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He said he was there for years. He wasn't with the Sand People for that long.

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Oh no. I’ll have to watch that episode again.

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I don’t think he said he was In the Pit for years, just that it had been such since he fell in.

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minor point, but i've just noticded the space mods are literally CALLED mods in star wars as well, in this case a contraction of "modification". Its also clearly a youth subculture of sorts, the tech-priest (im too 40k to call him anything else) is rather suprised that anyone as old as boda was intrested/aware of his services.

i get the feeling the accents must be an affection by the mods, they are deliberately trying to sound Coruscanti (as it has been established in EU lore that the RP "imperial" accent is the accent of the throneworld, or at least parts of it). the rest of the "urban street gang" trappings make more sense if you view it though the lens of a bunch of backwater kids posing, trying desperately to be all big-city cool and stuff (we all know the type, the ones with the tricked out banger for a car and are trying to look like their cruising Mayfair/Venice beach, not some podunk farmers village in Dorset/Idaho (delete cultural references as appropriate)).


yhea, the timeline is a little screwy, its not clear how long he was "Under", and even less clear how long the events of the flashbacks took, but a timescale of months seems about right, but the man that Djinn got fetts armour off seemed to have it for quite a lot long than that, (given the spread of rumours of him in it).

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Mando takes place 5 years after ROTJ, right?

It seems Fett was out of the Sarlacc for maybe a few months as he spent time with the Tuskans.

So he was in that thing for years.

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I took it that he was doing his dances with banthas lifestyle change for almost all of the "years" he referred to. He'd have died of dehydration in just a few days in the desert even in the moist sarlacc pit.

Not a fan of this episode but better than the last which wasn't hard to do. The Boba Hill tiny droid slapstick chase and "look we can be cyberpunk too!" scenes were gratuitous padding that I think detract from the episode overall. Still, seeing him get both the Slave I and his revenge was nice. I'm also liking Fennec and Krrsantan as characters.

All in all, I think this show would have been better as a two hour made for streaming movie that showed his post-sarlacc character progression instead of a nonlinear series with flashbacks. They should have left the post-Bib Fortuna coup stuff for a follow-up.

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Really liked this episode. One advantage of Boba being a bit... ineffective at times is that it allows Fennec to show how badass she is.

I'm guessing that Boba was only in the Sarlacc for a few days - there's no chance that something as tasty and lootable as a crashed sail barge is going to have sat undisturbed by Jawas for longer than that, nearby carnivorous plant or no.

By that logic he must have been with the Sand People for years which... also doesn't make much sense. So. Whatever. We're in Star Wars Time.

The Mods seem interesting - Boba Knows what a Mod parlour is, and one way or another he's been out of the loop for years. So presumably it's a galaxy wide teenage fashion, which may only just have reached Tattoine.

Sure, it's not much like how Luke grew up - but consider what he and his pals seemed to be up to. Driving speeders, racing down Beggars Canyon in their modified skyhoppers - it's very American Graffiti, early '60s.

On the other side of the Atlantic, the Mods were in full swing with suits and mopeds.

Makes a bit of sense for a trend to take a decade to make it to a planet that's "Furthest from the bright centre of the universe"
   
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Really liked this episode. One advantage of Boba being a bit... ineffective at times is that it allows Fennec to show how badass she is.

I really liked the hard cut when he couldn't duck enough to get through the sewer entrance. It set the tone perfectly. He played Tom and Jerry, she killed pretty much everybody, neatly undercutting the worry of 'too many guards'

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Slave I over the Sarlaac pit honestly irritates me.
1- He crawled out _in his armor_. Its not going to be inside, even if he doesn't remember the Jawas.

2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?

3- Casual monster spelunking. Why?
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His deal with Fennec makes zero sense to me. He's talking a lot of crap, but his vague loyalty promise doesn't make him any less a boss and her any less likely to die from his decisions.

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The Wookie's knuckle dusters 'are more feared than blasters.'
Really now? The ones that do no permanent damage to anyone, not even random mooks?


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Anyway, glad the plot moved on and caught up, and found time for casual vengeance. He still seems pointlessly naive and idealistic, but at least it finally feels like its going somewhere.
[Still say its going to end in cursing sudden yet inevitable betrayal]

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I think there is an implication he was with the sand people for years, maybe a few before he got his clothing, and a few more after, there may have been a time jump between his visit to the pykes and the massacre of the tuskens also.

However... One thing I don't think is established in star wars (official canon anyway) is what a year is. I doubt it's as long (or short) as one of our years year, that would make zero sense.


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Most definitely reading too much into it, but I feel like Jennifer Beals (how is she 58?) Twilek casino/bar/whatever owner is a red herring. Was quick to get Boba his tribute and get him outside for the ninja's. The Huts showed up when Boba went there and potentially getting him killed in a standoff, and she's awfully fearless in the face of a rampaging Wookie, being well informed of his history and all. Granted, she probably has to deal with all sorts of crazy gak in a sci-fi house of vice and knows how to push the correct buttons.

Like I said, probably reading too much into it.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think there is an implication he was with the sand people for years, maybe a few before he got his clothing, and a few more after, there may have been a time jump between his visit to the pykes and the massacre of the tuskens also.

However... One thing I don't think is established in star wars (official canon anyway) is what a year is. I doubt it's as long (or short) as one of our years year, that would make zero sense.



I'm sure its buried somewhere. Some compromise based on the the length of Coruscant's year (as the capital) that's vaguely Earthlike so as not to throw off the audience.

Yep, have a pile of references:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_year#:~:text=A%20standard%20year%20(SY

So yeah. Exactly 365 days of 24 hours.
Its a cheap and easy cheat for fantasy and sci-fi, but there isn't much point on wasting audience buy-in trying to re-calculate time (even more so if you're going to make up BS names for your new system)

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Most definitely reading too much into it, but I feel like Jennifer Beals (how is she 58?) Twilek casino/bar/whatever owner is a red herring. Was quick to get Boba his tribute and get him outside for the ninja's. The Huts showed up when Boba went there and potentially getting him killed in a standoff, and she's awfully fearless in the face of a rampaging Wookie, being well informed of his history and all. Granted, she probably has to deal with all sorts of crazy gak in a sci-fi house of vice and knows how to push the correct buttons.

Like I said, probably reading too much into it.

It could go either way. She could be a power behind the throne or a potential/hidden-in-plain-sight boss herself, or just a capable 'madame' of an establishment. I hope they don't waste her, but who knows- they've burned every backstory element so far.

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The last episode was nice wrap up for Boba in the past and his little intimidation show at the end was pretty nice, I was half expecting he would pull the inspiring "let's defend our home" speech to get others on his side. The sound cue at the end makes me think Fett is going to call in some Mandalorian help. I doubt we will see Din coming back though (I suspect that at that point, he's knee deep in Gideon and Mandalorian problems) it would be entirely possible. I actually suspect we will see the Armorer and what remains of her people. That could be in her line of work.

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Whoever he brings in to help, it will be an assortment of characters we are already familiar with I’m sure.

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mando takes place 5 years after ROTJ, right?

It seems Fett was out of the Sarlacc for maybe a few months as he spent time with the Tuskans.

So he was in that thing for years.


He was in it for days at most. The marshal from the Mandalorian got his armor days after the mercs crashed his End of Empire party, and the Battle of Endor was only a short time after Jabba's death.

He's lived most of those five years with the Tusken.

Also, who knows how long he had the Delirium Lizard in his head. He certainly didn't go to the nearest DIY store for his piece of wood.

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2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?


A lot of stuff in Star Wars hovers that cannot be adequately explained with thrusters, from Mandalorian jetpack to Star Destroyers. I don't see how that is a problem in a setting with cheap and widely available repulsor tech.


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Whoever he brings in to help, it will be an assortment of characters we are already familiar with I’m sure.


I mean, that's a given, right? They wouldn't play that familiar tune at the end of that scene if he didn't.

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Still wait for crime stuff to happen...


to be fair, Boda Fett runs a extortion/protection racket, and just sat down with a bunch of drug dealers (or at least, people who make money form drug sales) to discuss all the ways they can skim even more money off the plebs, and is gearing up for a gang war with another gang over his territory, plus seems quite happy with torture, not to mention "general protagonist" murders, breaking and entering, train robbing, etc.

Hes hardly a snow white pillar of moral purity.

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to be fair, Boda Fett runs a extortion.protection racket, and just sat down with a bunch of drug dealers (or at least, people who make money form drug sales) to discuss all the ways they can skim even more money off the plebs, and is gearing up for a gang war with another gang over his territory, plus seems quite happy with torture, not to mention general protagonist murders, breaking and entering, train robbing, etc.

Hes hardly a snow white pillar of moral purity.


Equally that could have been a council meeting in most countries on the earth... Heroes always get to break and enter, they have the 'higher calling' that excuses them from petty crime penalties, and the train was sold as attacking murderers as opposed to looting...
   
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If that's your baseline, you're not going to find crime in Book of Boba. Or Star Wars in general, for that matter.

Remember when Luke walked into the lobby of a private residence and murdered two security guards for trying to check his invitation?

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At the very least ordering the goons to go kill X and their family, or recording holo messages for droids to play declaring he is the Prince of Tatooine and can deposit a million credits in their account.

Or just disintegrating someone.

At this point I would take the holo message.
   
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This is the first episode that really felt like it had a sense of itself. Can't help but feel like the series would have been stronger if they had put all the flashbacks in the first episode and cut about of an episode worth of futzing about in between.

Also not bombing the pit first was the dumbest thing I've seen in a while.
   
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 Geifer wrote:

Voss wrote:
2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?


A lot of stuff in Star Wars hovers that cannot be adequately explained with thrusters, from Mandalorian jetpack to Star Destroyers. I don't see how that is a problem in a setting with cheap and widely available repulsor tech.

Because the thrusters are pictured pushing (down) and there is a complete lack of repulsors on the smooth cockpit dome? Its an incredibly stupid scene, even for this show (which has set a really low bar)

xerxeskingofking wrote:
to be fair, Boda Fett runs a extortion.protection racket, and just sat down with a bunch of drug dealers (or at least, people who make money form drug sales) to discuss all the ways they can skim even more money off the plebs,

Have you seen a future scene? Because none of that happens in the episode.
He specifically tells them he doesn't want money (or troops) from them, they don't owe him anything but respect and that peace is just inherently profitable.
It was actually very bizarre.

He wants the title and nothing else, apparently.

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Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

Voss wrote:
2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?


A lot of stuff in Star Wars hovers that cannot be adequately explained with thrusters, from Mandalorian jetpack to Star Destroyers. I don't see how that is a problem in a setting with cheap and widely available repulsor tech.

Because the thrusters are pictured pushing (down) and there is a complete lack of repulsors on the smooth cockpit dome? Its an incredibly stupid scene, even for this show (which has set a really low bar)


Not sure what to say to that. I never got the impression that Star Wars anti-grav technology made use of visible emitters, so the smooth cockpit dome doesn't get in the way of that as far as I'm aware.

The thrusters? Why do car drivers who are just sitting around and waiting keep the engine running? What does that achieve, other than burning fuel? And yet, people still do that because after minutes of waiting it'll save them seconds once they actually want to go anywhere. If the repulsor field can compensate for low output, I don't see why Boba wouldn't do that. Doesn't have to be the smartest thing to do, as long as it doesn't get in the way of keeping the ship up. And Star Wars isn't exactly hard sci-fi, so if the writers think the repulsor field can compensate, it will.

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Voss wrote:

Have you seen a future scene? Because none of that happens in the episode.
He specifically tells them he doesn't want money (or troops) from them, they don't owe him anything but respect and that peace is just inherently profitable.
It was actually very bizarre.

He wants the title and nothing else, apparently.



what i saw was a reminder that they were not as well off now as under jabba, that the pykes were taking over and shifting the profits to themselves and taking it off world, and a pitch to join him for the common good (and wealth), to create a "defensive alliance until the pyke syndicate is vanquished" (exact quote, I just re-watched the scene), which they refused (saying it was a feud between boda and the pykes, and why should they bleed for his vendetta?), followed by him declaring he will do it alone (ie prove that hes strong enough and "worthy" of being followed) and requests them to stay neutral while he dealt with the common enemy (which they accepted).

He DOES wants more than the title, he is collecting tribute/protection money, after all. He's just trying to build his little empire on more than pure fear and intimidation, on the basis that if your underlings follow you only out of fear, they will turn on you the second they can to get out. Those gamoreans that saved him in ep1 could easily have bolted, given they were (inexplicably) some distance form him at the start of the attack, but they chose to go and save him. the mods are working for him because hes the only one offering them a job, a hope for something better than beating up water resellers to get drinking water. the bounty hunter who he could easily have killed is now his show muscle, etc, etc.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

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 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

Voss wrote:
2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?


A lot of stuff in Star Wars hovers that cannot be adequately explained with thrusters, from Mandalorian jetpack to Star Destroyers. I don't see how that is a problem in a setting with cheap and widely available repulsor tech.

Because the thrusters are pictured pushing (down) and there is a complete lack of repulsors on the smooth cockpit dome? Its an incredibly stupid scene, even for this show (which has set a really low bar)


Not sure what to say to that. I never got the impression that Star Wars anti-grav technology made use of visible emitters, so the smooth cockpit dome doesn't get in the way of that as far as I'm aware.

The thrusters? Why do car drivers who are just sitting around and waiting keep the engine running? What does that achieve, other than burning fuel? And yet, people still do that because after minutes of waiting it'll save them seconds once they actually want to go anywhere. If the repulsor field can compensate for low output, I don't see why Boba wouldn't do that. Doesn't have to be the smartest thing to do, as long as it doesn't get in the way of keeping the ship up. And Star Wars isn't exactly hard sci-fi, so if the writers think the repulsor field can compensate, it will.


I guess that's the difference. I don't know anything about a 'repulsor field,' (beyond its presumably what's on the bottom of various speeder vehicles to make them hover) and I suspect the writers don't either. That seems like fan mind caulk for a plot hole, rather than anything that's actually been established. The thrusters on the underside of the ship make it go, and the weird paddles on the side give it some maneuverability (presumably). Everything else is physics as we understand it, so it looked like he was trying to ram the Sarlaac but was magically just hovering upside down instead, in defiance of.... well, pretty much everything.

If what you're positing works, every time Luke and company got his Land Speeder to go somewhere, the 'repulsor field' would have ejected them because its all the way around the vehicle. Instead of just on the bottom and the engines on the back push forward (and each can fire separately so it can turn).


Even more damning, the entire train heist in this show is instantly invalidated in the dumbest way possible. Hit the 'extend repulsor field' button and all boarders are immediately ejected.

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Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

Voss wrote:
2- How do thrusters work? Seriously... upside down? What?


A lot of stuff in Star Wars hovers that cannot be adequately explained with thrusters, from Mandalorian jetpack to Star Destroyers. I don't see how that is a problem in a setting with cheap and widely available repulsor tech.

Because the thrusters are pictured pushing (down) and there is a complete lack of repulsors on the smooth cockpit dome? Its an incredibly stupid scene, even for this show (which has set a really low bar)


Not sure what to say to that. I never got the impression that Star Wars anti-grav technology made use of visible emitters, so the smooth cockpit dome doesn't get in the way of that as far as I'm aware.

The thrusters? Why do car drivers who are just sitting around and waiting keep the engine running? What does that achieve, other than burning fuel? And yet, people still do that because after minutes of waiting it'll save them seconds once they actually want to go anywhere. If the repulsor field can compensate for low output, I don't see why Boba wouldn't do that. Doesn't have to be the smartest thing to do, as long as it doesn't get in the way of keeping the ship up. And Star Wars isn't exactly hard sci-fi, so if the writers think the repulsor field can compensate, it will.


I guess that's the difference. I don't know anything about a 'repulsor field,' (beyond its presumably what's on the bottom of various speeder vehicles to make them hover) and I suspect the writers don't either. That seems like fan mind caulk for a plot hole, rather than anything that's actually been established. The thrusters on the underside of the ship make it go, and the weird paddles on the side give it some maneuverability (presumably). Everything else is physics as we understand it, so it looked like he was trying to ram the Sarlaac but was magically just hovering upside down instead, in defiance of.... well, pretty much everything.

If what you're positing works, every time Luke and company got his Land Speeder to go somewhere, the 'repulsor field' would have ejected them because its all the way around the vehicle. Instead of just on the bottom and the engines on the back push forward (and each can fire separately so it can turn).


Even more damning, the entire train heist in this show is instantly invalidated in the dumbest way possible. Hit the 'extend repulsor field' button and all boarders are immediately ejected.


Nope. Starwars isn't Sci Fi. It's fantasy in space. None of it makes sense and none of it has to. Fire Mares can travel 1000 leagues in a day. How? How does that kind of speed or the fire not hurt everyone involved? How do the people of Krull hold fire, put it in water, then take fire from water, and never burn their hands? Cause fantasy.

SW tech never made sense. Nothing we see here is any weirder then anything we saw at any other point in SW.

Lightsabers are pure nonsense too btw.

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Nope. Starwars isn't Sci Fi. It's fantasy in space. None of it makes sense and none of it has to. Fire Mares can travel 1000 leagues in a day. How? How does that kind of speed or the fire not hurt everyone involved? How do the people of Krull hold fire, put it in water, then take fire from water, and never burn their hands? Cause fantasy.

I have no idea what either of those are, but they sound awful. 'Fantasy in space' isn't an excuse for random crap that isn't consistent and doesn't make sense in universe. Its just different theming from sci-fi- which usually leans heavily on the 'fiction' part. 'Hard' sci-fi bores me, and honestly isn't usually any better. Its often worse because it fetishizes the tech, and doesn't deal with the people/characters, which is what I want to/can connect with. Sometimes, anyway. (both Anakin and Boba are dead, lifeless voids to me)

SW tech never made sense. Nothing we see here is any weirder then anything we saw at any other point in SW.

Yeah... I've complained about other stuff too in other films and shows, so that isn't a convincing argument for 'don't think or talk about it'

Lightsabers are pure nonsense too btw.

Sure. But they're consistent nonsense. Having a Space Melee Weapon with a strong theme doesn't bother me. Are they realistic? Nope. That isn't even in the same star system as the problem.
It actually annoyed me more when they started to make up magic space rocks that were specially resistant to them and other nonsense.


The problem I have with Geifer's approach to defending the show from criticism (which is kind of a 'why bother?' to me anyway), is that the manufactured reasons to make it sound OK actually cause more consistency problems than they solve.

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Voss wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:

Nope. Starwars isn't Sci Fi. It's fantasy in space. None of it makes sense and none of it has to. Fire Mares can travel 1000 leagues in a day. How? How does that kind of speed or the fire not hurt everyone involved? How do the people of Krull hold fire, put it in water, then take fire from water, and never burn their hands? Cause fantasy.

I have no idea what either of those are, but they sound awful. 'Fantasy in space' isn't an excuse for random crap that isn't consistent and doesn't make sense in universe. Its just different theming from sci-fi- which usually leans heavily on the 'fiction' part. 'Hard' sci-fi bores me, and honestly isn't usually any better. Its often worse because it fetishizes the tech, and doesn't deal with the people/characters, which is what I want to/can connect with. Sometimes, anyway. (both Anakin and Boba are dead, lifeless voids to me)


It's the movie Krull! It's pretty good!

I am not saying it's an excuse and you should let it go. I am saying SW has always been this bad. It just has.

SW tech never made sense. Nothing we see here is any weirder then anything we saw at any other point in SW.

Yeah... I've complained about other stuff too in other films and shows, so that isn't a convincing argument for 'don't think or talk about it'


I am not arguing don't talk about it. I am arguing this is par for the course of SW.

Lightsabers are pure nonsense too btw.

Sure. But they're consistent nonsense. Having a Space Melee Weapon with a strong theme doesn't bother me. Are they realistic? Nope. That isn't even in the same star system as the problem.
It actually annoyed me more when they started to make up magic space rocks that were specially resistant to them and other nonsense.


I wouldn't call it consistent. Lightsabers cut through everything with no resistance all the time. Until the prequels when you need to slowly melt through a door.

The problem I have with Geifer's approach to defending the show from criticism (which is kind of a 'why bother?' to me anyway), is that the manufactured reasons to make it sound OK actually cause more consistency problems than they solve.


Agreed. But as I said, I am not defending it. I am simply saying this is what it's always been. Bad.


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Voss wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:

Nope. Starwars isn't Sci Fi. It's fantasy in space. None of it makes sense and none of it has to. Fire Mares can travel 1000 leagues in a day. How? How does that kind of speed or the fire not hurt everyone involved? How do the people of Krull hold fire, put it in water, then take fire from water, and never burn their hands? Cause fantasy.

I have no idea what either of those are, but they sound awful. 'Fantasy in space' isn't an excuse for random crap that isn't consistent and doesn't make sense in universe. Its just different theming from sci-fi- which usually leans heavily on the 'fiction' part. 'Hard' sci-fi bores me, and honestly isn't usually any better. Its often worse because it fetishizes the tech, and doesn't deal with the people/characters, which is what I want to/can connect with. Sometimes, anyway. (both Anakin and Boba are dead, lifeless voids to me)


It's the movie Krull! It's pretty good!

Ah, yeah. Krull is fun. I thought you were giving specific star wars examples from comics or cartoons or whatever.

I guess I get the 'its always been bad argument,' but I've also hearing a lot about how wonderful this series is and how this and Mando and in particular Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni are saving us all from the horrors of the sequels and all that rot.
And then these things happen and... well. I don't feel 'saved.'

Though I do notice some of the incessant positivity vanished when the show summarily set its own 'rich, complex backstory' (and accompanying allegory) on fire.

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