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I was browsing around on wahapedia trying to identify different dreadnoughts. Then I looked over at forge world, and then at battlescribe.
I am confused by all the amount of dreadnoughts. Could somebody help me out?
Regular are:
Dreadnought, Venerable Dreadnought.
Invictus warsuit (stealth dreadnought, although not dead yet.) Redemptor dreadnought (presumably with a primaris in it.)
That Iron Clad Dreadnought for Siege fighting.
You have the chapter unique once. Wulfen and blood angels psyker and death company dreadnought. Grey knights have their nemesis warsuit. Both regular and character. Also, some chapters have named dreadnoughts. Like bjørn and murder Fang.
After that I am very confused.
Contemtor dreadnought, witc h is similar to dreadnought but looks different.
Relic contemtor dreadnought, witch is the same dreadnought but with better weapons and from Forge world.
Leviathan dreadnought, who is from Forge world but not as good. Cool model though.
Deredero, from forge world. What is that? Looks like something from Robocop. Confuses me as to what it is and does.
Mortis dreadnought. Only found it in wahapedia. A regular dreadnought with two identical long range weapons? Reminds me of me of my GK twin Autocannon dreadnought in 5th edition. Is it stil around?
Chaplain Dreadnought. From forge world. Character, no longer in production.
Contemtor galactus witch is custodies, comes with a shield.
Telemont that is custodies, and from Forge World.
Am I missing some?
Where can I find the rules for these? And are the models still beeing produced? How come I find them on wahapedia but not on battlescribe? If they are not in my codex presumably they are in a FW book?
Are they legend rules? Is that like a forge world book has rules for regular forge world units. And legend units are not produced but get updated rules? Or do they use the 8th edition index?
Update : Found the mortis one under heavy support.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2021/11/08 23:40:17
You should see all of those on Battlescribe even the ones that are Legends.
Contemptor is a stripped down version with one option. Relic Contemptor is the FW version with lots of weapons.
Leviathan is very similar in nature to the Redemptor, but just firstborn. It usually comes as a gunboat anyway. Deredeo is just a gun boat. Both used to be T8, but they got knocked down.
Chaplain is an HQ (legends). Mortis is a Heavy (legends). That may be why you don't see them.
All I know is we definitely need another 6 or 7 before we can make any more xenos kits.
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Rules for dreadnoughts not in the Codex books or the FW book are found here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/#warhammer-40000 Some will be under the various Codex entries, others will be under the FW entry.
Legends is the home of stats for discontinued models. They claim they won't update them. In truth they may/may not at their whim (alot of my Sigmar Legends for example got Faction Keywords added recently & some stats changed.). Legends may/maynot be legal if you're tourney bound, so check with the TOs.
Thanks. Yeah it is a bit confusing. Probably OK that they are not both stil T8. Durty eternal is good enough. I also see the leviathan comes with an invinerable save.
I already own several dreadnoughts. And got a good price on my 3rd redemptor dreadnought. So I probably don't need to start purchasing FW dreadnought. (After some axe and shield arm purchases I kitbashed up 3 wulfen dreads. And I have the black reach one(that can be a venerable after I modefied it) , Bjørn, and an old regular/venerable one.
I had several back in the day from different armies and projects. Aquiered the redemptor from the GSC kit, bought Bjørn and a second when I started up my wolves again. And as I said got a good price for a 3rd now. I guess I like dreadnoughts...
The barrier of entry on these FW models seem a bit high in price, and confusion. But thanks for clearing it out. Perhaps I can kitbash a chaplain one if I really want to. The skulls, wings and black paint seems to be the most important features.
A part of your confusion might be down to GW's weird way of determining what goes in a codex and what doesn't. The current hierarchy of where rules sit seems to be:
1. If it is a Citadel plastic model, in current production - it's in the codex
2. If it is a Forgeworld resin model, in current production - it's either in the latest Imperial Armour, or as a download from Forgeworld if they forgot to put it in the book (chaos vindicator etc)
3. If it is a Citadel plastic model, out of production - it's in "Warhammer Legends - <insert faction name here>"
4. If it is a Forgeworld resin model, out of production - it's in "Warhammer Legends - Forgeworld"
This is why there are separate near identical datasheets for Contemptor dreads - the codex version is literally only the options in the plastic kit and resin options don't exist from the codex point of view.
I really enjoy all of the forge world options. And I am glad legend units see some love. I am all for it.
However, I do think the fackt that I rattled off some 15 different dreadnoughts is the part that is confusing. And I do not own the forge world book. (I have been burned to many times on those.)
1: Hellbrutes - Basically a Ferrum Infernus that's gone a bit crazy and grown some tentacles etc.
2: Contemptors - The most widely used pattern during the Crusade/Heresy era. You'd think that would mean that the guys who actually fought in the Crusade/Heresy would have more of them, but nooo.....
3: Leviathans - Also a Crusade/Heresy era pattern. Way less common, actually rare during the Crusade/Heresy. Tough as nails.
4: Deredeo - Heresy/Crusade era artillery pattern. Lots of guns, not good in melee. Also pretty rare
1: Hellbrutes - Basically a Ferrum Infernus that's gone a bit crazy and grown some tentacles etc.
2: Contemptors - The most widely used pattern during the Crusade/Heresy era. You'd think that would mean that the guys who actually fought in the Crusade/Heresy would have more of them, but nooo.....
3: Leviathans - Also a Crusade/Heresy era pattern. Way less common, actually rare during the Crusade/Heresy. Tough as nails.
4: Deredeo - Heresy/Crusade era artillery pattern. Lots of guns, not good in melee. Also pretty rare
1: Hellbrutes - Basically a Ferrum Infernus that's gone a bit crazy and grown some tentacles etc.
2: Contemptors - The most widely used pattern during the Crusade/Heresy era. You'd think that would mean that the guys who actually fought in the Crusade/Heresy would have more of them, but nooo.....
3: Leviathans - Also a Crusade/Heresy era pattern. Way less common, actually rare during the Crusade/Heresy. Tough as nails.
4: Deredeo - Heresy/Crusade era artillery pattern. Lots of guns, not good in melee. Also pretty rare
1: Hellbrutes - Basically a Ferrum Infernus that's gone a bit crazy and grown some tentacles etc.
2: Contemptors - The most widely used pattern during the Crusade/Heresy era. You'd think that would mean that the guys who actually fought in the Crusade/Heresy would have more of them, but nooo.....
3: Leviathans - Also a Crusade/Heresy era pattern. Way less common, actually rare during the Crusade/Heresy. Tough as nails.
4: Deredeo - Heresy/Crusade era artillery pattern. Lots of guns, not good in melee. Also pretty rare
Remove fw and its just:
1: Hellbrutes. The end.
*sad Decimator noises*
Decimators are daemon engines, not dreadnoughts.
Indeed. But I'd add *sad Sonic Dreadnought* noises
1: Hellbrutes - Basically a Ferrum Infernus that's gone a bit crazy and grown some tentacles etc.
2: Contemptors - The most widely used pattern during the Crusade/Heresy era. You'd think that would mean that the guys who actually fought in the Crusade/Heresy would have more of them, but nooo.....
3: Leviathans - Also a Crusade/Heresy era pattern. Way less common, actually rare during the Crusade/Heresy. Tough as nails.
4: Deredeo - Heresy/Crusade era artillery pattern. Lots of guns, not good in melee. Also pretty rare
Remove fw and its just:
1: Hellbrutes. The end.
*sad Decimator noises*
Decimators are daemon engines, not dreadnoughts.
Indeed. But I'd add *sad Sonic Dreadnought* noises
man, they BETTER bring back the sonic dread when they make the EC codex
Warhammer 40K rules are just really, really, REALLY bad in terms of knowing where and how to get all the rules for your army.
As for why there are so many dreadnoughts, I'll let you in on a little secret:
Dreadnoughts are cool.
Honestly I'm surprised the Redemptor is still the ONLY primaris variation at this point, LOL. If I could delete 10 lieutenant variations and add 10 dreadnoughts, I would.
