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 Overread wrote:

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PenitentJake wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.


I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.



The use of hovering tanks puts it after certain key events in the setting as they only appeared after the Imperium regained a Primarch who was brought back to life partly through alliance and influences with the Eldar. Of course you are right, this story might reflect a time where the Alliance has broken down in the future and the Eldar are openly at war with the Imperium at large.


Ahh- thanks. Not knowing the difference between cartoon Primaris and Oldmarines is one thing, but I can't believe I missed the hover tanks.

Now I get it.

Could be that the marines weren't there specifically to fight the eldar? Like maybe there was something on the planet the marines wanted, and the eldar didn't want them to have it?

Even in Gathering Storm though, Marines were a problem for the Eldar- like when Eldrad could have finished a ritual that ended Slaanesh, but dumb ole Artemis just had to shoot him in the face before he could finish... (that's if I'm remembering correctly).
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
... what were the indicators that this is set post rift?
The Primaris Marines were a dead giveaway.

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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
My only gripe, and I don't know if anyone else has found this.... the sound of the videos. It's so low. I use my PC for games, work and music. The sound level of core windows is at 40/100 and none of my games or music apps are at max. They all sound perfect. But, I can barely hear the W+ sound unless I increase the main windows volume up so high that any other sound from the PC is way too high. (and yes, I have maxed the volume in the W+ window).


That's my experience as well, generally speaking. I have to double the volume of my headset to its maximum to get a similar sound level to other stuff.

Definitely something GW should look into.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.
I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.


Umm, nope? No, seriously, what makes you think that? 40k has been on a downward spiral of sensible alliances and practicality over doctrine for over a decade. I for one like that the writers remembered that the Imperium shouldn't let such silly considerations as practicality and consequences get in the way of doing the right thing.

Beats bro-fisting Blood Angels and Necrons any day of the week.

Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:
... what were the indicators that this is set post rift?
The Primaris Marines were a dead giveaway.
That immediately broke immersion for me. Not for the diplomacy but for this supposedly being an event that occured a long time previous. Decades is hardly a long time to Eldar.

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 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.


Why is that? Is your outlook on the setting too gloomy? Or the writers?

Or something else?

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 Geifer wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Also, yeah, in spite of starring pointy eared freaks, Garden of Ghosts may be the best Hammer and Bolter episode yet.


It definitely elicited emotions, which was weird for a Warhammer cartoon.


Why is that? Is your outlook on the setting too gloomy? Or the writers?

Or something else?


Probably my personal history with loss - but that's too gloomy for forums.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:

Could be that the marines weren't there specifically to fight the eldar? Like maybe there was something on the planet the marines wanted, and the eldar didn't want them to have it?


the whole episode is explicitly set on a now-abandoned craftworld, which was abandoned because these primaris ultramarines had attacked it with enough force to drive the eldar to literally abandon their home (which means it can't have happened before the start of the Indomitus Crusade, and the general deployment of primaris) . One of the characters, a fully grown adult and trained warlock, was a child at the time of the battle (and remembers the events), and another character, also fully grown and a Ranger, was not even born at the time of the craftworlds loss. Given the apparent time between the two events (enough for a full generation of eldar to grow into young adulthood, at the very least), we can come to the conclusion that the episodes "present" is very likely to be in the "future" of the current 40K timeline where it has been only ~10 years since the start of the Indomitus Crusade (thought not the pre-retcon timeline of over 300 years since the start, notably). I think this episode just got caught out by the change in the "present" time, and is set about 300 years into the crusade, or the "Old" present time.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

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Interesting- perhaps there is a canonical conflict coming which will be that battle. Like maybe the CWE release will include some background with them fighting against marines.

Honestly, I need to watch the episode again- I had the sound way down and there were distractions- I missed the hover tank, and I didn't catch that it was a craftworld- the battle looked like it took place on a planet- though of course I know craftworlds are big enough to have large contained areas that look like natural landscapes.
   
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This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol
   
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shadowsfm wrote:
This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol

This one is good. The reload sound effects of the Tech-priest. Lol.
   
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I'm still holding off on it. I'm not super interested in the minis - I'd only be interested in the animation - and the value just is not there for me yet.

I'll keep checking in until they build up enough content to make it worthwhile, assuming they can make it that long. I'm not averse to the idea of a warhammer streaming service, I just think they launched much, much too early without having enough content to make it worthwhile.


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 necrontyrOG wrote:
shadowsfm wrote:
This week on hammer and bolter is adeptus mechanicus vs orks called kill protocol

This one is good. The reload sound effects of the Tech-priest. Lol.


I loved that!

Honestly I felt like this was a really great one, perhaps better than the Eldar. The Ad Mech was ever so Ad Mech in attitude and action; a perfect mix of cold calculating machine and yet a slight weakness of the flesh hidden behind the veil.

Also this


I feel like HB has some really good artwork within it and styles. Yes they need more budget for more frames per second and to have larger groups of active characters and I really hope the team behind it gets it because darn I want to see more of this style of story telling.

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What stood out for me was the pre age of strife special effects. I can only wish my imagination is as good as the talent warhammer plus has

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My opinion. I'm disappointed with it and I'm keeping my sub lol.

It's a waste of money, ill admit it. I just don't care because it's not that big of a deal at its price point. I enjoyed angel of death and hammer/bolter. But 2 shows that dont even show up every week is not a streaming service in my eyes. You can say they have other things like BR, lore and Tutorials but much better versions of that can be found on YT. I'd never recommend anyone else subscribing to it unless they have kids or something for a family to enjoy every so often.
   
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cadia stands against tyranids is one of the weaker episodes of hammer and bolter
   
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shadowsfm wrote:
cadia stands against tyranids is one of the weaker episodes of hammer and bolter


I feel like the story works for a short and it sets the scene well. It's a very simple story though and feels "fast" compared to the Ad Mech episode that came right before. That said it is a fast story but not a rushed story. It does highlight again how limited budget they are with animation and their heavy use of single slides and such.

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I decided to give Warhammer plus a try last month when they offered a month at half price. I’ve just cancelled my subscription.

At half price I might be tempted to keep it, but not at full price. I watched the hammer and bolter stuff and it was fine, but nothing spectacular. I gave the angels of death cartoon a go, but lost interest and didn’t finish watching it. I found it too much style over substance. The painting masterclasses were good, but no better than what’s available free elsewhere online, and the same for the lore programmes.

If I played more regularly, the army builder and access to online rules would be tempting, but I only play infrequently, and for a monthly subscription I think you should get full access to the rules without needing to buy codex books or supplements etc.

I might dip my toe back in if it’s still around in a year or so if the content library is significantly larger.

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.

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Just watched it literally 10 minutes ago. I agree with both of these comments. The "Cadia Stands" quotes had suitable emotional resonance, but I wanted 30-45 seconds more at the beginning and end with the commanders to frame the episode and examine the big picture.

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.

Compared to some of the other episodes- though, a little light... And odd, because the other weak one for me was Old Bale Eye- both Guard heavy stories.

So the next time H&B hits guard content, they need to knock it out of the park.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.


don't like how that implies that GW isn't interested in any of the other imperial guard regiments and is all being funneled into cadia
   
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Aash wrote:

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.



I think they know quite well, for Eisenhorn to be done correctly, it will be a fairly hefty budget, something GW will be priced out of producing themselves, and no production company is going to agree to have it on a fairly niche subscription channel that most likely is not bringing in the numbers to support such a project, let along make a profit from it.

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shadowsfm wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

I do like the "We are all Cadia now" vibe.


don't like how that implies that GW isn't interested in any of the other imperial guard regiments and is all being funneled into cadia


That's totally fair- this is a really good point.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Aash wrote:

The fact that in the recent GW quarterly report says they are shopping the Eisenhorn show around for distributors suggests that live action isn’t going to be included in Warhammer plus, so that’s another strike against it. It makes sense I suppose since a premium live action show on a platform like Netflix or Amazon Prime is likely to get much wider attention and drive more people towards the hobby, but for Warhammer plus subscribers not to get access to what is likely to be the crown jewel in GW’s first foray into television seems like a kick in the teeth to loyal fans.



I think they know quite well, for Eisenhorn to be done correctly, it will be a fairly hefty budget, something GW will be priced out of producing themselves, and no production company is going to agree to have it on a fairly niche subscription channel that most likely is not bringing in the numbers to support such a project, let along make a profit from it.


They will likely be able to host it in both places; they may have to put the season up out of synch in order to ensure that the studio and the primary platform make their money from the first run. WH+ could host all the behind the scenes extras for the first run of each season, then put up the actual episode once the next season begins. They'll also do cross-overs like the AoD episode of Battle Report, and a "How to Paint Eisenhorn" plus Loremasters episodes for all things Eisenhorn.

Maybe even Eisenhorn promo minis with sub, though that's more likely to be mainstream BL commemorative mini-release.
   
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Marketing shows outside of Warhammer Plus was always going to happen. Warhamer Plus maintains the market, it doesn't grow the market. Getting their shows to mirror on other platforms means exposing to a much wider audience and that means the potential of drawing more people into Warhammer as a brand.

I fully expect them to show the shows on Warhammer Plus as well as other platforms; might be out of sync, might be in sync or whatever; but I wouldn't expect GW to not show them on Warhammer Plus. That would be a kick in the teeth to their core market and it might well result in a big wave of protest drops which they don't want. They want everyone in Warhammer on Warhammer plus

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Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +

Subscribe to White Dwarf? Is it 1999 again?

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Voss wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +

Subscribe to White Dwarf? Is it 1999 again?


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/White-Dwarf-12-month-sub-ENG

Yes?

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Saw todays episode. Some parts I liked for sure. But did the animation get even worse somehow? I feel like it got even worse.
   
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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


How do you put an animation into print?

Do you mean all the stuff that's in the Vault, which is one section of Warhammer+?

There may be a couple of folks who are subscribing to WH+ because of the Vault, but it's a relatively small number I think. The Vault is a nice little value-add, but it has some key weaknesses that make it an insufficient resource compared to paper equivalents:

1/ You can't download from it, so your access to the material ends with your subscription.
2/ Even if you maintain your subscription forever, content can be removed at any time without notice on GW's whim alone.
3/ Even if you maintain your subscription AND the resource remains in the Vault, all out-dated rules content can be scrubbed from the resource without notice. As it stands, I don't think there's a single rule anywhere in the Vault that predates 9th edition.

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PenitentJake wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
Here is the thing, all the stuff that is in Warhammer+ is stuff that should be in the white dwarf and in the past was.
They are just doing this to get you to subscribe to white dwarf AND to subscribe to Warhammer +


How do you put an animation into print?

there is this crazy idea of using the single pictures drawn and put the audio as text inside the picture

don't know if someone has already done this but it could become a big thing, we just need a catching name for it, frozen animation, or spontaneous picture (maybe in an Asian language)

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Aash wrote:

If I played more regularly, the army builder and access to online rules would be tempting, but I only play infrequently, and for a monthly subscription I think you should get full access to the rules without needing to buy codex books or supplements etc.



As a guy who is used to playing other wargames where all the rules, army builder, army stats and game management is either free or you get it all for a one off cost, its exactly things like this that stop me from playing GW games even on a casual level. You want me to subscribe to the app, but then ALSO buy books to unlock other rules and that wont even be all the rules you need and in 6 month im going to need buy ANOTHER book? Sod that.
   
 
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