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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Nah, without the games Warhammer dies. The overwhelming majority 'collect' to play the game. We've seen multiple times across the years that when the game improves sales go up, significantly. It may have been arguable in the past, but after the AoS launch and 40k 8th it isn't really up for debate anymore.

I would say main collect to ‘intend’ to play. Actually playing is another matter. But the rationale is there, even if the reality is different.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Nah, without the games Warhammer dies. The overwhelming majority 'collect' to play the game. We've seen multiple times across the years that when the game improves sales go up, significantly. It may have been arguable in the past, but after the AoS launch and 40k 8th it isn't really up for debate anymore.

Mostly when people say a thing "isn't up for debate anymore" they'll provide some solid and relevant data to prove beyond a doubt though won't they? Rather than mere suppositions.

 DaveC wrote:
Holga Clovenhorn Available next Saturday

I'm trying to be happy that more people can get this model, but I can't deny I'm a tiny bit irritated that I queued up for two hours to get it for no reason now.

JWBS wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Nah, without the games Warhammer dies. The overwhelming majority 'collect' to play the game. We've seen multiple times across the years that when the game improves sales go up, significantly. It may have been arguable in the past, but after the AoS launch and 40k 8th it isn't really up for debate anymore.

Mostly when people say a thing "isn't up for debate anymore" they'll provide some solid and relevant data to prove beyond a doubt though won't they? Rather than mere suppositions.

Yeah, they would. It doesn't mean people won't ignore it anyways, though.


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MaxT wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Nah, without the games Warhammer dies. The overwhelming majority 'collect' to play the game. We've seen multiple times across the years that when the game improves sales go up, significantly. It may have been arguable in the past, but after the AoS launch and 40k 8th it isn't really up for debate anymore.

I would say main collect to ‘intend’ to play. Actually playing is another matter. But the rationale is there, even if the reality is different.

That's a fair point.

From my own buying habits, I can see that Start Collecting boxes were a huge success in getting me to buy loads of crap. I picked up loads of them and have been slowly working through them since. They made me quite excited about the games again, because they were accessible.

So far, the Combat Patrols have not had the same impact. But I think that's for two reasons - I already have the SC for many of the factions I am interested in, so I don't need a CP as well in most cases. And the high price on the CP is just above my threshold for "yeah, I'll pick that up!" and into "Hmmm. Do I need this, really?" and that pause means I'm not buying them the same way. Hard to disaggregate the two effects, and of course this is just an anecdote from me.

I started the post with the word "unfortunately", but then I realised nah, it's not really unfortunate that I'm not spending money on boxes of miniatures to sit in my cupboard for years. It's a good thing!

 The Phazer wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Holga Clovenhorn Available next Saturday

I'm trying to be happy that more people can get this model, but I can't deny I'm a tiny bit irritated that I queued up for two hours to get it for no reason now.

I just wish they'd stop having these event-exclusive minis, since not all of us have a Warhammer store nearby or can get out to Adepticon.

This is why the Loot Group exists.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/dragons-are-on-their-way-but-not-before-a-quick-balance-pass

So dragons got pre-release nerf and balance changes ala 40k coming december.

 The Phazer wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Holga Clovenhorn Available next Saturday

I'm trying to be happy that more people can get this model, but I can't deny I'm a tiny bit irritated that I queued up for two hours to get it for no reason now.

That's how I feel about picking up the Sister of Battle boxset. They re-released it at a lower price and included a rhino.

I mean, it's nice people can get the model, but it's why I'm always afraid to pick up any exclusive model off ebay, since the price is higher and it may eventually be re released

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/dragons-are-on-their-way-but-not-before-a-quick-balance-pass

So dragons got pre-release nerf and balance changes ala 40k coming december.

Well at least that confirms the Stormdrakes are out for December. That was still up in the air i believe.

But with the disruption to global shipping, the Stormdrake Guard are being released later than originally planned – which gave the Warhammer Studio extra time to playtest the power of all-dragon lists. As it turned out, they could absolutely steamroll certain armies in a single turn of fire and fury, if they had a few above-the-odds dice rolls.

I'm absolutely sure GW will take notice of this and extend the playtest cycle to make sure stuff like this is caught from now on, and not just because a boat was stuck in a traffic jam somewhere off the coast of ohio.

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/dragons-are-on-their-way-but-not-before-a-quick-balance-pass

So dragons got pre-release nerf and balance changes ala 40k coming december.

Credit where credit is due; a good change and I am glad to see GW stepping up balance efforts.

Just imagine a world where GW did the playtesting before [intended] release...

I mean, giant video game companies like Activision or EA don't do it either, so GW is just following the trend i spose.

Turns out an investor-driven short-term approach is bad in the long term, even for those same investors. Who knew?

Good on GW for reacting this quickly, I guess. But that's one of the least elegant spins I read from the marketing team.

Cronch wrote:
I mean, giant video game companies like Activision or EA don't do it either, so GW is just following the trend i spose.

True. and it's also a lousy way of working, but at least fixes to these are a download.
For GW, it means the printed book is all wrong and that is something that sits on the shelves for maybe 3 years for people to buy.

I really hope GW learn from this.
They basically admitted to "We made up all the info in the book without playtesting. Now we playtested, we realised what a pile of crap it was"

with the main difference, If I buy a faulty EA product and it gets patched later, I get the patched version too
and if I not buy on release but wait I either get the faulty version for less or the patched one

If I buy a GW faulty GW book and it gets patched later, I still have the faulty GW books and no matter how long I wait, I can only buy the faulty version for full price

Cronch wrote:
I'm absolutely sure GW will take notice of this and extend the playtest cycle to make sure stuff like this is caught from now on, and not just because a boat was stuck in a traffic jam somewhere off the coast of ohio.

I can quite assure you, there aren't any cargo ship traffic jams in Lake Erie right now.

Well duh, GW did say they're finally on their way so the traffic jam has been un-jammed. GW tried to save money sending it's cargo through the northwest passage and that's the result.

As for video games and "fixing" stuff, how's that 10-year support for Anthem going?

Holga's sprue looks interesting, different to anything I've got from GW previously myself. Is this indicative of a newer machine/tech that GW is using or a different factory from elsewhere entirely?

Leaked Warscroll on the Maggotkin FB page/TGA has Putrid Blightkings at 5 attacks, -1 Rend.

 Scrub wrote:
Holga's sprue looks interesting, different to anything I've got from GW previously myself. Is this indicative of a newer machine/tech that GW is using or a different factory from elsewhere entirely?

The round sprue twist off thing? It's the same as Japanese blind bag minis and a few event characters, though dunno who made it.

 Irbis wrote:

 Scrub wrote:
Holga's sprue looks interesting, different to anything I've got from GW previously myself. Is this indicative of a newer machine/tech that GW is using or a different factory from elsewhere entirely?

The round sprue twist off thing? It's the same as Japanese blind bag minis and a few event characters, though dunno who made it.

GW has outsourced sprue production to WGF in the past and WGF does produce sprues with the rounded shape. They might have outsource full machining to of the mold to WGF for this one due to backlogs.

I can't remember but were the previous MTO characters available through 3rd party retailers? If so, I am surprised to see that Holga hasn't been listed by any of the usual suspects in the UK..

Looks like Nurgle could be getting a wee bit of a buff

Am I the only one who ordered Holga today?

I've wanted that model ever since I saw the first photos and to be honest, $35 with free shipping wasn't a bad price.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Am I the only one who ordered Holga today?

I've wanted that model ever since I saw the first photos and to be honest, $35 with free shipping wasn't a bad price.

Getting 2. One for the model as is, another for conversion potential. Going to switch out the head and arms, or just the head and a different weapon. Perhaps something from a Blightking kit to recreate the old Chaos Lord of Nurgle who had a similiar pose.

I appreciate the fact that they made the flowing hair separate from the rest of the model, as far as I can tell. Will make switching out parts easier and less work to convert.

I kind of want her but at the same time my Slaves to Darkness force is more themed toward Slaanesh/Conan styles and she's sort of more generic Chaos Warrior. Which is 100% fantastic it just might not be quite enough for me at this time. If she came out 3 months ago or in 3 months chances are I'd be all over the model.

Interesting to hear that Holga was outsourced, it's a really lovely model too and the sprue gate connections look super clean and easy to... err, clean. Torn on whether to pick one up though, I mean it's still £20 that could go towards a Battleforce instead tbh.