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Sesto San Giovanni, Italy

I am neither a lawyer but I had to copy a lot of content for training purpose of in my professional career. I can confirm that in Italy you can copy 15% of any book for any "study or education" purposes.

Point is that "study" is basically everything you're doing without immediate business value.
You don't have to be following courses, or the university... or anything and you don't have to prove you're studying: as long as you're not earning money from the copied material you have you're ok.

Also, in Italy you can also literally copy any IP and copyrighted content for satirical or academic reason. ALSO you can copy any content for free use and distribution as long as it's not for profit and it doesn't produce a demonstrable damage to the original owner (yet, differently from US we don't have any fair use or any rules like in US where if you don't pursue in court you lose the rights. Even if you forget an IP for years and ignore a lot of abuses, you won't lose any right).

Which means that yes, you can copy a borrowed book up to 15%. Or use IP protected material as you like as long as you do it for free and don't cause a damage to the rightful owner (for example publishing rules)... or even copying it for profit (or: on YouTube) if it's satire.

Last but not least: there is no "functional" copyright in Italy. Books (and software too!) are protected in how they're written, not what they contain.
I can literally rewrite a GW book with the same rules and value and stat, but as long as I will change specific words (like WS or BS) I'm good. In this case, I'm producing a damage to GW, but what I've created is essentially a competitive ruleset that uses the same miniature... And since no monopoly is legit, I can do that.
Even if I retro-engineer a software and recode it in a different language, as long as it's not a directly translating the original code, I'm good.

Sorry for the OP parenthesis, but many on this forum seems to overestimate the reach of copyright laws in general. The world is a big place (and, for example in China, I don't even think they have Copyright as we mean it).

I can't condone a place where abusers and abused are threated the same: it's destined to doom, so there is no reason to participate in it. 
   
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 Cybtroll wrote:
Sorry for the OP parenthesis, but many on this forum seems to overestimate the reach of copyright laws in general.
Thanks for adding your thoughts, it seems maybe Italy is more lax than other countries.... however I haven't been able to find references online to such allowances in Italy so I'm also hesitant to believe you. When it comes to copyright stuff, people often get their info 3rd hand or misinterpret an allowance that has a different meaning.

The world is a big place (and, for example in China, I don't even think they have Copyright as we mean it).

Even Russia and China do have copyright laws, even specific provisions for copyright of foreign materials, but they do vary and enforcement (especially related to foreign cases) is somewhere between lax and non-existent.

But anyway, sorry I didn't mean to take the thread off topic. I'll just end it by saying don't assume you're allowed to copy something just because someone told you that you can, research it yourself, there's a good chance they're misinterpreting some other allowance which only applies in specific cases.

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Ok is it just me or does that datasheet look like a Warcry datasheet. Though I want that monster there.
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

It's the simplified datasheet that they are now including in the boxes. Not nearly as comprehensive as those included in the codexes.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






 Mr. Grey wrote:
And like I said earlier in this thread, it's taught me to hold off on buying books until I'm absolutely sure that a) I have a painted army to play them with and b) that I'll actually be able to get a good amount of use out of them. I probably won't be getting the ork codex on release either, and I'm done buying supplements for the time being.


I'm very much thinking along the same lines. Been burned a couple of times by my enthusiasm for a new book outpacing my painting capacity to the point I never even get to use the book for a game. Don't think I'll even be buying the Ork book, who have been my main guys since like 1991, until I can get a sense of how army composition may shift about (I'm still hoping against hope for the return of mixed-clan warbands without suffering a hefty CP penalty) and make sure I've got all the right stuff painted.
   
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United Kingdom

 Daedalus81 wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
That's such a weird transliteration in the Japanese: Gazugukkaru Zaraga. The Japanese translation of the blurb above the rules is also awkward and unnatural. Are the Japanese translations of GW products all this bad? I've never looked before.


I'm no expert, but I haven't the foggiest how they were translate that normally. So much info can be lost between romantic and altaic languages. His name is straight gibberish to begin with.



i read somewhere Ghazghkull Thraka was named after Margaret Thatcher, you could try translating that and see what comes out xD

SMASH  
   
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His full name was Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thrakka, so still no help on the Ghaz bit.
   
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What do we reckon the chances are that there'll be a non-mega-armoured Big Mek with KFF with this release? It's the only instance I can think of, off the top of my head, of a unit getting deleted due to lack of model, then coming back *without* a new model. I suppose there's always the chance it'll just disappear again, but if that's what's happening, then why bother reintroducing it in PA?

On the one hand, I feel like we'd have had some indication by now, were it coming, but iirc there are still some new units yet to be revealed. Obviously the focus is on the Beast Snaggas but we know we've got at lease one non-BS kit coming (the new MA Warboss).
   
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 Nazrak wrote:
What do we reckon the chances are that there'll be a non-mega-armoured Big Mek with KFF with this release? It's the only instance I can think of, off the top of my head, of a unit getting deleted due to lack of model, then coming back *without* a new model. I suppose there's always the chance it'll just disappear again, but if that's what's happening, then why bother reintroducing it in PA?

On the one hand, I feel like we'd have had some indication by now, were it coming, but iirc there are still some new units yet to be revealed. Obviously the focus is on the Beast Snaggas but we know we've got at lease one non-BS kit coming (the new MA Warboss).


They did say the beast snagga wave was only "half"

so assuming thats Snagga Boyz, Snagga Boss (presumably the same kit as MA boss considering the art) Squig Riders, Painboss, named Runtherd, and the big squig sled, that would mean potentially 4 kits besides the MA boss coming.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
 Nazrak wrote:
What do we reckon the chances are that there'll be a non-mega-armoured Big Mek with KFF with this release? It's the only instance I can think of, off the top of my head, of a unit getting deleted due to lack of model, then coming back *without* a new model. I suppose there's always the chance it'll just disappear again, but if that's what's happening, then why bother reintroducing it in PA?

On the one hand, I feel like we'd have had some indication by now, were it coming, but iirc there are still some new units yet to be revealed. Obviously the focus is on the Beast Snaggas but we know we've got at lease one non-BS kit coming (the new MA Warboss).


They did say the beast snagga wave was only "half"

so assuming thats Snagga Boyz, Snagga Boss (presumably the same kit as MA boss considering the art) Squig Riders, Painboss, named Runtherd, and the big squig sled, that would mean potentially 4 kits besides the MA boss coming.

By my reckoning, 4 kits (and that's taking "half" to mean "literally as much stuff again still to come") isn't *quite* enough to drag Orks out of Finecast hell, but it could put a pretty big dent in the backlog – off the top of my head there's Weirdboy, Kommandos, Tankbustas and Koptas still languishing, but that's four *without* a KFF Mek. Personally I'd be way more into any of that than the Beasty stuff (although I do quite like the squig riders).

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 the_scotsman wrote:
 Nazrak wrote:
What do we reckon the chances are that there'll be a non-mega-armoured Big Mek with KFF with this release? It's the only instance I can think of, off the top of my head, of a unit getting deleted due to lack of model, then coming back *without* a new model. I suppose there's always the chance it'll just disappear again, but if that's what's happening, then why bother reintroducing it in PA?

On the one hand, I feel like we'd have had some indication by now, were it coming, but iirc there are still some new units yet to be revealed. Obviously the focus is on the Beast Snaggas but we know we've got at lease one non-BS kit coming (the new MA Warboss).


They did say the beast snagga wave was only "half"

so assuming thats Snagga Boyz, Snagga Boss (presumably the same kit as MA boss considering the art) Squig Riders, Painboss, named Runtherd, and the big squig sled, that would mean potentially 4 kits besides the MA boss coming.


I'm still fairly sure that they said the beastsnagga box will contain half the new kits. Which means that we can expect 1-2 kits we don't know about yet at best, and it is possible that we already know about all of them.

I'm also wondering how you think those two arts belong to the same model:
Spoiler:


They look nothing alike.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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While I'd like to be optimistic about getting more Regular Ork stuff, I do suspect we'd likely have seen at least a hint of it by now; I guess they don't want to pull focus from the Snaggas too much, but MA Warboss is just too easy a win to pass up, so they threw that in there too.
   
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 Nazrak wrote:
While I'd like to be optimistic about getting more Regular Ork stuff, I do suspect we'd likely have seen at least a hint of it by now; I guess they don't want to pull focus from the Snaggas too much, but MA Warboss is just too easy a win to pass up, so they threw that in there too.


I'm thinking we will see more news and info ramp up as we pass through the sisters wave front. Last 2 months have been big admech news with little bits of ork/sisters tease, and now mostly sisters news with additional ork teases. I expect soon to be lots or orks news with more 1K Sons/GK teases.
   
 
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