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so i have played a lot of gw games and did come across Infinity, it looks like a great setting and i like the miniatures.
but after having a look at the web shop my intress is a lot less, starter code one is a 120 euros for 14 miniatures,
and miniatures starting at 10/15 euro isnt as actractive any more then gw prices. oke you dont need so many models
and dont tell me but the model are metal because i hate metal. so even i do like the setting i dont think i wil get it.
always thought gw did lost it with there prices but other compagnies do als lost it. its a shame.

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Well for starters yes they are all metal - they've a few resin models here and there and they've started with some plastics, but in general the vast majority of everything they sell is metal.

Metal is fine to work with you just need the right tools to clean and prep. A good blade for mould line cleaning; a good pair of clippres; some high grit diamond files (600-900 grit); scoring join areas with the blade before applying glue; washing models before assembly and painting.
Metal is fine as a material and CB make some very nice castings.

Their models are on the true scale and very small side; so they have high detail but can be a challenge to assemble and paint at times.



After that yeah their prices are not ultra-cheap; but at the same time a whole "army" might only be 10-12 models for a decently sized game. That's often one reason other firms are more attractive than GW, not because the unit price is always drastically less, but because the actual amount you need to play is less.

Infinity though is a very different game; its not a wargame but a much more tight tactical skirmish game.

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 Overread wrote:


After that yeah their prices are not ultra-cheap; but at the same time a whole "army" might only be 10-12 models for a decently sized game. That's often one reason other firms are more attractive than GW, not because the unit price is always drastically less, but because the actual amount you need to play is less.


Necromunda is also GW and a whole army can even be 6-7 models. The 10 man squad is ultra cheap compared to Infinity kits, it's reasonably multi-component and in plastic. Kill team also requires the same amount of models of Infinity. So if you want a game in which the amount of models is considerably less compared to 40k, there's plenty of cheaper alternatives than Infinity, before even considering leaving GW. Not to mention the actual community, which is certainly higher for those games being GW.

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 skeleton wrote:
so i have played a lot of gw games and did come across Infinity, it looks like a great setting and i like the miniatures.
but after having a look at the web shop my intress is a lot less, starter code one is a 120 euros for 14 miniatures,
and miniatures starting at 10/15 euro isnt as actractive any more then gw prices. oke you dont need so many models
and dont tell me but the model are metal because i hate metal. so even i do like the setting i dont think i wil get it.
always thought gw did lost it with there prices but other compagnies do als lost it. its a shame.


If you hate metal then frankly this isn't the game for you. You're pretty much limited to their board game options like Aristeia and, more recently due to increasing metal prices, some larger remotes and tags. As for prices, they used to be fig for fig more expensive that anyone including GW but GW has passed them by leaps and bounds with single monopose characters running $30-40 USD in plastic albeit at a larger scale. They're still above the average in price but not obscenely so like 10-15 years ago.

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You also have to take into account that the rules are 1,000% better, not designed to just sell models, not nullified by another edition every few years, and FREE. Free army builder and a free wiki as well. The metal models aren't like GWs old metal. These models fit together perfectly and stay together ( I've dropped from table height with no issues).

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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You also have to take into account that the rules are 1,000% better, not designed to just sell models, not nullified by another edition every few years, and FREE. Free army builder and a free wiki as well. The metal models aren't like GWs old metal. These models fit together perfectly and stay together ( I've dropped from table height with no issues).


I dunno, the ITC mission rules that will give you free miners + mining tags that they announced on their kickstarter for their mining tag game today says to me that the rules are, at least a little bit, designed to sell models.
Better hop on the kickstarter, or your enemy who did is going to have a big advantage with their extra free Haris fireteam or TAG!

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 skeleton wrote:
so i have played a lot of gw games and did come across Infinity, it looks like a great setting and i like the miniatures.
but after having a look at the web shop my intress is a lot less, starter code one is a 120 euros for 14 miniatures,
and miniatures starting at 10/15 euro isnt as actractive any more then gw prices. oke you dont need so many models
and dont tell me but the model are metal because i hate metal. so even i do like the setting i dont think i wil get it.
always thought gw did lost it with there prices but other compagnies do als lost it. its a shame.


If you hate metal so much, then regardless of any other factors, you aren't going to get into this game anyway.

Seriously.
Yes, they are transitioning SOME of the LARGER models over to a polymer, but by and large, all of the regular infantry sized stuff will stay in metal. So, if you hate metal figures so much, this game isn't for you.


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Uh...ok?
There's plenty of other games around, maybe malifaux would be more your speed, it's full-plastic?

I dunno, the ITC mission rules that will give you free miners + mining tags that they announced on their kickstarter for their mining tag game today says to me that the rules are, at least a little bit, designed to sell models.

Yeah that was the most desperate way to drum up last-minute attention ever. I think I'd be upset if I played tournaments.

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While it wasn't for me, Infinity is an excellent game system with a huge amount of depth. The models may be pricy on an individual basis but those few models will do you forever and you only need a small selection. Unlike a GW game where you need tonnes of models for a standard game.

Same with Malifaux which is another game you should check out. I looked at both Infinity and Malifaux and much preferred the latter. But infinity is still an excellent game.
   
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Sunno wrote:
The models may be pricy on an individual basis but those few models will do you forever and you only need a small selection. Unlike a GW game where you need tonnes of models for a standard game.



Why people keep saying this? Infinity is a skirmish game, GW also produces skirmish games, starting with Necromunda, and guess what? They all work with 6-10 models for a standard game, and Necromunda models are leagues cheaper than Infinity ones. You can't compare Infinity to 40k.

 
   
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 Blackie wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The models may be pricy on an individual basis but those few models will do you forever and you only need a small selection. Unlike a GW game where you need tonnes of models for a standard game.



Why people keep saying this? Infinity is a skirmish game, GW also produces skirmish games, starting with Necromunda, and guess what? They all work with 6-10 models for a standard game, and Necromunda models are leagues cheaper than Infinity ones. You can't compare Infinity to 40k.


Books here basically wipe out any ability to get into necromunda for cheaper than infinity, and if you want anything extra for the gangs like any extra weapons or the extra charecter or two you are way off being a cheaper game.

The starter boxes better price as well even with less models to start off.
   
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Not really, in order to play the game you just need the rulebook and one set of rules for the gang. Rulebook can be just one for the whole group of players, it's super easy to memorize the mechanics and only the aribter may need it to organize the campaign games.

Old set of rules for Necromunda is 100% free if I remember correctly.

Extra bodies, wargear also cost for Infinity. If you want more than just the standard min squad you have to buy the models as well.

In my previous post I was specifically referring to models though, not the whole set of stuff that is needed to play the game.

 
   
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Outside of the $2 saved, you wouldn’t save any money at all here. With only the Tags being more pricy for the size being the outlier.
If you cannot get a discount on necromunda it’s quite costly and anything from forgeworld pushes it up to a very high cost.

That book is also super expencive, for a buy in cost which is more important than a mini to mini comparison is huge for a group.
Even if you share a rule book, which may be awquard if you are having to set up the campaign online.
   
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Apple fox wrote:

If you cannot get a discount on necromunda it’s quite costly and anything from forgeworld pushes it up to a very high cost.



True, but in order to play the game a single box of 10 regular gangers are all you need in terms of models. Getting extra stuff is quite expensive for Infinity as well. Not to mention tools to work with metal.

Being plastic GW Necromunda kits can be easily found at 25% discount, here every online store do it, some even have 30% discount on GW stuff. Basic minimum amount of models required is really much cheaper than Infinity, even at full price. And classic version rules are 100% free IIRC.

I think it's a pretty solid alternative to Infinity, also considering that the OP hates metal.

 
   
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I've been using the same tools (hobby knife, clippers) for both plastic and metal, the only thing you need different is a bottle of superglue, which is like...$2?

But yeah, both games can be found at discount easily, but honestly, i'd rather suggest Zone Raiders using Necromunda/40k plastics than Necro proper, it's a system that doesn't have the usual GW clunk.
   
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Infinity is a great game.

You could look into Maelstrom's Edge, too.
   
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Honestly not sure what the point of this thread was other than for the OP to state they hate metal minis... in a forum section for a game that focuses on metal minis.
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Honestly not sure what the point of this thread was other than for the OP to state they hate metal minis... in a forum section for a game that focuses on metal minis.


Sometimes you just feel the need to vent?


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 warboss wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Honestly not sure what the point of this thread was other than for the OP to state they hate metal minis... in a forum section for a game that focuses on metal minis.


Sometimes you just feel the need to vent?



I get that, but if I am having a bad day the last thing I feel like doing is go into a different section of the forum just to crap on a game people enjoy.
   
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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You also have to take into account that the rules are 1,000% better, not designed to just sell models, not nullified by another edition every few years, and FREE. Free army builder and a free wiki as well. The metal models aren't like GWs old metal. These models fit together perfectly and stay together ( I've dropped from table height with no issues).


We must have different Infinity models then because mine most certainly do not fit together perfectly and stay together. As for the rules being better, I don't know, they seem based on - or at least heavily influenced by - Advanced Squad Leader, so I'd rather play that. Infinity's bland and unoriginal sci-fi setting with the anime influence is lame and uninspiring for me.
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:

I get that, but if I am having a bad day the last thing I feel like doing is go into a different section of the forum just to crap on a game people enjoy.


I personally agree with you on this and disagree with his hot take (see my first post above) but maybe he'll seem less caustic if I point out he's not crapping on the actual game you enjoy but rather just the pricing and materials? Regardless, he seems to have gotten it out of his system given the lack of responses.

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dream archipelago wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You also have to take into account that the rules are 1,000% better, not designed to just sell models, not nullified by another edition every few years, and FREE. Free army builder and a free wiki as well. The metal models aren't like GWs old metal. These models fit together perfectly and stay together ( I've dropped from table height with no issues).


We must have different Infinity models then because mine most certainly do not fit together perfectly and stay together. As for the rules being better, I don't know, they seem based on - or at least heavily influenced by - Advanced Squad Leader, so I'd rather play that. Infinity's bland and unoriginal sci-fi setting with the anime influence is lame and uninspiring for me.


Then it's a damn shame someone is holding a gun to your head and making you play Infinity exclusively..... Wait, no they're not!


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GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


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So on the subject of price, what about 3d printed figs? I guess I'm thinking specifically to stuff from Broken Anvil's patreon and for Ariadna I guess? I only recently even considered Infinity as being possibly enjoyable.
   
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 Blackie wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The models may be pricy on an individual basis but those few models will do you forever and you only need a small selection. Unlike a GW game where you need tonnes of models for a standard game.



Why people keep saying this? Infinity is a skirmish game, GW also produces skirmish games, starting with Necromunda, and guess what? They all work with 6-10 models for a standard game, and Necromunda models are leagues cheaper than Infinity ones. You can't compare Infinity to 40k.


Yeah in general Infinity and Necromunda are somewhat similar games structurally, though Infinity is IGOUGO with reactions and is based around more of a competitive tourney-centric framework and Necromunda is AA and a campaign focused game.

Infinity is more tightly balanced and the second you dip your toe into the community you can tell its a lot of Highly Serious Competitive Gamer Bro Talk but in terms of scale, terrain setup/focus, mission vibe and a focus on player interactivity they functionally pan out pretty similarly.


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 guinness707 wrote:
So on the subject of price, what about 3d printed figs? I guess I'm thinking specifically to stuff from Broken Anvil's patreon and for Ariadna I guess? I only recently even considered Infinity as being possibly enjoyable.


I'm in the middle of making up a ton of stuff from Unit9 for my Nomads. Fun fact, basically all official gun models from Infinity are available for free on thingi, so if you know enough meshmixer to highlight a gun, delete it, run an autorepair and replace a gun you can create some very nice 3d printed infinity proxies.

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