Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**Not Online!!!**

cole1114 wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
cole1114 wrote:
I could totally see them toning down on unique cult units, even if it would suck.
What makes you think they'd do that?

Indeed, history suggests otherwise. When they spun-off the Thousand Sons, they got a new Rubric Marines kit and a new terminator unit. Death Guard got even more. At the very least, I would expect to see new Berzerkers and some kind of terminator unit.

Cult as in cultist, sorry.

there is not much they can tone down anymore in that regard.

BTW, the Priest, banner and Psyker checks out with how the normal / average Chaos cult is built hierarchically.
The problem is, that quite a few cults heavily differ from that build however.

**cole1114**

Not Online!!! wrote:
cole1114 wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
cole1114 wrote:
I could totally see them toning down on unique cult units, even if it would suck.
What makes you think they'd do that?

Indeed, history suggests otherwise. When they spun-off the Thousand Sons, they got a new Rubric Marines kit and a new terminator unit. Death Guard got even more. At the very least, I would expect to see new Berzerkers and some kind of terminator unit.

Cult as in cultist, sorry.

there is not much they can tone down anymore in that regard.

BTW, the Priest, banner and Psyker checks out with how the normal / average Chaos cult is built hierarchically.
The problem is, that quite a few cults heavily differ from that build however.

As in unlike death guard/thousand sons, not giving world eaters any unique cultist-level units. So no tzaangor/poxwalker equivalents. There also haven't been any rumors or leaks towards any kind of like 40k red butchers or anything, so that really just leaves them with the zerkers and whatever the claw rumor engine was. Which leaves a pretty anemic book, compared to all the leaks we get for everything else.

**Dudeface**

cole1114 wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
cole1114 wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
cole1114 wrote:
I could totally see them toning down on unique cult units, even if it would suck.
What makes you think they'd do that?

Indeed, history suggests otherwise. When they spun-off the Thousand Sons, they got a new Rubric Marines kit and a new terminator unit. Death Guard got even more. At the very least, I would expect to see new Berzerkers and some kind of terminator unit.

Cult as in cultist, sorry.

there is not much they can tone down anymore in that regard.

BTW, the Priest, banner and Psyker checks out with how the normal / average Chaos cult is built hierarchically.
The problem is, that quite a few cults heavily differ from that build however.

As in unlike death guard/thousand sons, not giving world eaters any unique cultist-level units. So no tzaangor/poxwalker equivalents. There also haven't been any rumors or leaks towards any kind of like 40k red butchers or anything, so that really just leaves them with the zerkers and whatever the claw rumor engine was. Which leaves a pretty anemic book, compared to all the leaks we get for everything else.

There's so little known about the world eaters release at this time that it's too early to judge anything, we have no idea if they will or won't have a mortal unit or anything else.

**H.B.M.C.**

BSF did give us 40k Beastmen - generic ones. Mabye WE will get angry Khorngors?

**chaos0xomega**

I expect the World Eaters release to look more like Death Guard than Thousand Sons. The way GW has handled Thousand Sons has been lazy compared to how Death Guard were handled - Death Guard basically have an almost entirely distinct model range to fill out their roster on top of a handful of shared units with Codex CSM. With Thousand Sons its basically the opposite where most of their units are shared with Codex CSM and then they have a handful of unique units on top of it.

**Wha-Mu-077**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I expect the World Eaters release to look more like Death Guard than Thousand Sons. The way GW has handled Thousand Sons has been lazy compared to how Death Guard were handled - Death Guard basically have an almost entirely distinct model range to fill out their roster on top of a handful of shared units with Codex CSM. With Thousand Sons its basically the opposite where most of their units are shared with Codex CSM and then they have a handful of unique units on top of it.

Don't forget the fact most of TSons' "unique" models aren't even TSons, but are just AoS models ported over.

**GaroRobe**

Hmm. So one of the war dogs heads is basically just the chaos knight sans mask, but small. Seems kinda lazy

**H.B.M.C.**

Ooooh!

Aaah!

Ooooooooh!

More here.

What's interesting is that the ammo pack for the Gatling gun is reversible.

**Sasori**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ooooh!

What's interesting is that the ammo pack for the Gatling gun is reversible.

I created a new thread just for Chaos Knights.

**Not Online!!!**

Lol i literally converted such amirigers before GW released them with gattling and claw

as an alternative for my R&H

Edit: just checked when i finished mine, ca 4 years ago

Thanks GW very cool

Spoiler:

**drbored**

I didn't realize that Chaos Knights were part of the Chaos Space Marines...

This being the 'Chaos Space Marines codex rumors' thread and all.

**H.B.M.C.**

And their wasn't a thread for them until after I posted the pics. I think you'll live.

**ArcaneHorror**

For the Chaos Lord, I hope we keep the option to take two chainswords.

**EviscerationPlague**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
For the Chaos Lord, I hope we keep the option to take two chainswords.

Uh was there any incentive to do that?

**Dudeface**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
For the Chaos Lord, I hope we keep the option to take two chainswords.

Uh was there any incentive to do that?

only the black legion chainlord but it's naive to expect the relic and warlord trait combo to remain identical.

**Sersi**

So even more units with strike and sweep attacks with the new Knights rules. Is it not strange that the rumors don't mention any changes to the Daemon Prince in that regard.

**BorderCountess**

Sersi wrote:
So even more units with strike and sweep attacks with the new Knights rules. Is it not strange that the rumors don't mention any changes to the Daemon Prince in that regard.

Why would they? Daemon Princes didn't get that for either Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

**Strg Alt**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
For the Chaos Lord, I hope we keep the option to take two chainswords.

Uh was there any incentive to do that?

Drizzt Do´Urden cosplay.

**Sersi**

Updates from Clockworkchris:

Update post, Corrected the CSM doctrine with the true info.

CSM doctrine:

Similar to SM Doctrine, except exploding 6s (unmodified hits) instead of +1AP. Still 3 levels that affect different weapons (the weapons listed below are not confirmed by my sources, but the ones in the legion traits are confirmed by my sources as well as the names, so what I am about to list may be subject to change)
Destruction ''Doctrine''; turn 1: Heavy/grenade/Rapid fire
Massacre ''Doctrine''; turn 2-3: Rapid fire/assault/pistol
Slaughter ''Doctrine''; turn 4-end: pistol/melee/assault

So, turn 4+ melee bonuses a real shame if your Legion has a Slaughter super doctrine.

**Marshal Loss**

It's probably like the SM version, where you can choose on turn 3 to switch from massacre to slaughter, and there will inevitably be ways to manipulate it.

**Sersi**

While not revealed yet there probably is a way to change the doctrine early. But its another resource we'll have to spend, and its just worse than the Loyalists who get their melee doctrine on turn 3.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

Marshal Loss wrote:
It's probably like the SM version, where you can choose on turn 3 to switch from massacre to slaughter, and there will inevitably be ways to manipulate it.

Yeah. Looks like we'll have to take a page from the SM tactics book

Btw, thanks for the update Sersi !

**Gadzilla666**

Remember folks, these are coming from early playtest rules. The leaker doesn't have a finished codex. And gw has a tendency to iterate this stuff right up until they send it off to the printer. That's why the playtestors never see some of the stuff that ends up in the finalized codex.

I would like to know just how old these playtest rules are though.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Remember folks, these are coming from early playtest rules. The leaker doesn't have a finished codex. And gw has a tendency to iterate this stuff right up until they send it off to the printer. That's why the playtestors never see some of the stuff that ends up in the finalized codex.

I would like to know just how old these playtest rules are though.

Beginning of 9th maybe ?

**Marshal Loss**

Sersi wrote:
its just worse than the Loyalists who get their melee doctrine on turn 3.

You're assuming that we won't get the option of automatic access on turn 3 when, frankly, we almost certainly will. I'd be shocked if not. It's just the loyalist doctrine with exploding 6's instead of an AP bonus; it will work in the same way.*

*until loyalists get their 9.5 codex in 6 months with a superior bonus

**Lord Damocles**

Ah yes - strictly regimented combat doctrines - very chaos. Much Marine.

**charles_the_dead_lizzard**

Ok, with the new Dataslate Update the rumoured IW trait is now invalid like Slamanders one. The big question ist if GW will have the old rule printed already and thus if we will see a Day 1 FAQ invalidating once again a great premium rulebook worth 40€ or if they still can adjust it prior to book release.

**chaos0xomega**

Day 1 FAQ that lets IW stack Armour of Contempt w/ AP1/2 reduction?

**charles_the_dead_lizzard**

I would rather expect them to disallow rerolls to wound like Salamanders got now

**Gadzilla666**

Again: these rumours are coming from EARLY playtest rules. We don't know if the IW Legion trait we've seen is going to be the final version in the codex or not. These rumours are not coming from a finished codex.