flaming tadpole wrote:
Interesting seeing no killrigs in any of the top Goff lists recently. Mostly just msu spam with a pair of wazboms. Good to see them make it to a couple top tables at respectable size gt.

 Tomsug wrote:
Any rumours, when shall we expect the 10th?

Because I read this “Jan23 unless superseeded by codex” as “valid until we say otherwise, propably until new codex…

tneva82 wrote:
Except books don't follow same order between editions. Only thing we can be fairly sure is marines get theirs early.

Last codex of 8e was among first ones in 9e(especially if you factor supplements away).

And supplements might just be invalidated in grand sweep. Vigilus supplements got invalidated at the start of 9e with simple statement. Generally with GW you take risk if you make extreme armies. One day odds are you get nerfed or flat out invalidated.

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah...the Stompa is so hopelessly outgunned by other Super heavies AND non-superheavies that it's a joke how milequetoast our weapons are. Just look at the Hekaton Land Fortress (even post-nerf) and compare how much better it is. No built in invuln., only a 3+ save, no ramshackle even, which including the profile of the Stompa and lack of fly makes them unwieldy and borderline impossible to hide in most tables. I always felt that if they were going to make Mork/Gorkanauts actual super heavies, that simply bumping them up to 24 wounds wasn't enough.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
Knock it down to 650 points, make all of its big shootas twin Big shootas, T9, 2+/5++, 50 wounds, Super Gatler goes to 36/24, and give it the +1 to hit at half range that the kill tank has, and I still probably wouldn't take it outside of meme lists

The only way to make the Stompa viable is to make it absurdly cheap, give it some movement and shooting shenanigans so it can actually function, or make it really strong and make it Apoc only

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think it's silly that the Stompa is treated as a Knight equivalent when it really isn't. It's a Titan equivalent.

Fair enough if Morks and Gorks get the Knight treatment, but Stompas should be out hunting the really big game targets.

Or sack it all off and give me a gargant datasheet worthy of the name

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think it's silly that the Stompa is treated as a Knight equivalent when it really isn't. It's a Titan equivalent.

cody.d. wrote:
Isn't the stompa more like a boy? It's got a slugga yeah, but the choppa is where it's meant to make it's points back. The mega choppa is fairly nice IMO, DMG 9 is fun for the memes if nothing else. The swing is decent for taking apart 3 wound models too, maybe ap3 would have been nice though.

Personally I think it needs a proper stomp attack as well. Either something that just pastes a single model ignoring invuls and wound negation but only has a single attack to represent the entirety of it's weight coming down on someone, or just a storm of weak attacks so it can rampage through a unit or two of chaff without even looking at them.

I guess I should put my money where my mouth is and actually try and take the things to an event. But our walkers of all sorts need a few more tricks to support them. From deffdreads to nauts and stompas.

cody.d. wrote:
I coulda sworn there was a stratagem to let you be treated as top bracket, for stompas and nauts. I know it's a bandaid fix and you're right about the degrading profile.

But yes, in a lot of situations you'd require house rules or knowledge of the terrain layout before hand to decide if you can even try to use the stompa on a board with a recommended amount of terrain. Though a lot of tourneys i've been to tend to be a little light sometimes.

The comments about the basic game rules not being suited for a model of the stompa's size do hold true I suppose. What could GW do besides either make it a gun platform or allow it to attack any unit inside a ruin or other terrain piece acting as if it was in base contact with everyone in the footprint. Which could lead to some iffy scenarios. Like a hidden melee anti tank unit getting in combat when the stompa dosen't want it.

Aqaue3 wrote:
I am trying to wrap my head around Björn Eriksson's Evil Sunz Speedmob.list, but I simply cannot see what is the point of bringing nobz on warbikes instead of standard warbikers.
The Goonhammer article argues the obsec ability on the nobz as an extra, but the warbikers have that AND the core keyword (more potential bodies for Get Da Good Bitz)...
Björn did not purchase any additional spec close combat weapon to the Nobz to make them more potent in CC, just barebone choppas. The +1 A & S justifies the additional 5 points / model? From wound perspective Nobz are even worse than the regular bikers (boss nob being 4 W instead of 3).
Am I missing some killer combo here?

 Afrodactyl wrote:

Aqaue3 wrote:
I am trying to wrap my head around Björn Eriksson's Evil Sunz Speedmob.list, but I simply cannot see what is the point of bringing nobz on warbikes instead of standard warbikers.
The Goonhammer article argues the obsec ability on the nobz as an extra, but the warbikers have that AND the core keyword (more potential bodies for Get Da Good Bitz)...
Björn did not purchase any additional spec close combat weapon to the Nobz to make them more potent in CC, just barebone choppas. The +1 A & S justifies the additional 5 points / model? From wound perspective Nobz are even worse than the regular bikers (boss nob being 4 W instead of 3).
Am I missing some killer combo here?

Purely rule of three and redundancy. He's going specifically for MSU bikers, and by taking Nob Bikers he can have six units instead of being stuck at three. The jets, buggies and Warboss are doing all of the heavy lifting as far as damage is concerned, and the Nob Bikers and Warbikers are there to score objectives.