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 Gargantuan wrote:
So, If you got a problem with one or a few members of DakkaDakka, why not just put them on your ignore list and be on your merry way?

My guess is that the OP is actually trying to see themselves as oppressed. The op has repeatedly alluded to political bigotry, and did at one point say he had written that patreon should be more like Parler. You know, the social media app for “free thinkers” who want robust debate on if the ideal government is far right or super far right.

You see this sort of weird victimization in right wingers in North America.

 Gargantuan wrote:
So, If you got a problem with one or a few members of DakkaDakka, why not just put them on your ignore list and be on your merry way?

I'd prefer a block feature and I have.. I still wanted to address damaging content, trolling and targeted harassment on an individual basis, to express humanity understanding, and to talk with others people and address the concerns directly.

I think I don't really need to explain anything futher.


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 Polonius wrote:

 Gargantuan wrote:
So, If you got a problem with one or a few members of DakkaDakka, why not just put them on your ignore list and be on your merry way?

My guess is that the OP is actually trying to see themselves as oppressed. The op has repeatedly alluded to political bigotry, and did at one point say he had written that patreon should be more like Parler. You know, the social media app for “free thinkers” who want robust debate on if the ideal government is far right or super far right.

You see this sort of weird victimization in right wingers in North America.

That is an excessive exageration, against targeted harassment, and the obsessive and outright psychotic calls over and over to post a portfolio. The reason is to avoid being Doxxed, or swatted. Physically attacked in person and so and so forth.

The rest of your statement is clearly hostile and clearly trying to cause more flaming. I'd ask you to be civil and respectful to others. And maybe you should look into parlor because it isn't far-right. It's simply a decentralized platform, But your political bigotry is obvious and unwelcome. Just for the record Far right people would consider me sub-human, being a minority. And isn't reflected in the ethics put forward by parlor a definitively centrist social media platform. They don't take sides. Think Switzerland Free Speech includes speech that you disagree with. And that's what parlor is all about. As opposed to Patreon which is more in support of authoritarianism.

It's pretty hard at this point and stage in the current political climate to agree with the authoritative takes from the established social media platforms and publishers, and not see the outright unethical behaviour of these publishers and platforms. You only need to see the removal of the song "Let's go Brandon" after hitting the top charts on Itunes multiple times to see that corporate establishment media has gone too far. And why it's important to boycott and speak out about the bad actors of the social media, and publisher platoforms. Maybe that's a bit of a strange take for some who don't study politics or are unaware but times are changing. Alternatives to social media is on the rise. And people are happy to use the alternatives.

Lol at “clearly hostile.”

First, I’m probably one of the few people who have read enough of your posts to even begin to understand them. And the simple fact is that many of your posts present yourself as the victim, either as responses to your posts or because people won’t pay what you consider fair fees for your work. Both of those do not align with the ideals of free speech or free markets, so yeah, it’s a little weird.

 Polonius wrote:
Lol at “clearly hostile.”


First, I’m probably one of the few people who have read enough of your posts to even begin to understand them. And the simple fact is that many of your posts present yourself as the victim, either as responses to your posts or because people won’t pay what you consider fair fees for your work. Both of those do not align with the ideals of free speech or free markets, so yeah, it’s a little weird.

I'd ask you again to not put words in my mouth. "many posts present yourself as the victim" This does not reflect reality.

When has the right to address grievances has not aligned with free speech?

Or how is starting discussions about payment and value, (despite having them hijacked by trolls ) not aligned with free-market capitalism?

Lastly.

I don't find your hostility a laughing matter.

Do you not see multiplie posts across multiple threads claiming to be the target of harassment to be portraying yourself as a victim?

 Polonius wrote:
Do you not see multiplie posts across multiple threads claiming to be the target of harassment to be portraying yourself as a victim?

No because I have never claimed victimization, I have addressed grievances in multiple threads. And have responded on a case-by-case basis to anger, bigotry, hate, aggression, disrespect, confusion, cowardly behaviour, and differences in cultural decorum, fake politeness, and many other personal attacks. Never have I once claimed to be a victim.

I have spoken out about specific attacks that is all.

You can see that I have likewise responded to your hostility in kind, and not claimed victimization, as I have addressed other posts. Have responded to resealable civil questions in kind as well. In this particular post you're not being hostile .

So, you are definitely under the impression that someone is out to get you. Many references to trolling, baiting, political activism, doxxing, and swatting. Let me just clear it up for you: No one gives a feth about you or your politics. Not one little bit. No one here thinks about you at all until you post. Same for me and everyone else on this site.

We might be interested in your work, but you weirdly refuse to show any of it. If you are ok with the pics you posted being the final word on your work... Ok? I sure as gak wouldn't be but that's just me.

No person who does professional work, especially freelance work, operates like you do. None. You come on here lamenting he lack of work, or asking for work, or promoting your teaching services and refuse to show examples. Then you continue to wonder why you aren't swimming in work. It baffles me. Truly. There are creatives who are huge names in their field who don't actually need to put out portfolios, or maintain an Instagram, Twitter, or Facebook, and yet damn near all of them do. Do you ever wonder why that is? I know you don't, never mind. Rhetorical question.

The only thing people have ever asked you to do was back up your bs. Until there is something to back up your words, it's all just bs. You are a living example of why the phrases like "Proof or it didn't happen", "Show, don't tell", and "Money talks, bs walks" exist.

Man no one wants to know who you are in real life. No one here cares enough about you (or me) for that. We just want to see examples of your wargames designs on this, you know, wargame forum.

Well, for what is worth, I personally don't really know much about 3d sculpting or what is good or bad. I'd honestly like to learn, but I have two jobs and no time with those and my scant hobby time >_>.

What I do know is what works for me as an end user (here meaning "a guy who's gonna print minis at home to play and paint", and I already have experience enough printing to know what does actually work for me.

And honestly, I do believe that the actual end result, how easy stuff is to print from a regular printer and how durable it is once printed, is what most people is interested in.

If a sculpt is badly hacked with rough meshed that don't fit, but prints well and has enough detail once printed? Most people won't care one bit, and actually most people won't even be able to tell the difference or to know why something is good or bad. They'll only see the mini in their hands.

And conversely, if a mini is perfectly modelled and has a great mesh and all the technical quality, but it's hard to print for whatever reason, or the details are too shallow or small to actually print (or they disappear when painting or priming), or the parts are too delicate to handle? They won't care one bit how good it is, because it won't work for them.

So end result is what people is actually interested in, I think, and not much else.

So taking that into account, and to answer most people's complaints about actually seeing the work, would it be possible for you to post photos of actual minis printed off your models at the assumed scale? (I suppose that'd be the usual 28-32mm range). If you're interested in addressing that particular issue, I mean, as you wouldn't need to post any portfolio or anything it might be easier.

As to my original scuffle with B&R, after the fact and after I cooled down a bit I though I overreacted and apologized to him, he accepted it, and that was basically the end of it. No issues and no hard feelings, and I can see how he thought I was attacking him.

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, for what is worth, I personally don't really know much about 3d sculpting or what is good or bad. I'd honestly like to learn, but I have two jobs and no time with those and my scant hobby time >_>.

What I do know is what works for me as an end user (here meaning "a guy who's gonna print minis at home to play and paint", and I already have experience enough printing to know what does actually work for me.

And honestly, I do believe that the actual end result, how easy stuff is to print from a regular printer and how durable it is once printed, is what most people is interested in.

If a sculpt is badly hacked with rough meshed that don't fit, but prints well and has enough detail once printed? Most people won't care one bit, and actually most people won't even be able to tell the difference or to know why something is good or bad. They'll only see the mini in their hands.

And conversely, if a mini is perfectly modelled and has a great mesh and all the technical quality, but it's hard to print for whatever reason, or the details are too shallow or small to actually print (or they disappear when painting or priming), or the parts are too delicate to handle? They won't care one bit how good it is, because it won't work for them.

So end result is what people is actually interested in, I think, and not much else.

So taking that into account, and to answer most people's complaints about actually seeing the work, would it be possible for you to post photos of actual minis printed off your models at the assumed scale? (I suppose that'd be the usual 28-32mm range). If you're interested in addressing that particular issue, I mean, as you wouldn't need to post any portfolio or anything it might be easier.

As to my original scuffle with B&R, after the fact and after I cooled down a bit I though I overreacted and apologized to him, he accepted it, and that was basically the end of it. No issues and no hard feelings, and I can see how he thought I was attacking him.

I really respect you a lot more than when we first interacted. I think you've really come a long way here. And I would be remiss if I dismissed the poignancy of speaking up on my behalf.

Albertorius you and I are of course of similar minds, each of us is a hothead in our own ways. I've never denied that you've never denied that. And the fact that we can both walk past that is great. I honestly think it's been an honour to know you thus far. This overture here has been huge, and deeply, and meaningfully respectful.

I just wanted to personally thank you for your help here and for being civil. A lot of this did start because people may have felt I treated you poorly. And maybe I did. And for that I am sorry.

I honestly used to be a lot like you Albertorius, and not a fan of corporations, until I had the fortunate event of sitting down with a Ceo and talking with them over some beer. It wasn't what I expected at all.

As far as showing a printed model I have had to delay a large reveal video of the first official line of miniatures from Bayonet & Ricochet from a well-known painter by several months, because of a broken printer. And I'd like to provide further context by citing an e-mail from Phrozen.

"Hello everyone,

We know many of you have been eagerly waiting for months to get your hands on the world's first 8K printer, Sonic Mega 8K, so that you can start printing at once. We really do appreciate all the support and patience in the process. Thank you!

However, today’s announcement post is about the upcoming delays in shipments. Several reasons have resulted in the forthcoming production delay, but the main reason is that every printer must undergo an extensive calibration check-up procedure before leaving our factory. And unfortunately, we realized during the recent check-ups that the 3D printers did not reach our quality standards and either required recalibration or partial replacements.

We have optimized our production procedure and have assigned a majority of our production line to the check-up/recalibration process so that the production rate can be boosted.

However, due to our commitment to quality, this will result in delays in our shipping schedule. All bundles’ status are as follows:"

So the short answer is no.. I can not show you the finished work of our first line of miniatures until they are printed, tested and painted. And we have been unable to print them after three failed printers in a row. All of which have failed due to mechanical failure and bad luck.

As to the concerns about being doxxed or being attacked. There are thousands of people that view this site, we are public figures whether I like the idea or not and have to protect ourselves accordingly. Are we going to be doxxed or attacked by people on DakkaDakka.. who knows and it's very unlikely.. Is there actually a real threat of being attacked not yet.. But precedent exists in other conservative content creators many of which have been assaulted. There is a lot of politically driven hate present in the community, lack of civility. And someone might in the future be like oh... I know who that person is.. it's here on their portfolio.. Is it likely to happen.. no but it could. And regardless if you think others don't care about it there is a possibility of danger. Conservatives and now many centrists, classical liberals alike see the extremist ideologies of left, center, left and far left as real dangers. And for good reason.

Furthermore, I am unable to report Taarnak for continued harassment because he is set to ignore it. And would ask him to be civil respectfully bow out of inflaming a conversation any further.

"So, you are definitely under the impression that someone is out to get you" He has continuously demonstrated an outward hostility, uncivil behaviour, willingness to troll, lie, act in an aggressive manner, and act in a belligerent and hateful way. "out to get me " no.. constant attacking me personally, belittling others is evident, his hate is obvious he wears it on his sleeve. He continuously calls others liars while refusing to respond to reasoned and thoughtful responses as to why I don't enjoy the obsessive calls to show our work. Despite repeated attempts to state the reasons why.

When I explain the safety reasons, he belittles them, when we say it's beyond harassment for him to continue to obsess over a portfolio, or the very definition of this quote. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

He is not a fan of our work.. that's fine he's stated that. I likewise think Taarnak's work is amateurish he is as an artist dreadfully unskilled. Tho I have noticed a marked improvement over time through trial and error, but the basic foundational understanding of art theory isn't present. However, he has a good understanding of the fundamentals of 3D modelling.

And I find it amusing he finds his work better, it's like the pot calling the kettle black, but I don't see him as a peer. And yes perhaps that has rubbed some of his friends the wrong way.. I can't think of a reason you'd want to be the friend of such a hateful person or how anyone can respect them. But that's between us.

I would note that I don't consistently attack the person and belittle them. And despite the consistent harassment, attacks, and obsessive behaviour of "SHOW YOUR WORK OR YOU'RE A LIAR" is old hat. It's honestly gone too far.

We agreed as a company to LAUNCH our first line of miniatures when they are painted professionally to the public. And have thus far only released teasers of work-in-progress stuff.

Could it also be possible that the 3D printing scene just isn't that big yet on dakkadakka? I mean I only recently noticed this forum section and I'm really only here to find sources for 40k prints. It could just just that there aren't a lot of people here looking to learn new sculpting skills or commission a whole piece of work. Hell, I think most people are just looking for a more affordable venue than GW.

Just my theories and thoughts.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
Could it also be possible that the 3D printing scene just isn't that big yet on dakkadakka? I mean I only recently noticed this forum section and I'm really only here to find sources for 40k prints. It could just just that there aren't a lot of people here looking to learn new sculpting skills or commission a whole piece of work. Hell, I think most people are just looking for a more affordable venue than GW.

Just my theories and thoughts.

3D printing is certainly far more active on Discord in specific 3D print groups/channels and also on Facebook and Redit. Though even on FB some of the traditional miniatures groups don't allow 3D print chat due to the high chance of it deviating toward designs that outright copy copyright material (and FB being FB its a nightmare to moderate so those groups just don't want the hassle, which is fair). But there's still a good number of active groups out there. Dakka is very much not a 3D print active site at present. Heck the 3D print kickstarter threads don't even get that much attention here as yet.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
Could it also be possible that the 3D printing scene just isn't that big yet on dakkadakka? I mean I only recently noticed this forum section and I'm really only here to find sources for 40k prints. It could just just that there aren't a lot of people here looking to learn new sculpting skills or commission a whole piece of work. Hell, I think most people are just looking for a more affordable venue than GW.

Just my theories and thoughts.

Could you elaborate?

So, I have never seen or heard of you Bayonet&Ricochet except this thread which showed up at the top of Dakka and got my attention.

I would like to point out what this all looks like from an outsiders perspective after doing some digging and finding your twitter and other social media accounts (but no website/storefront).


-From what I can tell you are starting a business.
-You have some 3d models to show on your twitter. It looked like a couple mounted knights with lances and some heads.
-You have no models to show. You explain you have some broken 3d printers.
-You intend to do a kickstarter or a go fund me.
-And you are making or have made a rule set for a game, but again, there isn't really any way to buy or look at this unless someone really digs through your twitter to see some images of what at a glance looks like a rules overview. A twitter which isn't just being used as a professional account promoting your product but is also retweeting weird videos of a girl talking about horse play or some gak? Also the Gandalf clip was pretty cool.

-Then I guess from context clues (I didn't read your whole initial post. It is LONG and broken up weirdly. But I have read the rest of this thread.) you have gotten some gak from some people here on Dakka (Welcome to Dakka btw).
-People want to see proof in the pudding. You don't have any. And you're going about telling them it's wrong for them to ask by making a thread called "Why quality,printability, is completely irrelevant to wargamers. And why you're full of crap."
-I want to point out that if you wanted to bring people on board for a kickstarter campaign telling your customer base that they are full of crap in a thread that begins with 49 broken up bits of text and a picture criticizing someone else's work is probably a bad way to go about it.

Again, I am just laying out how all this looks from my perspective. If you are just here to chew out the general community for not understanding you, well, I think thats mostly a waste of time unless you are deriving some kind of enjoyment from it. But if you actually intend to be some kind of professional marketing a business I think you have made some major missteps and you should consider how you are going to handle damage control.

Just my 2 cents.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
So the short answer is no.. I can not show you the finished work of our first line of miniatures until they are printed, tested and painted. And we have been unable to print them after three failed printers in a row. All of which have failed due to mechanical failure and bad luck.

You know, thinking about it, and again, going off my "the end user is only interested in their end results" comment, I think that at least personally, I would be more interested in seeing how the models print in a "default" printer, like one of the current main brands' (Elegoo, Anycubic, Phrozen et all) basic or main models, like a Photon or a regular Mars 2, because that's what most people would be printing them off of.

Plus, a painted miniature is interesting, but it's more interesting to see the actual print (if the resin allows for it) or a primed model that would help us see how well the details were printed without extraneous paint to discern it from.

A couple days ago someone recommended this resin due to it showing gorgeously the details in photos:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08V1RX4QQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AXROEXGTOZN76&psc=1

These are some of the prints they showed me as examples (all the beige, and a comparison with a regular grey), all made on a Mars 2 Pro:

 Albertorius wrote:

Plus, a painted miniature is interesting, but it's more interesting to see the actual print (if the resin allows for it) or a primed model that would help us see how well the details were printed without extraneous paint to discern it from.

A couple days ago someone recommended this resin due to it showing gorgeously the details in photos:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08V1RX4QQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AXROEXGTOZN76&psc=1

These are some of the prints they showed me as examples (all the beige, and a comparison with a regular grey), all made on a Mars 2 Pro:

I've not printed with ZMud myself, however I've spoken to others who have/read comments by them and one thing that was interesting that came up is that it tends to require slightly different supports to some other resins. Nothing extreme, but if you look at the last photo you posted you can see that there's a lot of supports that link up to the knife all the way through the print. Even if there aren't islands there, the resin needs that slight bit of additional support/stability/hold to the build plate. So basically just adding some light supports (0.2 head size or so) to give it a little more hold as it prints. Just something to be aware of. Of course the presupports you get for your models might be totally fine, but its something to keep in mind in case you got some odd failures even after calibrating the printer settings for the resin.

 Lance845 wrote:
So, I have never seen or heard of you Bayonet&Ricochet except this thread which showed up at the top of Dakka and got my attention.

I would like to point out what this all looks like from an outsiders perspective after doing some digging and finding your twitter and other social media accounts (but no website/storefront).


-From what I can tell you are starting a business.
-You have some 3d models to show on your twitter. It looked like a couple mounted knights with lances and some heads.
-You have no models to show. You explain you have some broken 3d printers.
-You intend to do a kickstarter or a go fund me.
-And you are making or have made a rule set for a game, but again, there isn't really any way to buy or look at this unless someone really digs through your twitter to see some images of what at a glance looks like a rules overview. A twitter which isn't just being used as a professional account promoting your product but is also retweeting weird videos of a girl talking about horse play or some gak? Also the Gandalf clip was pretty cool.

-Then I guess from context clues (I didn't read your whole initial post. It is LONG and broken up weirdly. But I have read the rest of this thread.) you have gotten some gak from some people here on Dakka (Welcome to Dakka btw).
-People want to see proof in the pudding. You don't have any. And you're going about telling them it's wrong for them to ask by making a thread called "Why quality,printability, is completely irrelevant to wargamers. And why you're full of crap."
-I want to point out that if you wanted to bring people on board for a kickstarter campaign telling your customer base that they are full of crap in a thread that begins with 49 broken up bits of text and a picture criticizing someone else's work is probably a bad way to go about it.

Again, I am just laying out how all this looks from my perspective. If you are just here to chew out the general community for not understanding you, well, I think thats mostly a waste of time unless you are deriving some kind of enjoyment from it. But if you actually intend to be some kind of professional marketing a business I think you have made some major missteps and you should consider how you are going to handle damage control.

Just my 2 cents.

It's actually in an attempt to repair a major miss-step. And to call attention to some things that have been stated in order post by others, back and forths and so on. it's actually going remarkably well considering the outright hostility I've received for the majority of posts for simple disagreement. DakkaDakka isn't a place where people enjoy differing opinions.

Criticizing others' work , yes but I didn't see another way of going about addressing some of the takes in the 3D printing community. DakkaDakka is a toxic and hostile online forum with thousands of individuals that view it. Not everyone is toxic but there are people here that TROLL others.

I have felt that I have been the target of trolls and originally should have not responded.. Now I am simply trying to play catch up. Dakka is also has a large far-left community and center-left community, it has shoved out many due to political idealogy, and is a very impossible place to have a discussion where people feel entitled to belittle others, being it as far left community. I have expressed concern publicly for the monocultural sentiment, and and concern of the public shaming of others for not agreeing with opinions.

It actually seems or allegedly or appears to be taboo.. amongst far-leftists, and center-left/liberals indoctrinated alike. it's seens as some kind of disturbing behaviour where people that lean left, or emulate that group, and among the younger crowd. That opinions are some kind of personal truth.. that must be agreed with, and even the slight disagreement is seen as a savagely kicking a puppy. This behaviour and cultural norm didn't exist less than ten years ago.

In reality, they want an apology, they want me to beg at the alter of and self-flagellate over telling them no and no. you're incorrect and no your opinion is crap and here's why. Tho I generally start out peaceful I never act civil to others that attack me first. I don't see a reason to.

No it's not the entirety of DakakDakka.. it's few dare I say disturbed individuals with nothing better to do than attack others online.

However, they will gleefully revel in continuing the flaming which is detrimental to the business as a whole, regardless if say sorry or not. So I chose to try and talk to people on a case-by-case basis.

We have seen public examples of shaming long, long after the fact of issuing public apologies to idealogical, possed, and indoctrinated individuals. You never ever bend the Knee, you never comply, you never make an apology, you never back down and you never give in an inch or they will use all of that against you, and take a hundred miles for every inch you concede.

Honestly, it's been good for business so far, it's allowed me to reach out to other conservatives and centrists, and people of like mind that are afraid to speak out, afraid of their peers, afraid of being othered. and people that see the attacks, and don't agree with them. I've made many friends since this all started.

Am I attacking the community at a large? No.

There are many in this community that openly wear their hatred on their sleeves and I have responded to them in kind.. Was it a mistake to respond.. maybe, but the door was kicked open already, pandora's box is already open. And allI can do at this point is damage control.

I am not a social media expert by any means. And my only hope is talking to people trying to show conviction allows me to help rebuild my public image here.. with the few members of the community that are willing to mend bridges.

We have announced since launch that we are a conservative miniatures company. And have received a lot of flak for it. There are literally content creators such as ARCH aka "he who shall not be named" that are looked down on by the mods for example. And that's honestly difficult to navigate going in knowing that this community is controlled by certain people that don't believe in free speech.

So it's been difficult to address the issues without violating unspoken rules, that are never listed anywhere and when asked about that the rules are specific, it's always "You should Know" Despite the Overton window effectively being thrown out the window. Monocultural indoctrination is prevalent, and it's difficult to address it without a thread getting shut down, and not receiving open hatred for not agreeing immediately with opinions. DakkaDakka smells blood in the water and they will rip your arm off.

Many many people don't see you as a human being, they see you as a thing here. A sub-human.

I am not a personal fan of fake polite corporate monoculture, I am navigating this the best way that I know how.. Trying to have a conversation, trying to understand what polite means in a sea of veiled, subversive, passive-aggressive people. Is everyone passive aggressive no. But there are more then a few that take my directness as hostile, and taboo, where I see their subversive, politeness as hostile and taboo.

If you're curious about how this all started really just look at the interactions between Albertorious and me. It's honestly a large community with independent subcultures. One particular subculture is extremely difficult to communicate with, it's like constantly stepping on glass. There is a tension that always exists between the personality archetypes of people that have become very tribal.

You say one thing counter to the public opinion of a minority of individuals, if more than one person agrees with that minority viewpoint it becomes increasingly dangerous to disagree.

At least that's how I see it anyways it's exceedingly difficult to communicate because of a minority of outspoken ideologically possessed people, that mods themselves back. (Minority as in minority of ideology, not a minority as in LGBT, Asian, Latin ect, which is a group I fall under myself a minority.

I am keenly aware of the social dynamics here, how mods all over the internet have created cultural homogeneity, and it's very very difficult to navigate.

But talking about it helps make not want to shoot myself in the head, calling the cultural homogeneity to light, makes me less inclined to drink bleach, or pray for an asteroid to remove earth from the solar system.

People ask why the long-winded replies. To be honest, if I don't explain every single little detail, in extensive ways, provide context, provide inferences, and logical analysis, people jump to conclusions, and they do with hostility. leaving them fewer avenues of attack by trying to use logic allows some kind of conversation to form. And less misunderstand to foster. Some people dislike it. I personally view it as a neccessity.

 Overread wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Plus, a painted miniature is interesting, but it's more interesting to see the actual print (if the resin allows for it) or a primed model that would help us see how well the details were printed without extraneous paint to discern it from.

A couple days ago someone recommended this resin due to it showing gorgeously the details in photos:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08V1RX4QQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AXROEXGTOZN76&psc=1

These are some of the prints they showed me as examples (all the beige, and a comparison with a regular grey), all made on a Mars 2 Pro:

I've not printed with ZMud myself, however I've spoken to others who have/read comments by them and one thing that was interesting that came up is that it tends to require slightly different supports to some other resins. Nothing extreme, but if you look at the last photo you posted you can see that there's a lot of supports that link up to the knife all the way through the print. Even if there aren't islands there, the resin needs that slight bit of additional support/stability/hold to the build plate. So basically just adding some light supports (0.2 head size or so) to give it a little more hold as it prints. Just something to be aware of. Of course the presupports you get for your models might be totally fine, but its something to keep in mind in case you got some odd failures even after calibrating the printer settings for the resin.

Indeed, I got told the exact same thing, that is was on the whole a bit more difficult to print and needed a different approach to supports.

Hoooo boy, there is a lot to unpack there.

So you are concerned about being attacked as a conservative, "classical liberal" or whatever the feth you consider yourself today? Cool. Then maybe stop talking about it. You bring it up every time. You. Nobody else. You have absolutely no idea about my politics or ideologies. None. Know why? Because I rarely discuss them with anyone let alone randos on the internet. So, the politically motivated hit job against you and your "company"? Completely in your head.

You are unable to report me for harassment because I am not harassing you. Weird, right? I certainly don't have any kind of power to deny you hitting the Report button. By all means, please do. Lol. Also, I don't have any friends here. The reply count on my posts should be plenty of evidence of that. Again, all in your head.

I certainly don't hate. I just am tired of someone who vomits onto the forum and expects everyone to accept their "expertise" without any proof or example thereof. You have posted a few shots here, but nothing that shows the level of expertise that you claim to have. Show, don't tell.

I am an amateur. By the very definition of the word.

Amateur
1. A person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid rather than a professional basis.
-Yup, me for sure.
2. A person who is incompetent or inept at a particular activity.
-Yup, me also.

Funny thing though, I never claimed to be otherwise. Nor did I say my work was better than yours. I simply stated that the work you have shown DOES NOT live up to the cred you are attempting to trade on. I at least have the balls to show my mistakes. Dilettante.

This community is pretty small and still just a fledgling here on Dakka. I contribute where I can. Sometimes that is by calling bs when I see it. I largely ignored you or just laughed at your crazy ass posts in private. You posted today to tell all of us that we suck, and to attack the individual that made the picture in your OP specifically. All you accomplished was to show that you have little to no idea about 3d files. Those artifacts that you pointed out are a result of either the Decimation process (in zBrush) or similar function in other software, or the result of conversion to the STL format. That gak happens all the time in both of those processes. Also, the extremely clean topology that you wanted to brag about? Gone once you run either of the aforementioned processes. But you knew that, right?

Nobody has asked you to reveal your super secret, totally unique Bayonet & Ricochet Kickstarter miniatures. We just want to see some of YOUR work. You claimed there are mountains of it, so show some not related to your KS venture. I am especially interested in the better than GW and the Perry Brothers' stuff. Sounds awesome.

So, please, do enlighten us.

Alright

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

It's actually in an attempt to repair a major miss-step. And to call attention to some things that have been stated in order post by others, back and forths and so on. it's actually going remarkably well considering the outright hostility I've received for the majority of posts for simple disagreement. DakkaDakka isn't a place where people enjoy differing opinions.

In my experience, Dakka, like everywhere, is a place where some individuals are entrenched in some of their opinions and they will not listen otherwise. But there are a lot of people who really enjoy a good debate/conversation. You might need a thicker skin to get to those people but they are there.

Criticizing others' work , yes but I didn't see another way of going about addressing some of the takes in the 3D printing community.

If you are selling yourself, nobody cares about other peoples work. They are about yours. A guy on here made an entire new paint brand. He didn't sell his paint by gaking on other brands. He sold his paint by showing how good his paint was. You have other options. They either are not ready (at which point why are you getting into it?) or you are unwilling to show it. The point mentioned of wanting to see what these models look like unpainted with photograph-able resins printed on the average market printers is a really good one. Thats basically all anyone printing this stuff cares about.

DakkaDakka is a toxic and hostile online forum with thousands of individuals that view it. Not everyone is toxic but there are people here that TROLL others. I have felt that I have been the target of trolls and originally should have not responded.. Now I am simply trying to play catch up. Dakka is also has a large far-left community and center-left community, it expresses and has shoved out many due to political idealogy, and is a very impossible place to have a discussion where people feel entitled to belittle others, being it as far left community. I have expressed concern publicly for the monocultural sentiment, and publicly shamed others for not agreeing with opinions. It actually seems or allegedly or appears to be taboo.. amongst far-leftists, and center-left/liberals alike. it's some kind of disturbing behaviour where people that lean left, or emulate that group, and among the younger crowd. That opinions are some kind of personal truth.. that must be agreed with, and even the slight disagreement is seen as a savagely kicking a puppy. This behaviour and cultural norm didn't exist less than ten years ago.

Why are you, as a business, getting into politics on a forum where you are trying to sell your toy soldier 3d print files? None of the rest of what you have to say on this maters. Thats the only question. Why is this even a talking point? Your account is named after your business. You're here to market and sell your product.

In reality, they want an apology, they want me to beg at the alter of and self falgulate over telling them no.. you're incorrect and no your opinion is crap and here's why. No it's not the entirety of DakakDakka.. it'sa few dare I say disturbed individuals with nothing better to do than attack others online.

However, they will gleefully revel in continuing the flaming which is detrimental to the business as a whole, regardless if say sorry or not. So I chose to try and talk to people on a case-by-case basis.

You don't need a case by case basis. And you shouldn't be arguing with your customers. You show them a superior product by making a superior product. Right now it looks like your biggest misstep was getting out here at all as early as you did with nothing to show.

We have seen public examples of shaming long, long after the fact of issuing public apologies to idealogical, possed, and indoctrinated individuals. You never ever bend the Knee, you never comply, you never make an apology, you never back down and you never give in an inch or they will use all of that against you, and take a hundred miles for one inch.

This isn't a war. You're selling software to make toys.

Honestly, it's good business for business so far, it's allowed me to reach out to other conservatives and centrists, and people of like mind that are afraid to speak out, afraid of their peers, afraid of being othered. and people that see the attacks, and don't agree with them. I've made many friends since this all started.

Am I attacking the community at a large no.

I guess if your position is to limit your customer base to people who match your political ideology then, congratz? I just don't see what the one has to do with the other in what is already a niche market.

There are many in this community that openly wear their hatred on their sleeves and I have responded to them in kind.. Was it a mistake to respond.. yes but the door was kicked open already, pandoras box is already open. And allI can do at this point is damage control.

I am not a social media expert by any means. And my only hope is talking to people trying to show conviction allows me to help rebuild my public image here.. with the few members of the community that are willing to mend bridges.

We have announced since launch that we are a conservative miniatures company.

I am not a fan of fake polite coprate monoculture, I am navigating this the best way that I know how.. Trying to have a conversation.

I don't think people respond to conviction on stuff like this unless it's extremists. Nobody really gives a feth. They just want to play toy soldiers and paint. Making this about more than that invites challenge. You got it buddy.

It is indeed super weird that you claim you are being attacked for being a conservative, but on a message board that has a politics ban, the only way anyone knows your political bias is if you, unsolicited, announce it unwelcome into a by-definition unrelated thread - any thread bringing up your politics is by definition off-topic here.

This is something which you have done a dozen times over the last 2 pages and is the main thrust of this thread. Someone no one has even heard of, telling us he is being crucified for being a conservative.

The hostility you are reporting has less to do with your politics - which again, were a mystery to all until you kept broadcasting it! - and more to do with your desperation for even a crumb of oppression. Feigned victimhood is a tiresome schtick.

If you are so victimized here, why wasn't the thread locked at post one? Any thread that tells the entire community they are full of crap obviously fails the "be polite" test, regardless of the rest of the content.

 Ouze wrote:
It is indeed super weird that you claim you are being attacked for being a conservative, but on a message board that has a politics ban, the only way anyone knows your political bias is if you, unsolicited, announce it unwelcome into a by-definition unrelated thread - any thread bringing up your politics is by definition off-topic here.

This is something which you have done a dozen times over the last 2 pages and is the main thrust of this thread. Someone no one has even heard of, telling us he is being crucified for being a conservative.

The hostility you are reporting has less to do with your politics - which again, were a mystery to all until you kept broadcasting it! - and more to do with your desperation for even a crumb of oppression. Feigned victimhood is a tiresome schtick.

If you are so victimized here, why wasn't the thread locked at post one? Any thread that tells the entire community they are full of crap obviously fails the "be polite" test, regardless of the rest of the content.

Well no one has claimed victimization. "which again, were a mystery to all until you kept broadcasting it! - and more to do with your desperation for even a crumb of oppression. Feigned victimhood is a tiresome schtick. " That's not the case because I never see myself as a victim, but I do note that I have moderators step into police behaviour other others and myself for not towing a cultural line, steeped in political-ideological possessed behaviour so you might not see the politics of it, but I do I have to constantly avoid topics, self censore and not speak freely. I have to walk on glass constantly.

And yes I have before been outspoken about Patreon being an unethical company so the cat's been out of the bag for a while if you we're to read back.

"The outburst from one specific individual was about my open dislike for Patreon's unethical behaviour. That is where this started. I am a former classical liberal, and outspoken advocate for free expression and speech and made a comment about wishing that Patreon reflected the values, and morality of Parlor. This specific individual targeted me ever since, has been bigoted and hateful. All because I find Patreon and its continued support to be unethical. If you're unsure about the specific reason it's bigoted it's political bigotry. "







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 Ouze wrote:
It is indeed super weird that you claim you are being attacked for being a conservative, but on a message board that has a politics ban, the only way anyone knows your political bias is if you, unsolicited, announce it unwelcome into a by-definition unrelated thread - any thread bringing up your politics is by definition off-topic here.

This is something which you have done a dozen times over the last 2 pages and is the main thrust of this thread. Someone no one has even heard of, telling us he is being crucified for being a conservative.

The hostility you are reporting has less to do with your politics - which again, were a mystery to all until you kept broadcasting it! - and more to do with your desperation for even a crumb of oppression. Feigned victimhood is a tiresome schtick.

If you are so victimized here, why wasn't the thread locked at post one? Any thread that tells the entire community they are full of crap obviously fails the "be polite" test, regardless of the rest of the content.

We have announced since inception that we are a conservative company, in a wargame culture that is dominated by liberals, that has pushed every conservative out of every company, out of every gaming hobby, out of every comic book store, in favour of corporate monocultural homogeneity. Why because our market are Conservatives, and former 40k players.

why because a lot of them are disinterested in monocultural homogeneity and fake polite corporate-approved fake politeness.

I think this is the first official statement we made on any social media platform. Hello everyone.

"Thought I'd take some time to introduce our miniatures company Bayonet & Ricochet. We just like you guys are fans of miniatures and wargaming and have been modelling and wargaming for over 20 years.

Below we've included some of the miniatures in development for our up-and-coming tabletop war game that has yet to be named.

The miniatures for this in development will be released in a boxed set with around 25 to 30 plastic or resin miniatures, along with a basic rulebook and storied history. The wargame in development will be broken down into three stages, an Overland Campaign similar to games like risk, a tourney also known as Tilting(joust), and open warfare similar to other wargames you've played, with formations, wheeling, and more.

In addition along with the physical Miniatures, we will be releasing STL files that people with 3D printers can utilize, download and print out. And if you already have your own miniatures that fit the bill. Well, bring them along as well. We plan to have rules for your own minis.


The Wargame in development is being designed as historically accurate as possible for a low magic fantasy setting, with the fanfare and panoply of 16th-century war, being a significant and central focus of the wargames style and flavor.
In addition, our goal is to move away from an easy-to-pick-up and play, in favor of complexity, strategies, placement of units, and formations, such as wheeling, and wedge formations.


Our goal in the next few years is to have a Kickstarter and other crowdfunding campaigns released for the game.

This tabletop wargame by Bayonet & Ricochet miniatures will be designed with a rich backstory set in an alternate earth, the factions in the game will be a mash of actual historical groups, such as Britains, Russians, Vikings. The cultures in the game are being named with conventions from dead languages, such as old English, germanic.
As an example, one of the cultures will be called Rus Dane Menn' (or the men who row a play on words of the Rus Vikings) or the Aer Kings (First Kings) in old English/Germanic. Our game devs are somewhat historians in their own right and have spent a lot of time world building with a lot of emphasis on the life, and history of the 15th 16th century.
Yes there will be a dash of fantasy in the game. However, The majority of the miniatures will be able to be used by historical gamers in other games if they so chose.


The other central theme of this game is the brutality of the 16th century age, and it is our intent to not pull any punches, to make the storied elements of the game as horrific, and visceral as possible. The The more we can offend those that clutch their pearls the better. This will not be a game for all ages.

Additionally, we are attempting to make our line of miniatures multi-pose, instead of monopose and our designs all reflect a commitment to personal creativity, over style. A number of helmets, jousting guards(shields), and more will be available with each Knight and should be able to switch out the horse, torso, and head on each model however we have been unable to make the legs, multi-pose at this time. . We will continue to update sneak previews of our historical like 15-16th century Knights, men at arms, and other miniatures as time allows.

And lastly a statement of our ethics as a company.


Our company strongly believes in freedom of expression, freedom of ideas, and freedom of speech. Bayonet & Ricochet will choose freedom of speech, and diversity of ideas, and the free exchange of thought over temporary security every single time.
As we strive to be part of a free society, instead of a hyper corporate, hyper restrictive mono-culture, demanding strict conformity over free expression. Our goals are not to create a game that centers around mono-cultural diversity, but to make a game where creativity and personal choice matter.
Our goals are not to be equitable, but to make a game historical, and to build story over mono-cultural equability. You're free to paint your miniatures anyway that you want, but we will not change our game to force inclusivity, instead we will focus on a good story, good game play mechanics, and complexity.
Our goal is to offend, because history is offensive and horrific, and terrible, and our game is strongly influenced by history and it's lessons. We will not pull punches, we will not pander and we will never bend the knee.
We plan to create good games, for war game fans. Not weekend impulse buyers that move onto the next fidget spinner, or tickle me elmo craze. Our dedication is to WARGAMERS!


Our mission with Bayonet & Ricochet is to make historical-like miniatures, and through the study of history, we've learned something very important, those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat its horrific atrocities every single time.


“With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged….”-Aaron Satie words of wisdom and warning”

― Jean Luc Picard"

So when is the portfolio coming?

 Lance845 wrote:
Alright

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

It's actually in an attempt to repair a major miss-step. And to call attention to some things that have been stated in order post by others, back and forths and so on. it's actually going remarkably well considering the outright hostility I've received for the majority of posts for simple disagreement. DakkaDakka isn't a place where people enjoy differing opinions.

In my experience, Dakka, like everywhere, is a place where some individuals are entrenched in some of their opinions and they will not listen otherwise. But there are a lot of people who really enjoy a good debate/conversation. You might need a thicker skin to get to those people but they are there.

Criticizing others' work , yes but I didn't see another way of going about addressing some of the takes in the 3D printing community.

If you are selling yourself, nobody cares about other peoples work. They are about yours. A guy on here made an entire new paint brand. He didn't sell his paint by gaking on other brands. He sold his paint by showing how good his paint was. You have other options. They either are not ready (at which point why are you getting into it?) or you are unwilling to show it. The point mentioned of wanting to see what these models look like unpainted with photograph-able resins printed on the average market printers is a really good one. Thats basically all anyone printing this stuff cares about.

DakkaDakka is a toxic and hostile online forum with thousands of individuals that view it. Not everyone is toxic but there are people here that TROLL others. I have felt that I have been the target of trolls and originally should have not responded.. Now I am simply trying to play catch up. Dakka is also has a large far-left community and center-left community, it expresses and has shoved out many due to political idealogy, and is a very impossible place to have a discussion where people feel entitled to belittle others, being it as far left community. I have expressed concern publicly for the monocultural sentiment, and publicly shamed others for not agreeing with opinions. It actually seems or allegedly or appears to be taboo.. amongst far-leftists, and center-left/liberals alike. it's some kind of disturbing behaviour where people that lean left, or emulate that group, and among the younger crowd. That opinions are some kind of personal truth.. that must be agreed with, and even the slight disagreement is seen as a savagely kicking a puppy. This behaviour and cultural norm didn't exist less than ten years ago.

Why are you, as a business, getting into politics on a forum where you are trying to sell your toy soldier 3d print files? None of the rest of what you have to say on this maters. Thats the only question. Why is this even a talking point? Your account is named after your business. You're here to market and sell your product.

In reality, they want an apology, they want me to beg at the alter of and self falgulate over telling them no.. you're incorrect and no your opinion is crap and here's why. No it's not the entirety of DakakDakka.. it'sa few dare I say disturbed individuals with nothing better to do than attack others online.

However, they will gleefully revel in continuing the flaming which is detrimental to the business as a whole, regardless if say sorry or not. So I chose to try and talk to people on a case-by-case basis.

You don't need a case by case basis. And you shouldn't be arguing with your customers. You show them a superior product by making a superior product. Right now it looks like your biggest misstep was getting out here at all as early as you did with nothing to show.

We have seen public examples of shaming long, long after the fact of issuing public apologies to idealogical, possed, and indoctrinated individuals. You never ever bend the Knee, you never comply, you never make an apology, you never back down and you never give in an inch or they will use all of that against you, and take a hundred miles for one inch.

This isn't a war. You're selling software to make toys.

Honestly, it's good business for business so far, it's allowed me to reach out to other conservatives and centrists, and people of like mind that are afraid to speak out, afraid of their peers, afraid of being othered. and people that see the attacks, and don't agree with them. I've made many friends since this all started.

Am I attacking the community at a large no.

I guess if your position is to limit your customer base to people who match your political ideology then, congratz? I just don't see what the one has to do with the other in what is already a niche market.

There are many in this community that openly wear their hatred on their sleeves and I have responded to them in kind.. Was it a mistake to respond.. yes but the door was kicked open already, pandoras box is already open. And allI can do at this point is damage control.

I am not a social media expert by any means. And my only hope is talking to people trying to show conviction allows me to help rebuild my public image here.. with the few members of the community that are willing to mend bridges.

We have announced since launch that we are a conservative miniatures company.

I am not a fan of fake polite coprate monoculture, I am navigating this the best way that I know how.. Trying to have a conversation.

I don't think people respond to conviction on stuff like this unless it's extremists. Nobody really gives a feth. They just want to play toy soldiers and paint. Making this about more than that invites challenge. You got it buddy.

Well I strongly disagree and will stick my ethics thank you.

"You don't need a case by case basis. And you shouldn't be arguing with your customers. You show them a superior product by making a superior product. Right now it looks like your biggest misstep was getting out here at all as early as you did with nothing to show. " -

Well I've expressed there are customers here on Dakka Dakka but not all of the people are our target audience. And Thus I have not argued with my customers, because those that take what I consider to be ideological driven take not be our customer base. As for nothing to show, that's not exactly true, we have a number of teasers, we have other social media and twitch where sculpting is done live. And compared to DakkaDakka everything else has gone swimmingly with zero hostility. DakkaDakka being an out liar and known for the most toxic Warhammer community amongst the majority of places 40k can be found on social media.

"Why are you, as a business, getting into politics on a forum where you are trying to sell your toy soldier 3d print files? None of the rest of what you have to say on this maters. Thats the only question. Why is this even a talking point? Your account is named after your business. You're here to market and sell your product. " - To conservatives..

"This isn't a war. You're selling software to make toys." There is a culture war and it's important for conservative creators to foster a strong culture, as politics is downwind of culture. Everything is a battleground everything, every movie, every song, every social media platform, every conversation and has been since the rise of cancel culture. And lastly, actually, I am not an STL provider.. I am a 3D modeller, and sculptor that is attempting to produce physical models. But have had many many unfortunate mishaps with failed printers, and production issues.

And to the rest of your takes well you're welcome to conduct your wargame manufacturing company any way you see fit.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:


We have announced since inception that we are a conservative company, in a wargame culture that is dominated by liberals, that have pushed every conservative out of every company, out of every gaming hobby, out of every comic book store, in favour of corporate monocultural homogeneity.

Look, you do you, but nothing about the way you are conducting yourself makes me think your business will succeed.

This feels like either you believe in your values 1000% or this is some kind of elaborate troll. If you are trying to do this out of some kind of earnest motive... then you really need to try to understand that you're coming off really poorly and will struggle to win people to your side with how you present yourself. If this is an elaborate troll job, then, okay. Have your fun I guess?

 bbb wrote:

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:


We have announced since inception that we are a conservative company, in a wargame culture that is dominated by liberals, that have pushed every conservative out of every company, out of every gaming hobby, out of every comic book store, in favour of corporate monocultural homogeneity.

Look, you do you, but nothing about the way you are conducting yourself makes me think your business will succeed.

This feels like either you believe in your values 1000% or this is some kind of elaborate troll. If you are trying to do this out of some kind of earnest motive... then you really need to try to understand that you're coming off really poorly and will struggle to win people to your side with how you present yourself. If this is an elaborate troll job, then, okay. Have your fun I guess?

And how would you respond to being unallowed to speak, having to walk on glass, being unallowed to address hostility? I charge you to handle the same virtoral and hate, misplaced anger, insane demands with even half as much grace. It's not easy bud. You say one thing positive 50 people get offened, you explain why 50 more get offened.

You received light critiques, often when asking for critique, and then lashed out. I don’t know what to tell you, other than to toughen up mentally.

Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:

And how would you respond to being unallowed to speak, having to walk on glass, being unallowed to address hostility? I charge you to handle the same virtoral and hate, misplaced anger, insane demands with even half as much grace. It's not easy bud. You say one thing positive 50 people get offened, you explain why 50 more get offened.

If everything you say is being met with hostility, maybe it's worth considering that the problem might be with what you're saying rather than everybody else.

This thread started out badly, and I'm not seeing that it's going to achieve anything constructive. Insulting people is unlikely to persuade them to see things your way, or to treat you more favourably in the future.

Moving on.