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charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Chaos Landraiders are nuts, love the buff although I would have played mine anyway because I love the Model.

T9 (buffable to 10), 4 LasCannon Shots that explode Turn 1, a heavy bolter to kill some pesky Marines from an objective. All this while carrying some Legionaries or Chosen to an Objective.

T9 is absolutely nuts! Even Melta guns are going to need 5s to wound it! lol Also, it isn't just legionaires and Chosen it can carry. The Landraider can carry Abaddon into combat too! lol Turn 1, please try and kill this T9 LR because if you fail, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark and murder you in turn 2 ! lol

GW saw the 4th edition Codex and took the comments of the two people highly positive about it to heart and decided "This is how we'll do Chaos."

Not Online!!! wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
again that would require something , like , you know a certain job that was quite common in journalism aswell as in magazins.. what are they called again? Editor?

no chance the editor would spot that as a mistake unless he played Chaos Space Marines before, or has deep knowledge of the game in general

Editior: Champ does only get option from the box
looks up box content: no lightning claw mentioned, everything is fine

hence again the problem that those who write the stuff don't actually play the game

or you know, what is more likely, he or she or whatever could also take a gander and look at the file of the 8th edition 2.0 codex to check all the sheets and data and changes, but they couldn't seemingly be bothered to do that if there even exists such a position in GW at all. no playing the army requried there for consistency.

Because if that would have been the case, the dex would've been atleast consistent, which it isn't somehow, which is were for me the whole absurdity comes from.

this is not the job of the Editor

it is impossible for an Editor to spot if something is mistake or simply an indented rules update/change if he is not involved into the game

hence "we" can spot mistakes after 5 minutes that no one at GW got, the Designer never plays the game by the written rules (if they play at all) but how they think it would work, the Editor does not play the game and has to assume that all rules are as they should be

We had some copy&paste sentences from 3rd Edi still in the 7th Edition rule book that referred to something gone long gone, but no one ever thought of removing it because those who play don't read the actual written rules and those who read the rules (aka the Editor) never played the game

Kodos, again, if they simply had compared the two files they could've easily go and asked the rules designer, because half the missing stuff makes no sense e.g. raptor champs without lighning claws and chosen without powerfists but powerfists.
That doesn't require playtime, that requires a bit of communication and pattern recognition aswell as informing the editior about the changes that would happen.

Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

Eldenfirefly wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Chaos Landraiders are nuts, love the buff although I would have played mine anyway because I love the Model.

T9 (buffable to 10), 4 LasCannon Shots that explode Turn 1, a heavy bolter to kill some pesky Marines from an objective. All this while carrying some Legionaries or Chosen to an Objective.

T9 is absolutely nuts! Even Melta guns are going to need 5s to wound it! lol Also, it isn't just legionaires and Chosen it can carry. The Landraider can carry Abaddon into combat too! lol Turn 1, please try and kill this T9 LR because if you fail, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark and murder you in turn 2 ! lol

Another post that I can't tell if it's serious or not. Most armies can kill a Knight in one turn or get it to the last bracket. You think the Land Raider being T9 is....amazing? You're better off running Abaddon up the board.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

LOL knew it. It'd be too broken for Possessed to get Marks after all.

Garbage garbage garbage

At least we haven't gone back to the dark days of forgetting what Chaos God you're dedicated if the dude with the Icon dies.

That is so disappointing. How are daemon-possessed units not able to be dedicated to the god of the daemon that is possessing them?

Raulengrin wrote:
That is so disappointing. How are daemon-possessed units not able to be dedicated to the god of the daemon that is possessing them?

"because they already sold their soul to become possessed?
What, that doesn't make sense?, shame then that i don't care. "- GW probably 2022.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
At least we haven't gone back to the dark days of forgetting what Chaos God you're dedicated if the dude with the Icon dies.

except possessed now forget to which god they belong.
And so do probably a lot of other units.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
LOL knew it. It'd be too broken for Possessed to get Marks after all.

Why would those possessed by the Daemons of Chaos ever have Marks of Chaos? That's crazy talk.

Consistency!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

So, Possessed and Warp Talons can't take Marks? But Possessed can take Icons?

Good grief, what a train wreck.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

So, Possessed and Warp Talons can't take Marks? But Possessed can take Icons?

Good grief, what a train wreck.

question, don't we need a specific mark to get an icon?
Or do possessed then have to pick the default icon always?

Can we then even take an icon for possessed!?!


what is going on?
Hotel Trivago?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Consistency!

The opposite, actually.

Chaos!

lol, the article straight-up says Possessed can take the Icon of Khorne:

"Once again, if the unit has the ICON keyword, then any melee attack they perform is further enhanced as the bloodthirsty power of Khorne ups the Armour Penetration. All of this means that smashing apart the misguided weaklings of the Imperium is going to be more satisfying than ever for those power-hungry Chosen and rabid Possessed."

while we know from the datasheets that they can't

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Chaos Landraiders are nuts, love the buff although I would have played mine anyway because I love the Model.

T9 (buffable to 10), 4 LasCannon Shots that explode Turn 1, a heavy bolter to kill some pesky Marines from an objective. All this while carrying some Legionaries or Chosen to an Objective.

T9 is absolutely nuts! Even Melta guns are going to need 5s to wound it! lol Also, it isn't just legionaires and Chosen it can carry. The Landraider can carry Abaddon into combat too! lol Turn 1, please try and kill this T9 LR because if you fail, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark and murder you in turn 2 ! lol

Another post that I can't tell if it's serious or not. Most armies can kill a Knight in one turn or get it to the last bracket. You think the Land Raider being T9 is....amazing? You're better off running Abaddon up the board.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

LOL knew it. It'd be too broken for Possessed to get Marks after all.

Garbage garbage garbage

Feel free to keep on being negative. For me, I definitely think a LR has some play now and I am quite excited about that. Not all armies have Str 9 or higher anti tank. Some only have Str 8, and those are going to only wound the LR on 5s. Not to mention it can blow smoke for -1 to hit. Its guns have been improved as well now. Plus until they change armour of contempt. The Chaos LR has a 2+ save with armor of contempt, so it gets a 4+ save even against an AP 3 anti tank weapon and a 5+ save against a AP4 weapon.

Lets take a Dark lance for example. A pretty common anti tank weapon for Drukhari. Str 8, AP 4. 3+D3 weapon. So with the smoke -1 to hit. only 50% will hit. And one one third will wound. So, you need on average 6 dark lance shots to get one single wound on the LR. And then it gets a 5+ save against that. So, it will on average save one our of every three dark lance wounds that go through. This means you need 18 dark lance shots to get 2 successful wounds through the armor save. That's 6+2D3 damage. That will not even kill the LR. He fails to kill the LR on turn 1, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark from the LR and murder his lines on turn 2.

A lot of other armies rely on str 8 weapons for their anti tank. Look at Cutodes Salvo launchers. Also Str 8, AP4.

Look at DG entropy cannons - also Str 8 AP4. Or multi melta. Same.

Now of course there are some armies that have Str 9 or higher anti tank, but there are far more armies out there without those.

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
lol, the article straight-up says Possessed can take the Icon of Khorne:

"Once again, if the unit has the ICON keyword, then any melee attack they perform is further enhanced as the bloodthirsty power of Khorne ups the Armour Penetration. All of this means that smashing apart the misguided weaklings of the Imperium is going to be more satisfying than ever for those power-hungry Chosen and rabid Possessed."

while we know from the datasheets that they can't

We know they can't by keyword but we don't know if GW didn't give them bespoke wargear options.

A) WarCom writer is confused/got passed the wrong notes.

B) daemons and/or daemonkin actually can be given marks and they just didn't tell us that in the article.

Not sure how the icon would happen, however. I don't remember that being an option (though I wasn't really looking for icons on the leaked photos).

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
lol, the article straight-up says Possessed can take the Icon of Khorne:

"Once again, if the unit has the ICON keyword, then any melee attack they perform is further enhanced as the bloodthirsty power of Khorne ups the Armour Penetration. All of this means that smashing apart the misguided weaklings of the Imperium is going to be more satisfying than ever for those power-hungry Chosen and rabid Possessed."

while we know from the datasheets that they can't

It is also possible that GW put on another page inside the Codex (for example, the page which describes the effects of the Marks and Icons) that <DAEMONKIN> have to take a Mark. Would it be an incredibly bad place to put it ? Yes. Would GW be capable of doing that ? Also yes.

But as you said, it can also be Warhammer Community fething up its communication. It already happened.

*sigh*

Probably.

They literally say the Daemon Prince MUST (!!) take a mark, and he certainly doesn't have Chaos Undivided on his datasheet

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Probably.

They literally say the Daemon Prince MUST (!!) take a mark, and he certainly doesn't have Chaos Undivided on his datasheet

Right, because he must (and that's actually a big chunk of his datasheet, that he has to choose, what he can choose from and etc).

Datasheets providing an exception via special rules is what datasheets do. That they mention the exception elsewhere is actually fairly progressive for this rules team.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
LOL knew it. It'd be too broken for Possessed to get Marks after all.

Why would those possessed by the Daemons of Chaos ever have Marks of Chaos? That's crazy talk.

Consistency!

I propose next to Jervisification and Cruddaced we use the term Chaosistency, but in order to do the principle of Chaosistency justice we should refuse to provide a definition of its meaning.

Another mention from a GW published article of Traitor Guard in a CSM force.

I can’t wait to see what the upcoming Codex: Chaos Space Marines will have in store. I’m already eyeing all the Cultists, mutants, and Traitor Guardsmen to expand the Tyrant’s Legion as Huron’s human militia is known.

Now this for Kill Team but you'd have to be immensely obtuse to act like it's weird GW pushes Traitor Guard figures like this then decides they don't have rules in 40k.

Eldenfirefly wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Chaos Landraiders are nuts, love the buff although I would have played mine anyway because I love the Model.

T9 (buffable to 10), 4 LasCannon Shots that explode Turn 1, a heavy bolter to kill some pesky Marines from an objective. All this while carrying some Legionaries or Chosen to an Objective.

T9 is absolutely nuts! Even Melta guns are going to need 5s to wound it! lol Also, it isn't just legionaires and Chosen it can carry. The Landraider can carry Abaddon into combat too! lol Turn 1, please try and kill this T9 LR because if you fail, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark and murder you in turn 2 ! lol

Another post that I can't tell if it's serious or not. Most armies can kill a Knight in one turn or get it to the last bracket. You think the Land Raider being T9 is....amazing? You're better off running Abaddon up the board.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well my guess was wrong about Marks. At least we know what the Icon keyword does now: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/21/the-ruinous-powers-make-their-mark-with-daemonic-gifts-for-your-chaos-space-marines/

LOL knew it. It'd be too broken for Possessed to get Marks after all.

Garbage garbage garbage

Feel free to keep on being negative. For me, I definitely think a LR has some play now and I am quite excited about that. Not all armies have Str 9 or higher anti tank. Some only have Str 8, and those are going to only wound the LR on 5s. Not to mention it can blow smoke for -1 to hit. Its guns have been improved as well now. Plus until they change armour of contempt. The Chaos LR has a 2+ save with armor of contempt, so it gets a 4+ save even against an AP 3 anti tank weapon and a 5+ save against a AP4 weapon.

Lets take a Dark lance for example. A pretty common anti tank weapon for Drukhari. Str 8, AP 4. 3+D3 weapon. So with the smoke -1 to hit. only 50% will hit. And one one third will wound. So, you need on average 6 dark lance shots to get one single wound on the LR. And then it gets a 5+ save against that. So, it will on average save one our of every three dark lance wounds that go through. This means you need 18 dark lance shots to get 2 successful wounds through the armor save. That's 6+2D3 damage. That will not even kill the LR. He fails to kill the LR on turn 1, Abby and 8 friends are going to disembark from the LR and murder his lines on turn 2.

A lot of other armies rely on str 8 weapons for their anti tank. Look at Cutodes Salvo launchers. Also Str 8, AP4.

Look at DG entropy cannons - also Str 8 AP4. Or multi melta. Same.

Now of course there are some armies that have Str 9 or higher anti tank, but there are far more armies out there without those.

If you want relentless positivity and "GW good" go to the hive mind of Reddit or the Facebook page.

GW has stealth edited the article and removed the mention of Possessed from that paragraph I pasted above.

I sure do hope it's a new communication booboo from Warcom. Because RaW:

Warcom wrote:When you add an Emperor's Children Character or Emperor's Children CORE unit (Excluding Cultists unit) to your army or crusade force, you must upgrade that unit to have the mark of Slaanesh

We have to pay for the mark.

 DO IT TO IT wrote:
GW has stealth edited the article and removed the mention of Possessed from that paragraph I pasted above.

Oooohhhh boi.
This codex is going to be Fun.

I wonder what our hellturkey or lashwhip equivalent this time will be.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
I sure do hope it's a new communication booboo from Warcom. Because RaW:

Warcom wrote:When you add an Emperor's Children Character or Emperor's Children CORE unit (Excluding Cultists unit) to your army or crusade force, you must upgrade that unit to have the mark of Slaanesh

We have to pay for the mark.

Yep. For any EC unit that is Core/Character and Undivided..
EC =/= Noise Marine.

DO IT TO IT wrote:GW has stealth edited the article and removed the mention of Possessed from that paragraph I pasted above.

Cool. TImmy the over-exuberant intern, then. Or WarCom got the draft rules.
So... unfluffy godless possessed for everyone, then.

Wouldn't be the first time Warcom lied about something. Remember the Autarch kerfuffle? Or, more recently, when talking about how we could use Traitor Guard as CSM.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wouldn't be the first time Warcom lied about something. Remember the Autarch kerfuffle?

I don't think it's necessary a lie - I think it's a case of "the copywriter gets passed basic information about what the company wants" and then it's posted up and they only learn it's an error later on.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
The opposite, actually.

Chaos!

No Sunny that's... that's... no. Just no.