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@Dok- I don’t think you’ve factored in that disney get 100% of a D+ payment compared to some smaller proportion of cinema sales. If Disney gets 50% of the cinema take (which a cursory glance at the internet suggest people might be the case especially in the first couple of weeks of release) then the D+ take is equivalent to 2x that in cinema sales. So the D+ release appears to be equivalent to about half the current worldwide cinema take. That seems pretty good.

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A very fair point.

However, that is going to be somewhat offset by the fact peeps like me that bought it on D+ won’t need to buy it again for home media.


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Mind you, with D+ I wouldn’t be paying for a separate home media release anyway.

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I suspect the Mouse's take on a first run would be closer to 70%, unless the Event has impacted rates, its why snacks and wotnot are so pricey at the Cinema

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Part of the issue I had read was it didn’t release in China right away, and with it being D+ it made a high def pirated copy immediately available on the internet right away instead.

 
   
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I couldn't finish it. Yelena and the Red Guardian (it still fits!...I haven't washed it...) had some good moments, but I'm not sure if it was the streaming quality or what but the lighting and special effects looked very 'made for tv'. Cars blown into the air with perfect undercarriages once flipped over, stuff that felt like Legolas doing his Mario impression up some falling blocks, and I swear I could almost see the green/blue screen lines at times.

There was nothing here to really hook me.

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Apparently ScarJo is suing disney because they did a streaming release at the same time and her contract "Garenteed a theatrical release" and that her salary was based in part onn the movies sucess
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/scarlett-johansson-sues-disney-over-174948480.html

My guess is this'll be settled out of court. Disney'll pony up a bonus due to the "unforseen covid pandemic" and it'll be forgotten about.


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BrianDavion wrote:
Apparently ScarJo is suing disney because they did a streaming release at the same time and her contract "Garenteed a theatrical release" and that her salary was based in part onn the movies sucess
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/scarlett-johansson-sues-disney-over-174948480.html

My guess is this'll be settled out of court. Disney'll pony up a bonus due to the "unforseen covid pandemic" and it'll be forgotten about.



Completely reasonable on her part.

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There's likely to be a lot of this. After all, it's what happened to New Mutants and I'm sure WB is going to get hit with a bunch of these.
   
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I am sure her original contract did not include any clauses about a cut of the premier access profits. If Disney gives her her % from that then all is cool. If they don't. Thats gakky. But I can also see her being upset about "what could have been" since nobody really knows the impact of this on actual box office performance at this point.


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Is this 'business as usual'? I mean, it's the USA, right? People sue each other all the time, yeah?

Or is it confirmation that Scarlett feels that her time with Marvel/Disney has come to a definite end and the legal move isn't going to jeopardize any further possible projects?
   
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Might also be an attempt to get some kind of precedent set for such pay arrangements.

As I set out above, for every person that coughs up for the streaming, there are predictable numbers of others who can share that access entirely legally.

Whereas a Cinema ticket is for one person. So each sale is not directly comparable. Sure, there will people watching on Disney+ who will be the only person watching. But in my flat, I can comfortably sit six people, on a pretty nice setup. So the argument can be made that the streaming is indeed artificially limiting the earning potential of someone who is getting a slice of the box office, as the five others I invite round are much less likely to then cough up themselves.

It’s also likely that she signed up to the pay deal before there was any consideration it might get anything but a purely cinematic release (unprecedented events and actions being unprecedented)

Hell, it’s even somewhat plausible that Disney agreed to this specifically to set that precedent, for all we know.

   
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It's still the pandemic hey.

I don't think anything is getting good box office numbers at the moment is it?

No way I would go to the cinema at the moment. But a friend and I that share Disney + went halves on it (£10 each I thought was reasonable) - so that's money that went to Disney that wouldn't have otherwise. I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat.

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It’s probably partly to cover lost earnings (particularly given that SJ was effectively marginalised during phase 1 & 2 as a secondary character, so wouldn’t have been getting as much as the leads), but probably more a negotiating tactic / scene setting for future contracts (i.e. it won’t just be a stake of box office take, but also profits from simultaneous streaming release). I imagine there’s a lot of actors & directors that will be looking into similar arrangements for future projects.

Either way, keeps the lawyers in business…

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I'm more or less of the same mind as Doc, plus movie accounting is one of the darkest arts so its good someone with a degree of clout is taking a swing

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On the other hand, why burn that bridge?

 Flinty wrote:
@Dok- I don’t think you’ve factored in that disney get 100% of a D+ payment compared to some smaller proportion of cinema sales. If Disney gets 50% of the cinema take (which a cursory glance at the internet suggest people might be the case especially in the first couple of weeks of release) then the D+ take is equivalent to 2x that in cinema sales. So the D+ release appears to be equivalent to about half the current worldwide cinema take. That seems pretty good.
Disney's deals for movies are often well in their favour, with 70 splits (or higher) their way over the more common 66/33 split that most distributors/studios negotiate.

Fact of the matter is that the studio always takes the lion's share of the profits from a film. Movie theatres generally get 1/3rd of the ticket sales. This is why the candy bar costs so much. They have to make their money somehow!

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I doubt there's really any malice on either side here. Someone on Disney's end knew they were breaking the contract to release it on Disney+; decided it was an acceptable loss to unclog the Marvel engine and get this film out in the most profitable way they can manage and settling with ScarJo is a lot cheaper than renegotiating the contract on a long complete film. ScarJo needs to file a suit, the matter will be dealt with and everyone will be a little richer than they would have been had they stuck with the "wait for theaters to recover" plan any longer.

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 LunarSol wrote:
I doubt there's really any malice on either side here. Someone on Disney's end knew they were breaking the contract to release it on Disney+; decided it was an acceptable loss to unclog the Marvel engine and get this film out in the most profitable way they can manage and settling with ScarJo is a lot cheaper than renegotiating the contract on a long complete film. ScarJo needs to file a suit, the matter will be dealt with and everyone will be a little richer than they would have been had they stuck with the "wait for theaters to recover" plan any longer.


Yes, all of this. It's super common for A lister stars to typically make less in direct profits and more in a percentage off the top, so Disney clearly knew it was going to be screwing her, and decided to do it anyway because settling with her would be cheaper. Unfortunately this seems to be pretty standard with Disney after the "we don't have to pay writers" thing.

I hope she gets a hefty settlement because she delivered in good faith, and also to (ideally) dissuade this kind of behavior in the future.

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One one hand, a contract's a contract.

On the other hand, why burn that bridge?

 Flinty wrote:
@Dok- I don’t think you’ve factored in that disney get 100% of a D+ payment compared to some smaller proportion of cinema sales. If Disney gets 50% of the cinema take (which a cursory glance at the internet suggest people might be the case especially in the first couple of weeks of release) then the D+ take is equivalent to 2x that in cinema sales. So the D+ release appears to be equivalent to about half the current worldwide cinema take. That seems pretty good.
Disney's deals for movies are often well in their favour, with 70 splits (or higher) their way over the more common 66/33 split that most distributors/studios negotiate.

Fact of the matter is that the studio always takes the lion's share of the profits from a film. Movie theatres generally get 1/3rd of the ticket sales. This is why the candy bar costs so much. They have to make their money somehow!



No bridge to burn. Her character is already written out.

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It's an odd situation. It's not like ScarJo really wanted to hold them to the existing deal. COVID just made it a bad set of rules for both parties who were both losing money the longer it sat. Renegotiating it with zero leverage or even real precedent would likely have been even uglier to the point where she probably got a heads up. We're going to break the contract, see how much we make off this new distribution method, then you sue us for equitable "worth" and we all make what we were "supposed" to.

Remember, she's an executive producer on this, which is mostly Disney giving their talent some resume credits to give them future career prospects. Effectively though, it means she put her own money in the film and is an "investor" in the results. A lawsuit is just how you fix a contract that's hurting both parties. You need lawyers either way so they might as well do it through the proper channels.
   
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Definitely an unknown ground issue in my completely uninformed opinion.

Which may well require a court to thrash it out. The actors and studios both have a vested interest in how far they can work their respective tickets.

   
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Is this 'business as usual'? I mean, it's the USA, right? People sue each other all the time, yeah?

Or is it confirmation that Scarlett feels that her time with Marvel/Disney has come to a definite end and the legal move isn't going to jeopardize any further possible projects?


Well, her character is Dead 10 dead, and her solo movie wound up a rather mediocre film. Odds are Marvel done with her so why not?

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 Frazzled wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One one hand, a contract's a contract.

On the other hand, why burn that bridge?

 Flinty wrote:
@Dok- I don’t think you’ve factored in that disney get 100% of a D+ payment compared to some smaller proportion of cinema sales. If Disney gets 50% of the cinema take (which a cursory glance at the internet suggest people might be the case especially in the first couple of weeks of release) then the D+ take is equivalent to 2x that in cinema sales. So the D+ release appears to be equivalent to about half the current worldwide cinema take. That seems pretty good.
Disney's deals for movies are often well in their favour, with 70 splits (or higher) their way over the more common 66/33 split that most distributors/studios negotiate.

Fact of the matter is that the studio always takes the lion's share of the profits from a film. Movie theatres generally get 1/3rd of the ticket sales. This is why the candy bar costs so much. They have to make their money somehow!



No bridge to burn. Her character is already written out.


Not nearly that simple. It affects how other studios will look at hiring her as well.
No idea how Hollywood in general will take this, but if it paints her in Hollywood eyes as someone who 'upsets the applecart,' she might well lose some call backs for other roles. Or get squeezed out entirely (especially given that she's coming on 40 in a few years and Hollywood will probably be looking to discard her anyway, unless she makes the jump from 'sexy action' to 'matronly' roles),
On the other hand, Disney being too hardnosed about sticking to the contract, it could affect their relationships with other actors (and the hundreds of others that work on various films)

Its a risk for both sides depending on how it all plays out. I don't have much sympathy for either, frankly. At any point when you're talking about $50 million to a single person or corporation instead of $20 million I figure they can all go feth themselves and spend the difference on actually helping people instead. No one getting the money is going to miss it in a real way other than a scorecard.

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Even if she’s done with the MCU (and that’s not 100% given the timey wimey multiverse stuff they’re doing in phase 4), Disney now own Fox; with an awful lot of film and high-end TV production in their court, SJ is likely to have/want to work for them again.

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 Jadenim wrote:
Even if she’s done with the MCU (and that’s not 100% given the timey wimey multiverse stuff they’re doing in phase 4), Disney now own Fox; with an awful lot of film and high-end TV production in their court, SJ is likely to have/want to work for them again.


Assuming she's not looking to retire at this point. She's worth over $150 million; more than enough to enjoy a lengthy and very comfortable retirement... or even semi-retirement where she occasionally takes roles she's really interested in regardless of pay.

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I've seen reports that Feige is also not happy with Disney over this.

Also that Disney asked Feige not to bring her back. Not sure if any of it is true. Everything I have read has rumor all over it.


Lol my autocorrect changed Feige to Fridge, I should have left it
   
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 Dreadwinter wrote:
I've seen reports that Feige is also not happy with Disney over this.

Also that Disney asked Feige not to bring her back. Not sure if any of it is true. Everything I have read has rumor all over it.


Lol my autocorrect changed Feige to Fridge, I should have left it


Given the trope of 'Fridging' female characters and Disney's apparent disinterest in doing anything really worthwhile with Black Widow, it's probably for the best you changed it.

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Finally watched the film. I would say a solid 3 stars, without David Harbour (who seems to have most of the good lines and was thoroughly entertaining) it would probably have been a 2-star. Perhaps also for Ray Winstone for trying to do a different accent, partially successfully!

I suppose the issue for MCU is that so many of the films have been excellent, and therefore you expect more from them.

It felt a little bit like reading some of the Horus Heresy novels or short stories that are just there to fill in the gaps. You know the start point, you know the end point, and so the script writers are limited in terms of what they can produce; there is never going to be anything earth shattering.

I'll also say it here: Think ScaJo is over-rated as an actor. David Harbour and Florence Pugh both made her performance seem flat by comparison. It actually made me think they could have gone for an actor that has some vitality or exuberance about them, and they would have brought more energy to the role. Just my tuppence there!

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I like ScarJo just fine as an actress, but I think the Black Widow character in general has been fairly disappointing, and I look forward to her being replaced by Florence Pugh to maybe shake things up.

I think ScarJo's BW peaked in Iron Man 2, plateaued through to Avengers, and it was a steep decline from there. They just never seemed to have any good idea of what to do with her, which is why I think her movie was sort of doomed to be middling at best.


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