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So it's early playtest rumours that suggest that they've stolen my Cult units?

So the Night Lords Lord is back in stock. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marines-Night-Lords-Hero

So at the very least we know that he's not being rotated out.

Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So it's early playtest rumours that suggest that they've stolen my Cult units?

Well, yes, but I'm afraid that might be one of the things that sticks. It just sounds too typical of how gw treats CSM. We know the history.

ClockworkZion wrote:So the Night Lords Lord is back in stock. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marines-Night-Lords-Hero

So at the very least we know that he's not being rotated out.

Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

That guy never went away. It was the Jump Lord and the IW Warsmith that got "rotated".

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:So it's early playtest rumours that suggest that they've stolen my Cult units?

Well, yes, but I'm afraid that might be one of the things that sticks. It just sounds too typical of how gw treats CSM. We know the history.

ClockworkZion wrote:So the Night Lords Lord is back in stock. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marines-Night-Lords-Hero

So at the very least we know that he's not being rotated out.

Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

That guy never went away. It was the Jump Lord and the IW Warsmith that got "rotated".

He went out of stock for a while and people were acting like he's leaving in response to the rumored CSM Lord options, but if he's staying then CSM lords are likely going to have a few more options at least.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

Why do you think this is just for power armor? As it reads it works for Daemon Princes and anyone else with the Heretic Astartes key works.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

Why do you think this is just for power armor? As it reads it works for Daemon Princes and anyone else with the Heretic Astartes key works.

And all of our vehicles. Tanks, dreads, flyers, Daemon engines. Hell, even our Cultists get it for now, because they haven't removed the HERETIC ASTARTES keyword from them yet like Death Guard and Thousand Sons. My Fellblade is tougher than a knight now, no invul needed. Groovy.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
its just worse than the Loyalists who get their melee doctrine on turn 3.

You're assuming that we won't get the option of automatic access on turn 3 when, frankly, we almost certainly will. I'd be shocked if not. It's just the loyalist doctrine with exploding 6's instead of an AP bonus; it will work in the same way.*

*until loyalists get their 9.5 codex in 6 months with a superior bonus

Apparently, we won't work the same as Loyalists. According to 'Chris we don't get a stratagem to charge the timing.

The Dark Apostle has a Prayer that can change the doctrine; which might be alright but we have no info on how it works or its limits. At least as a pray that it won't cost CP, but you can still fail your roll. Then there's the opportunity cost of not being able to use a different prayer without using a stratagem. It also makes the DA a priority target. If he's killed early you're boned. But I do like it being a DA prayer though, for fluff reasons.

Then there is also a Warband trait where you activate all three doctrine for that unit after killing a unit; which doesn't help the name Legions outside of Chosen, maybe.

 Sersi wrote:
but we have no info on how it works or its limits

That applies to all of this. Literally none of these rumours are written verbatim as they will appear in the codex and many have already been amended numerous times. Having different peripherals doesn't mean that the ability won't function in fundamentally the same way. Still far safer to assume that we will have the ability to choose to switch in turn 3.

edit: as I expected:

Just reread my notes and misread and for chaos doctrines its as following:

Des1
Mas 2-3
Sla 3+

So it would work as space marines, turn 3 you choose either to stay massacre or switch to slaughter.

No surprise there, but nice to confirm.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Also that power armour buff from the dataslate is nice and spicy.

Why do you think this is just for power armor? As it reads it works for Daemon Princes and anyone else with the Heretic Astartes key works.

Because I think Marines, I think of Power Armour first.

Axes, Attacks and Big Swords!




"... they say we won. They didn't say what we lost." - Captain America

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/18/two-wounds-are-only-the-beginning-for-chaos-space-marine-legionaries


Edit: slow

Also confirmation on the Balefire Acolyte being a unit upgrade:

Speaking of fire, Kill Team’s Balefire Acolyte is sticking around as a unit upgrade for your rank-and-file squads – why should the Thousand Sons be the only ones to put apprentice sorcerers to work? With this insidious PSYKER on-side, you’ll be able to Smite your foes and turn basic troops into psychically-empowered killing machines.**
** What powers will they be using, you ask? Stay tuned…

Looks like a long wait though:

More information is leaking from the Eye of Terror as we speak, so stay tuned to Warhammer Community as we drip-feed the juiciest reveals in the coming months.

Finally. And three attacks confirmed.

The coming *months*? WTF, how far back is the CSM release being pushed, exactly?? O.o

chaos0xomega wrote:
The coming *months*? WTF, how far back is the CSM release being pushed, exactly?? O.o

Months only means more than one. Knights will be next month, and Marines the month after?

I like how they openly admit to "drip-feeding" information. At least they're honest about it. Ugh.

July then for CSM? Next month is both Knight books and June is 2Horus 2Heresy.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Next month is both Knight books

Source? I thought the CK Army Box was coming first with the separate codex a few months later (like they've done with every Army Box)?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
July then for CSM? Next month is both Knight books and June is 2Horus 2Heresy.

I'd expect early June before July*. The big summer edition releases tend to have pre-order dates in middle to late June with a late June to early July release date, and followup releases to July. And then different stuff starting up again at the end of July or beginning of August. And I doubt Chaos Marines are pushed back that far, which leaves the pre-Horus Heresy release window.





*So does my calendar. Strange.

beast_gts wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Next month is both Knight books

Source? I thought the CK Army Box was coming first with the separate codex a few months later (like they've done with every Army Box)?

I don't know how GW does things. But they generally don't do 3 armies a month. So if Knights are May, CSM shouldn't be in May.

Even if its just a box with two codexes they won't do a 3rd army with a general release codex and a bunch of models.

I'm guessing GW is still struggling to get everything into every country in a timely manner (customs still seems to be a nightmare in the US much less in other parts of the world) to launch things in a timely manner.

That said the updated statline is looking pretty tasty and I'm assuming it's 3 attacks without Hateful Assault being a thing anymore.

If its still 'months' out, I'm curious if Armour of Contempt will officially make it into the codex or it'll stick to the dataslate, so they can drop it like a bad potato if it goes over poorly.

I suspect its too late, but if it does, it means they've had AoC in mind for a while.

3 attacks each sounds pretty sweet.

The Kill Team operatives being added as upgrades in a regular squad means Im going to have to give in and get them now.

Voss wrote:
If its still 'months' out, I'm curious if Armour of Contempt will officially make it into the codex or it'll stick to the dataslate, so they can drop it like a bad potato if it goes over poorly.

I assume it's already in the book and was likely something they came up with after seeing the problems with the loyalists being too squishy.

Memnoch wrote:
3 attacks each sounds pretty sweet.

The Kill Team operatives being added as upgrades in a regular squad means Im going to have to give in and get them now.

I’m assuming it’s no longer an option. The kill team sprue will probably be included in future kits

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:
If its still 'months' out, I'm curious if Armour of Contempt will officially make it into the codex or it'll stick to the dataslate, so they can drop it like a bad potato if it goes over poorly.

I assume it's already in the book and was likely something they came up with after seeing the problems with the loyalists being too squishy.

I don't think it's in the book. I'm betting the book has been done for a long time now, it just hasn't lined up with the model production and release window yet.

We started getting reliable rumors about the book before Nids were even announced, which I think lends a little credence to this.

Voss wrote:If its still 'months' out, I'm curious if Armour of Contempt will officially make it into the codex or it'll stick to the dataslate, so they can drop it like a bad potato if it goes over poorly.

I suspect its too late, but if it does, it means they've had AoC in mind for a while.

I'd guess it's in the codex. Putting it in the dataslate was just a way to get it out early, same as the Knights stuff, and a way to make sure that CSM don't have something good that loyalists don't also have. For. One. Damned. Minute.

ClockworkZion wrote:I'm guessing GW is still struggling to get everything into every country in a timely manner (customs still seems to be a nightmare in the US much less in other parts of the world) to launch things in a timely manner.

That said the updated statline is looking pretty tasty and I'm assuming it's 3 attacks without Hateful Assault being a thing anymore.

Probably. Which makes me wonder: will our fw units keep Hateful Assault? Or lose it and gain an additional attack?

If it's in book it means gw came up with it like year ago and been sitting on it. Also curious no leak has mentioned it

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Probably. Which makes me wonder: will our fw units keep Hateful Assault? Or lose it and gain an additional attack?

CSMs now have (or rather will have) 3 attacks now. Doesn't that pretty much mean that Hateful Assault is gone?

Only if they update Imperial Armour to take it away from the FW units.

We could easily be in a situation where the main codex loses it but they don't update IA.