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H.B.M.C. wrote: I think the answer is "be less restrictive".
And my comments about following the Codex were not about deviating form Legion organisation, more that it's weird how our squads have to act like Tactical Squads. Why can't we take 2 special weapons or even 2 heavy weapons in larger squads? We used to be able to...
Quite frankly it's utterly dumb Tactical Marines can't do the same to begin with.
ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
If it's GW doing the leaking as suspected by some, it makes you wonder how bad the book is if they won't leak it.
ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
If it's GW doing the leaking as suspected by some, it makes you wonder how bad the book is if they won't leak it.
Or good, if they've "over corrected" to the OP side in any way, although that's not apparent from what we know.
Saying that, someone did leak a pic of the finished book, that's how we saw the cover early. So they are out there.
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I don't think GW has the level of insight required to even know if a book they've written is good or bad. They definitely don't have the insight to selectively leak things based on how good or bad they are gonna be lol
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ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
If it's GW doing the leaking as suspected by some, it makes you wonder how bad the book is if they won't leak it.
Or good, if they've "over corrected" to the OP side in any way, although that's not apparent from what we know.
Saying that, someone did leak a pic of the finished book, that's how we saw the cover early. So they are out there.
Being "too good" certainly didn't stop Nids, Eldar, etc from being leaked. I doubt it's either, and more of a case of the codex not falling into the "right" hands.
ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
If it's GW doing the leaking as suspected by some, it makes you wonder how bad the book is if they won't leak it.
Or good, if they've "over corrected" to the OP side in any way, although that's not apparent from what we know.
Saying that, someone did leak a pic of the finished book, that's how we saw the cover early. So they are out there.
Being "too good" certainly didn't stop Nids, Eldar, etc from being leaked. I doubt it's either, and more of a case of the codex not falling into the "right" hands.
Good or bad, they need to shove it out the door.
Enthusiasm pretty much peaked with the preview show, and its been a long slide downhill since then.
Feels like they decided to have it compete with Horus Heresy and lose, badly. Now all that matters is Guard, World Eaters and Squats. (and presumably Daemons will wander in late as another stray also-ran after that bunch- in fact, I suspect the new daemon prince will come as the '1 model' for the daemons book, right on the heels of the Slaves to Darkness release for AoS).
At this point, even if it is good, I don't think many people will believe it.
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Voss wrote: Good or bad, they need to shove it out the door.
Enthusiasm pretty much peaked with the preview show, and its been a long slide downhill since then.
Feels like they decided to have it compete with Horus Heresy and lose, badly. Now all that matters is Guard, World Eaters and Squats. (and presumably Daemons will wander in late as another stray also-ran after that bunch).
At this point, even if it is good, I don't think many people will believe it.
Aye. They need to just go ahead and tear off the bandaid and get it over with. Good, bad, whatever, we've waited long enough. And there are others waiting in the wings behind CSM that need their own codexes as well.
Voss wrote: Good or bad, they need to shove it out the door.
Enthusiasm pretty much peaked with the preview show, and its been a long slide downhill since then.
Feels like they decided to have it compete with Horus Heresy and lose, badly. Now all that matters is Guard, World Eaters and Squats. (and presumably Daemons will wander in late as another stray also-ran after that bunch).
At this point, even if it is good, I don't think many people will believe it.
Aye. They need to just go ahead and tear off the bandaid and get it over with. Good, bad, whatever, we've waited long enough. And there are others waiting in the wings behind CSM that need their own codexes as well.
From white dwarf and the new mission book we can infer they were meant to be out by now (if not a while ago), does make you wonder what changed. Either way I'm just happy corsairs seem to be getting the legion treatment and I'm not stuck playing as *insert rando legion company*. So it looks like it'll be at least an upgrade for me assuming there's more than 1 relic and WLT.
I do think at some point either CSM or SM 2.0 got internally "tested" at Nottingham into Tyranids or Harlequins or Craftworlds and someone realised their massive error.
This seems more likely if we assume GW test by playing a more casual bring one of what you fancy list, because Tyranids look like a very good highlander codex.
I think that is where Armour of Contempt came from.
Perhaps they are waiting to drop the new points onto the top 3/4 factions before CSM come out.
In light of the terrible datasheet, plus the fact it didn't actually have chaos rules yet I decided to cancel my order of the kratos today and get some other bits instead. I wanted it as the centerpiece for my iron warriors but I just don't see the point of having a big paperweight which I'll never use.
Voss wrote: Good or bad, they need to shove it out the door.
Enthusiasm pretty much peaked with the preview show, and its been a long slide downhill since then.
Feels like they decided to have it compete with Horus Heresy and lose, badly. Now all that matters is Guard, World Eaters and Squats. (and presumably Daemons will wander in late as another stray also-ran after that bunch- in fact, I suspect the new daemon prince will come as the '1 model' for the daemons book, right on the heels of the Slaves to Darkness release for AoS).
At this point, even if it is good, I don't think many people will believe it.
Feels like it should have dropped pre-HH but shipping delays somewhere kept that from being a realistic date.
Regardless this week feels like they're playing catch up, or moving things around to accommodate the delayed CSM release.
Perhaps they are waiting to drop the new points onto the top 3/4 factions before CSM come out.
That will be exciting. A codex created with the old point system in place will be dropped splat into the middle of a completely changed meta.
What could possibly go wrong?
Perhaps they are waiting to drop the new points onto the top 3/4 factions before CSM come out.
That will be exciting. A codex created with the old point system in place will be dropped splat into the middle of a completely changed meta.
What could possibly go wrong?
Well, if the leaks are true, it's already getting a nerf in the new CA, or at least Night Lords are. That "Reserves arrive 1 turn earlier" strategem? Yeah, suddenly doesn't look quite as good, does it?
Nope, I definitely don't think any of the changes in the new CA have anything to do with this codex, or vice-versa.
I'm really curious to see what the rules are going to be for the Tormented and possessed cultists, as we've never really had units like that before. Also, I'm interested to see what the rules are for the new daemon prince's gun, since it looks pretty powerful visually. The current warp bolter is ok, but nothing to write home about.
Perhaps they are waiting to drop the new points onto the top 3/4 factions before CSM come out.
That will be exciting. A codex created with the old point system in place will be dropped splat into the middle of a completely changed meta.
What could possibly go wrong?
That also assumes they haven't tweaked the CSM points in the balance slate like they had for custodes. It's a similar position to be in.
Not just covid/supply chain issues, but the leaked Iron Warriors trait clashes with AOC so they might have delayed the book to reprint it with tweaked IW rules.
Bosskelot wrote: Not just covid/supply chain issues, but the leaked Iron Warriors trait clashes with AOC so they might have delayed the book to reprint it with tweaked IW rules.
Ehhhh.....yeeaaahh....no. Remember, those leaks are coming from an old playtest doc, so it's possible that they fixed it before the codex went to print. But if they didn't? Expect a day 1 FAQ. Gw isn't doing a reprint to fix one non-functional rule. We've got plenty of evidence of that.
Bosskelot wrote: Not just covid/supply chain issues, but the leaked Iron Warriors trait clashes with AOC so they might have delayed the book to reprint it with tweaked IW rules.
Ehhhh.....yeeaaahh....no. Remember, those leaks are coming from an old playtest doc, so it's possible that they fixed it before the codex went to print. But if they didn't? Expect a day 1 FAQ. Gw isn't doing a reprint to fix one non-functional rule. We've got plenty of evidence of that.
More importantly if they re-ran to fix the trait they likely re-ran to include AoC in the book.
ClockworkZion wrote: Guess GW finally plugged that leak seeing as CSM is the only book this year we know is comong but can't get images from.
I mean, you say that, but we've gotten leaks for the stratagem card pack for Leagues of Votann, and images of the Astra Militarum upcoming release, all of which -should- be coming *after* Chaos Marines...
It's very strange the things that seem to be selectively leaked out.
If it's GW doing the leaking as suspected by some, it makes you wonder how bad the book is if they won't leak it.
Or good, if they've "over corrected" to the OP side in any way, although that's not apparent from what we know.
Saying that, someone did leak a pic of the finished book, that's how we saw the cover early. So they are out there.
Being "too good" certainly didn't stop Nids, Eldar, etc from being leaked. I doubt it's either, and more of a case of the codex not falling into the "right" hands.
You know you're all made to wait because of me, right? I just want a box of Cultists, but GW isn't in the habit of giving me what I want. You'll have to wait until GW is convinced that I lost interest. Like with Sisters of Battle. I waited for plastic Sisters literally for decades. Then I stopped playing 40k and a month later GW announced them.
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oni wrote: Surprised this hasn't shown up here yet.
They were posted about 6-7 pages back.
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Is it me? It looks like Kharn is going to clock in at around 140 pts (PL7). That's bigger than Chaos Lords in Terminator Armor. If this is the case we're in for a large bit of HQ inflation because no way is Kharn that much better than the Lord Teminator (if at all).
I'm not that convinced that +1" move, +2 S and, +2(1) A is worth 35 points. My Termie Lord has a combi bolter and Chain fist and clocks in at 105 points. Base A is 4 but I get one more if charging, charged, etc.. So yeah, not impressed.
So they are all getting an extra attack on charge/charged/intervention from the legion trait, as well as a point of strength from MoK, then Kharn will double those attacks since he fights twice.
Leo_the_Rat wrote: Is it me? It looks like Kharn is going to clock in at around 140 pts (PL7). That's bigger than Chaos Lords in Terminator Armor. If this is the case we're in for a large bit of HQ inflation because no way is Kharn that much better than the Lord Teminator (if at all).
