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if a rule says i can reroll any or all hit rolls, what does it truly mean?

lets say im doing 5 attack, so i roll 5 dices right
turns out i got 3 succesfull hit, and 2 fails, now i can choose to reroll all or any hit roll

the ALL part i understand

how about the ANY?
does ANY mean i can roll the 2 failed rolls, or just 1?

I was in a dispute in a game before, i thought ANY means i can choose to re-roll any amount of dice i wanted
but my friend said ANY means only re-rolling 1 dice

which one is right?

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It means you can pick and choose which dice to re-roll, you can re-roll one, all of them or any number in between at your own discretion.

Edit:

Can you quote the specific wording of the particular rule in question?

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andytan24 wrote:
if a rule says i can reroll any or all hit rolls, what does it truly mean?

lets say im doing 5 attack, so i roll 5 dices right
turns out i got 3 succesfull hit, and 2 fails, now i can choose to reroll all or any hit roll

the ALL part i understand

how about the ANY?
does ANY mean i can roll the 2 failed rolls, or just 1?

I was in a dispute in a game before, i thought ANY means i can choose to re-roll any amount of dice i wanted
but my friend said ANY means only re-rolling 1 dice

which one is right?



if a rule says "any and all dice", then yes, you can choose any dice you wish to reroll, be at all, none or just a few specific ones. bear in mind you can choose to re-roll a success, as well as failure, if you wanted to and felt it was beneficial (for example, re-rolling an WS 2+ attack, where you get a extra hit on a roll of 6, it might be worth the risk of re-rolling a hit to fish of a second one).

your opponent either misunderstood the wording, or was trying to cheat by limiting your access to re-rolls.


that said, i'd also like to know exactly which rule he was objecting to, as some really are for one dice (command reroll strat, for example), so exact wording is important.

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Actually you would only get to reroll one of the dice in this situation. This is due to the fact that you are making multiple attacks rolls at the same time (called fast rolling). By the rules you are supposed to roll each attack seperately. Since you can only use the reroll stratagem once per round you can only reroll one attack roll either to hit or to wound. You do not get to reroll more dice just because you rolled them all at the same time.

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Aash wrote:It means you can pick and choose which dice to re-roll, you can re-roll one, all of them or any number in between at your own discretion.

Edit:

Can you quote the specific wording of the particular rule in question?


xerxeskingofking wrote:
andytan24 wrote:
if a rule says i can reroll any or all hit rolls, what does it truly mean?

lets say im doing 5 attack, so i roll 5 dices right
turns out i got 3 succesfull hit, and 2 fails, now i can choose to reroll all or any hit roll

the ALL part i understand

how about the ANY?
does ANY mean i can roll the 2 failed rolls, or just 1?

I was in a dispute in a game before, i thought ANY means i can choose to re-roll any amount of dice i wanted
but my friend said ANY means only re-rolling 1 dice

which one is right?



if a rule says "any and all dice", then yes, you can choose any dice you wish to reroll, be at all, none or just a few specific ones. bear in mind you can choose to re-roll a success, as well as failure, if you wanted to and felt it was beneficial (for example, re-rolling an WS 2+ attack, where you get a extra hit on a roll of 6, it might be worth the risk of re-rolling a hit to fish of a second one).

your opponent either misunderstood the wording, or was trying to cheat by limiting your access to re-rolls.


that said, i'd also like to know exactly which rule he was objecting to, as some really are for one dice (command reroll strat, for example), so exact wording is important.


Leo_the_Rat wrote:Actually you would only get to reroll one of the dice in this situation. This is due to the fact that you are making multiple attacks rolls at the same time (called fast rolling). By the rules you are supposed to roll each attack seperately. Since you can only use the reroll stratagem once per round you can only reroll one attack roll either to hit or to wound. You do not get to reroll more dice just because you rolled them all at the same time.



@Leo_the_Rat no,this is not an effect from the reroll stratagem

this is a Kommando Dakka Boy ability from the new Kill Team

"If the enemy is within certain range, you can reroll ANY or ALL attack dice"
(in the new KillTeam, there are no wound roll, just attack(hit) roll)
   
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The sentence:

"If the enemy is within certain range, you can reroll any or all attack dice."

Can be reworded to:

"If the enemy is within certain range, you can reroll any attack dice. If the enemy is within certain range, you can reroll all attack dice."

In English, that's what the word "or" means when placed between two adjectives/determiners (i.e. words that either describe or define a noun).

This means that it is perfectly fine to pick up and reroll any attack dice of your choice.
   
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dorset

Then I stand by my comments, you can re roll as many or as few as you like

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Spoiler:
andytan24 wrote:
Aash wrote:It means you can pick and choose which dice to re-roll, you can re-roll one, all of them or any number in between at your own discretion.

Edit:

Can you quote the specific wording of the particular rule in question?


xerxeskingofking wrote:
andytan24 wrote:
if a rule says i can reroll any or all hit rolls, what does it truly mean?

lets say im doing 5 attack, so i roll 5 dices right
turns out i got 3 succesfull hit, and 2 fails, now i can choose to reroll all or any hit roll

the ALL part i understand

how about the ANY?
does ANY mean i can roll the 2 failed rolls, or just 1?

I was in a dispute in a game before, i thought ANY means i can choose to re-roll any amount of dice i wanted
but my friend said ANY means only re-rolling 1 dice

which one is right?



if a rule says "any and all dice", then yes, you can choose any dice you wish to reroll, be at all, none or just a few specific ones. bear in mind you can choose to re-roll a success, as well as failure, if you wanted to and felt it was beneficial (for example, re-rolling an WS 2+ attack, where you get a extra hit on a roll of 6, it might be worth the risk of re-rolling a hit to fish of a second one).

your opponent either misunderstood the wording, or was trying to cheat by limiting your access to re-rolls.


that said, i'd also like to know exactly which rule he was objecting to, as some really are for one dice (command reroll strat, for example), so exact wording is important.


Leo_the_Rat wrote:Actually you would only get to reroll one of the dice in this situation. This is due to the fact that you are making multiple attacks rolls at the same time (called fast rolling). By the rules you are supposed to roll each attack seperately. Since you can only use the reroll stratagem once per round you can only reroll one attack roll either to hit or to wound. You do not get to reroll more dice just because you rolled them all at the same time.



@Leo_the_Rat no,this is not an effect from the reroll stratagem

this is a Kommando Dakka Boy ability from the new Kill Team

"If the enemy is within certain range, you can reroll ANY or ALL attack dice"
(in the new KillTeam, there are no wound roll, just attack(hit) roll)


Thanks for the clarification.

It definitely means you can reroll as few or as many of the dice as you choose.

“Any or all” is a standard phrase used to mean this and is often used in rules and legal documents:
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/any-or-all
   
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Kill Team has nothing to do with the 40k rules. You cant ask KT rule questions in YMDC of 40k. Any or all dice can have a different meaning in the kill team rules.

This is the Kill Team subforum : https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/57.page

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In defense of my answer I assumed that this was a 40k question and needed answering per 40k rules. There is/was no way to knowing that this was a KT question prior to my answering the question.
   
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Just to add complication?

Not all re-roll parameters and rules are the same.

   
 
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