That's been brought up before.

And the general consensus, as far as I can see, from the people who (like me) want female Marines, is "Doesn't need to happen for the same reasons as adding female Marines should, but if that's what happens, okay."

Since Sisters are not the flagship faction, nor are they as customizable as Marines. Not to mention, you can field more men in a Sisters army than you can field women in the rest of the Imperium put together, so... Kinda already there on that.