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Hi guys,

ok, so I know Crimson fists aren't that strong, but I love them and actually, they have some things going for them.

the flat 3 no minus to hit power fist, pedros obsec/+1a aura and exploding sixes on bolters are all great buffs. The +1 to hit vs hordes can come in handy and in this list (with will be vs necrons) I sort of try to abuse it a bit with the relic contemptors. It will probably only be for that first alpha vs his warrior blobs, but still. Its decent at least.

The plan is to run up with Pedro and 5x blade guards and camp on objectives. Assault intercessors and the vets can help with counter charges and backup. Creating a meatgrinder in the middle where I can take advantage of my buffs would be nice. The dreads, captain, lieutenant and a 2x5 intercessors camp backfield and provide firesupport. Inceptors, attack bikes, speeder and 2x5 intercessors score secondaries and try to get board dominance. The 3x eradicators are sort of the odd ones out here. guess they will just try to pick off a nice target.

Secondaries should be oath, engage and a third matchup dependent mostly, I guess.

Its fine if this can beat necrons, but actually my goal is a bit broader. I have an ongoing league coming up and id love to play crimson fists for that. The mini meta is: BA, sisters, DG, Eldar, Orcs, necrons, custodes and I've tried to build something a bit more all round due to that fact.


a few questions for review:

- Would 2x twin linked Heavy bolters (taking the bolter buffs of CF into account) be worthwhile on the dreads or are the volkites just better?

- do I need a tech marine to justify those two contemptors? I feel the +1 to hit chapter thingy should be enough. but im not sure.

- Should I go down to one dread and then buy what?

- when playing marines I usually always have a drop pod with either grav/melta devs or sternguard/company vets with meltas to take out one thing t1. this list doesn't have that feature and I guess the dreads have that role. is that a good call? I feel some consistant heavy fire from the back field is better in the long run, but the shock effect of having removed a key asset t1 is just so brutal often.

- I just love the 4x5 rifle intercessors. But I can't help thinking if they should be something else. Infiltrators maybe. any comments on that? also, stalkers on two of them would sort of make sense as they will be moving up the board. I just really like the bolt rifle profile better, honestly.

- 3x inceptors. hmm.. I always run 5 normally and I actually find them underwhelming. they kill someting and then just get slaughtered. I figured maybe 3 would make for a less appealing target. is this a crazy assessment?


heres the list:


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Imperial Fists) [98 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists Successor

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

+ HQ +

Lieutenants [4 PL, 75pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Master-crafted power sword, The Vox Espiritum

Pedro Kantor [8 PL, 155pts]: Stoic Defender, Warlord

Primaris Captain [5 PL, 100pts]: The Fist of Vengeance
. Plasma Pistol and Power Fist: Power fist

+ Troops +

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Bladeguard Veteran Squad [10 PL, 175pts]
. 4x Bladeguard Veteran: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 4x Master-crafted power sword, 4x Storm Shield
. Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 175pts]: Cyclone missile launcher, 2x Twin volkite culverin

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 175pts]: Cyclone missile launcher, 2x Twin volkite culverin

Vanguard Veteran Squad [7 PL, 150pts]: Jump Pack
. Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield
. Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield
. Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield
. Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield
. Vanguard Veteran Sergeant: Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta

Inceptor Squad [7 PL, 120pts]: Assault bolter x2, 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 135pts]: Melta rifle
. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol
. Eradicator Sgt

+ Dedicated Transport +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]

++ Total: [98 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++


Thanks in advance for any comments.

::bump::

have I posted this in the wrong thread or is it normal that no-one answers stuff like this : )

Sorry for the stupid question. Newish user here..

c'mon guys : )

does this seem reasonable?

(last try. promise)