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Since it worked so well for Dhrukari, let's hear it how you would adjust Adeptus Mechanicus?
While not being as effective on their first tournament weekend as Dhrukari right after release, I think some rules are overtuned and should be looked at.

I would start with:
- Change the first half of the Lucius dogma to "incoming hits from weapons with AP1 count as AP0".
- Increase the base points for Ironstrider Ballistarii by 25.
- Change the Enriched Rounds stratagem to cost 1/2cp for <11 and >10 models in the unit respectively. Affected weapons in the unit become Heavy 2 for this turn.

What would you like to see adjusted?

For starters, I would just straight up change enriched rounds to 5+ to hit. It's simply too strong. I'm not 100% sure we need to nerf the defensive buffs if we nerf their offense.

The pteraxii stratagem that lets them return to reserves needs errata -- there's no way they intended it to work like it does.

Lascannon ballistarii maybe need to go up a bit.

1. Enriched rounds to go to a 5+, and stays at 1CP for up to 10 models, 2CP for 11+ (equally the Rangers version to drop to 1CP for 10 models or less as it is a flat 2CP currently).
2. Booster thrust to go to either once per game or cant fly away in the turn they have arrived from reserves.
3. +5ppm base for Ironstirders, +10ppm for the lascannon upgrade (so 70ppm with auto, and 90ppm with las, currently 65 & 75 respectivly)
4. rangers & vanguard to go to 9ppm. you could potentially push these to 10ppm but that might be too far in the other direction.
5. A note that you are unable to stack multiple Manipulus galvanic fields on a single unit.

between these adjustments many competative lists will loose around 60points (or more) for the skitarii, and 75-90points or so for the ironstriders.

I have an amusing one for the enriched rounds, just have every roll of a 1,2, or 3 do a wound to the unit firing. For extra giggles don’t allow rerolls either. Depleted uranium messes everyone up so now your admech can file for disability after using it too.

Up the chicken walkers by like 15 and get rid of every D3+3 weapon. Make them D6 min 3 again.

a_typical_hero wrote:
- Change the Enriched Rounds stratagem to cost 1/2cp for <11 and >10 models in the unit respectively. Affected weapons in the unit become Heavy 1 for this turn.

So, for 2 CP, you go from a squad of 20 dealing 10 auto-wounds and 5 regular wounds to a T6 Monster (like a Daemon Prince) to dealing 10 auto-wounds and .56 regular wounds, assuming you stood still with your 18" guns. If you moved, you don't even get the extra regular wounds.

I get that the stratagem is overtuned-but you're spending CP to be WORSE with that change.

You are right, my value was wrong. Let me correct it to Heavy 2 for twice the output against T6 and up.

a_typical_hero wrote:
You are right, my value was wrong. Let me correct it to Heavy 2 for twice the output against T6 and up.

Heavy 2 would net you 20 wounds, assuming you moved (which is not an unreasonable assumption, given they're 18" guns).

Whereas with no strat, they deal 10 wounds from auto-hits and 5 wounds from needed a 6 on the wound roll. If the opponent is T4-5, they do 20 wounds anyway. I would not want to pay 2 CP to do an average of 1-3 extra unsaved wounds against only T6+ non-vehicle targets. That's not exactly a massive category.

How would you change it?

a_typical_hero wrote:
How would you change it?

I'd probably make it a 5+. Possibly allow it to work on Vehicles too, though maybe that only on a 6.

Would you still keep it at 1CP regardless of unit size?

a_typical_hero wrote:
Would you still keep it at 1CP regardless of unit size?

No. I'd make both the strats 1 CP for 10- and 2 CP for 11+.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Since it worked so well for Dhrukari, let's hear it how you would adjust Adeptus Mechanicus?

I thought AdMech were totally fair and balanced

ENRICHED ROUNDS - works on hit rolls of 5+ instead of 4+ and 2CP for 16+ models.

GALVANIC VOLLEY FIRE - Heavy 2 instead of RF 2.

Remove Progressive abilities from Holy Orders, each Holy Order gets an Aura and an action they can do to reduce Stratagem CP costs. For example Genetors would pay 25 pts to get:

‘Activate Adaptive Mastery (Action): Once per game at the start of your Command phase, this model can start to perform this action. The action is completed at the start of your next Command phase. When it is completed reduce the CP cost of the next Adeptus Mechanicus Battle Tactic Stratagem you use by 1CP.’

Biochemical Aggression: Aura: if this part is active for this model, friendly <FORGE WORLD> KATAPHRON SERVITORS and <FORGE WORLD> CORE units within 6" of this model automatically wound on hit rolls of 6 made with Melee weapons.

No Hypercybernetic Physiology, or maybe no Biomechanical Aggression, just come up with 4 interesting auras. This means AdMech will get their defensive buff even if they go second and they won't need to explain both their basic and advanced ability and it simplifies the Command Phase.

Serberys Raiders' Skirmishing Line should be moved to the end of deployment before finding out who gets to go first. If you want to block your opponent's army from moving at all T1, you gotta take the risk of being a charge target turn 1.

TACTICA OBLIQUA should be used at the end of the AdMech player's Fight phase. I should not auto-fail a multi-charge when you have two units of Raiders blocking my movement.

Adjust points in 3 months to get flyers and chickens under control, maybe give the chickens a 10 point nerf to test the waters.

 vict0988 wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
Since it worked so well for Dhrukari, let's hear it how you would adjust Adeptus Mechanicus?

TACTICA OBLIQUA should be used at the end of the AdMech player's Fight phase. I should not auto-fail a multi-charge when you have two units of Raiders blocking my movement.

You are now allowed to select new targets for the charge after the Ad mech player uses Tactica Obliqua. They can only use it once per charge phase so you can just change targets and only charge the second Serberys Raider unit.

 vict0988 wrote:
GALVANIC VOLLEY FIRE - Heavy 2 instead of RF 2.

You know that Galvanic Rifles are Heavy 2 by default, right?

The smart thing to do would be to just admit that letting Skitarii go up to 20 models was a mistake. If you removed that one thing, they'd probably be fine as they are. This addresses both the offense and defense at once, because both of these things rely on buffs that can only go on one unit. 10 Skitarii buffed offensively or defensively are scary, but manageable. It's when they go to 20 that they become game-breaking.

But GW won't do that because GW doesn't admit fundamental design mistakes like that. So instead enricehd rounds will have to go to a 5+ and cost 2CP on a unit of 11+.

Balistarii need a points nerf, probably +5 base and another +10 on the lascannon.

Other than that, I'd wait and see. The defensive buffs probably need a nerf too, but I wouldn't pull the trigger just yet.