Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**Gadzilla666**

Irbis wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack

I like how the petition is ignorant (or pretends to not know) it's not a chaos lord. It's a raptor lord. Completely different animal (as evidenced by big fat zero melee lord models, even NL or WE, having one). It's like whining necron lords don't have access to jump packs then pointing to destroyer lord model, funnily enough very similar distinction. But who cares about lore when there is some WAAAC to be done, am I rite?

If GW should do anything it's at best making Raptor Cult army of renown, with raptor lord option, but alas, you can't minmax wombo combo that so I am strangely sure CSM crowd will pretend that obvious lore friendly option doesn't exist in their demands...

Oh, please. It's a CSM character with a Jump Pack. You're ridiculous attempt at an argument over semantics notwithstanding. There is no distinction. This is just more of your typical attempts to argue that any faction that you don't play should be as weak as possible. And if anything is "WAAC", doing that definitely is.

**H.B.M.C.**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Oh, please. It's a CSM character with a Jump Pack. You're ridiculous attempt at an argument over semantics notwithstanding. There is no distinction. This is just more of your typical attempts to argue that any faction that you don't play should be as weak as possible. And if anything is "WAAC", doing that definitely is.

And another of his attempts to jump into a thread to "correct" someone for some innocuous, irrelevant and utterly meaningless "mistake".

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Oh, please. It's a CSM character with a Jump Pack. You're ridiculous attempt at an argument over semantics notwithstanding. There is no distinction. This is just more of your typical attempts to argue that any faction that you don't play should be as weak as possible. And if anything is "WAAC", doing that definitely is.
And another of his attempts to jump into a thread to "correct" someone for some innocuous, irrelevant and utterly meaningless "mistake".

Yup, and all Irbis ever actually accomplishes is getting everyone riled up. So, hey! Let's use that!

Hey everybody! Did the post up thread from Irbis get under your skin? Want to get under Irbis' skin? Then sign THIS!:

ArcaneHorror wrote:This looks promising, though the email is good as well:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack?fbclid=IwAR00X3uD_qAjwGnO5PUFgnnRxgfIwg0Iu_egYRGEQQeW8xUM89fPbACRqoQ

And then write gw your own email or letter, laying out your own problems with this ridiculous situation. Let's get our Jump Lords back. And drive ol' Irby crazy in the process.

**waefre_1**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Oh, please. It's a CSM character with a Jump Pack. You're ridiculous attempt at an argument over semantics notwithstanding. There is no distinction. This is just more of your typical attempts to argue that any faction that you don't play should be as weak as possible. And if anything is "WAAC", doing that definitely is.
And another of his attempts to jump into a thread to "correct" someone for some innocuous, irrelevant and utterly meaningless "mistake".

Yup, and all Irbis ever actually accomplishes is getting everyone riled up. So, hey! Let's use that!

Hey everybody! Did the post up thread from Irbis get under your skin? Want to get under Irbis' skin? Then sign THIS!:

ArcaneHorror wrote:This looks promising, though the email is good as well:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack?fbclid=IwAR00X3uD_qAjwGnO5PUFgnnRxgfIwg0Iu_egYRGEQQeW8xUM89fPbACRqoQ

And then write gw your own email or letter, laying out your own problems with this ridiculous situation. Let's get our Jump Lords back. And drive ol' Irby crazy in the process.

Bonus points for including Gad's post or a link to it in your rationale for wanting the Chaos Lord w/Jump Pack back.

**drbored**

I apologize for every time I butted into a thread and tried to get people to chill tf out about something. I know I did it. I now know how it feels. I'll do my best not to do it again (no guarantee, I have the memory of a goldfish).

But yeah, we've got the whole gang:
-the pedantic trying to argue definitions without doing research
-the person claiming to be eating popcorn while they read the salt while contributing nothing
-the moron trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that it's always been this way

Am I missing anyone?

**H.B.M.C.**

drbored wrote:
But yeah, we've got the whole gang:
-the pedantic trying to argue definitions without doing research
-the person claiming to be eating popcorn while they read the salt while contributing nothing
-the moron trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that it's always been this way

Am I missing anyone?

The person claiming we're all minmaxing power gamers because we miss the power of our old Codex.

That's always a fun one.

**tneva82**

Irbis wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack

I like how the petition is ignorant (or pretends to not know) it's not a chaos lord. It's a raptor lord. Completely different animal (as evidenced by big fat zero melee lord models, even NL or WE, having one). It's like whining necron lords don't have access to jump packs then pointing to destroyer lord model, funnily enough very similar distinction. But who cares about lore when there is some WAAAC to be done, am I rite?

If GW should do anything it's at best making Raptor Cult army of renown, with raptor lord option, but alas, you can't minmax wombo combo that so I am strangely sure CSM crowd will pretend that obvious lore friendly option doesn't exist in their demands...

drbored wrote:
That's how they've treated Space Marines after all. Screw anyone that likes firstborn, that model range is simply going to age over the next 20 years until it's finally shoved into Legends and forgotten about in favor of Secundus Marines, bigger Primaris Marines all equipped with Magna Bolt Auto Rifles.

I am not sure saying THEY ARE GASLIGHTING ME BECAUSE GW WILL SQUAT MY UGLY MODELS IN 21 YEARS!!1!one! is as big brain take as you think it is. Though at least it's improvement over constant 4chan screeching they will be squatted next week from what, last five years?

But yeah, there was absolutely no release of any Adeptus Uglysquattus (except with slightly better anatomy) this week, nor was there absolutely massive one two weeks prior. Not to mention release before that. They are getting squatted and no mountain of evidence to the contrary will say otherwise

I like how you are ignorant as usuaj that the gw itself disagrees wlth you.

Notice how gw(you know. The company doing the rules call it chaos lord with jump pack

So you are, as usual, flat out wrong saying worthless junk. You are claiming basically equally convincingly that avatar of khaine is tyranid because you say so.

**H.B.M.C.**

BTW, I figured it would be a good exercise in hilarity and self-inflicted harm to do a full review of the new Chaos Codex.

So... I bought it.

Yeah, I know, glutton for punishment.

I ain't buyin' the cards though. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you! Fool me... you can't get fooled again!!!

**EviscerationPlague**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
BTW, I figured it would be a good exercise in hilarity and self-inflicted harm to do a full review of the new Chaos Codex.

So... I bought it.

Yeah, I know, glutton for punishment.

I ain't buyin' the cards though. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you! Fool me... you can't get fooled again!!!

Good job teaching GW a lesson via giving them money for a gak product.

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm taking one for the team.

**DreadfullyHopeful**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm taking one for the team.

I thank you for your sacrifice

Personally I'll focus on trying to kitbash my venomcrawlers with disco balls and not playing for a while.

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
BTW, I figured it would be a good exercise in hilarity and self-inflicted harm to do a full review of the new Chaos Codex.

So... I bought it.

Yeah, I know, glutton for punishment.

I ain't buyin' the cards though. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you! Fool me... you can't get fooled again!!!

Sooooo.....is this going to be as epic as your deconstruction of the 4th edition Atrocity?

**Not Online!!!**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
BTW, I figured it would be a good exercise in hilarity and self-inflicted harm to do a full review of the new Chaos Codex.

So... I bought it.

Yeah, I know, glutton for punishment.

I ain't buyin' the cards though. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you! Fool me... you can't get fooled again!!!

Sooooo.....is this going to be as epic as your deconstruction of the 4th edition Atrocity?

I hope so. I think we could use someone to tear gw a new one verbally.

**H.B.M.C.**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sooooo.....is this going to be as epic as your deconstruction of the 4th edition Atrocity?

Not Online!!! wrote:
I hope so. I think we could use someone to tear gw a new one verbally.

I would hope so, but we'll see where the righteous indignation takes me.

I've been geared up to do Cover-2-Cover reviews in the past, but the books have been so boring as to deflate my enthusiasm. Hopefully this won't be the case.

Tell ya what though, I've been listening to a lot of long-form reviews of the new 'Dex, and many of them are getting restrictions wrong or missing things that are no longer there but talking as if they are. I think some of the praise this book is getting from content creators is because they've only read them and rushed to get their reviews up.

**Not Online!!!**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sooooo.....is this going to be as epic as your deconstruction of the 4th edition Atrocity?
Not Online!!! wrote:
I hope so. I think we could use someone to tear gw a new one verbally.
I would hope so, but we'll see where the righteous indignation takes me.

I've been geared up to do Cover-2-Cover reviews in the past, but the books have been so boring as to deflate my enthusiasm. Hopefully this won't be the case.

Tell ya what though, I've been listening to a lot of long-form reviews of the new 'Dex, and many of them are getting restrictions wrong or missing things that are no longer there but talking as if they are. I think some of the praise this book is getting from content creators is because they've only read them and rushed to get their reviews up.

Well, i guess that would check out since YouTube is very much a first to market plattform.

**ClockworkZion**

Irbis wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack

I like how the petition is ignorant (or pretends to not know) it's not a chaos lord. It's a raptor lord. Completely different animal (as evidenced by big fat zero melee lord models, even NL or WE, having one). It's like whining necron lords don't have access to jump packs then pointing to destroyer lord model, funnily enough very similar distinction. But who cares about lore when there is some WAAAC to be done, am I rite?

If GW should do anything it's at best making Raptor Cult army of renown, with raptor lord option, but alas, you can't minmax wombo combo that so I am strangely sure CSM crowd will pretend that obvious lore friendly option doesn't exist in their demands...

drbored wrote:
That's how they've treated Space Marines after all. Screw anyone that likes firstborn, that model range is simply going to age over the next 20 years until it's finally shoved into Legends and forgotten about in favor of Secundus Marines, bigger Primaris Marines all equipped with Magna Bolt Auto Rifles.

I am not sure saying THEY ARE GASLIGHTING ME BECAUSE GW WILL SQUAT MY UGLY MODELS IN 21 YEARS!!1!one! is as big brain take as you think it is. Though at least it's improvement over constant 4chan screeching they will be squatted next week from what, last five years?

But yeah, there was absolutely no release of any Adeptus Uglysquattus (except with slightly better anatomy) this week, nor was there absolutely massive one two weeks prior. Not to mention release before that. They are getting squatted and no mountain of evidence to the contrary will say otherwise

I understand this is the internet and you feel the need to score points to feel big, but could you at least not pick something that can be debunked with 2 minutes on Google?

**blood reaper**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Irbis wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
https://wargamerdad.com/blog/chaos-space-marines-bring-back-the-jump-pack

I like how the petition is ignorant (or pretends to not know) it's not a chaos lord. It's a raptor lord. Completely different animal (as evidenced by big fat zero melee lord models, even NL or WE, having one). It's like whining necron lords don't have access to jump packs then pointing to destroyer lord model, funnily enough very similar distinction. But who cares about lore when there is some WAAAC to be done, am I rite?

If GW should do anything it's at best making Raptor Cult army of renown, with raptor lord option, but alas, you can't minmax wombo combo that so I am strangely sure CSM crowd will pretend that obvious lore friendly option doesn't exist in their demands...

drbored wrote:
That's how they've treated Space Marines after all. Screw anyone that likes firstborn, that model range is simply going to age over the next 20 years until it's finally shoved into Legends and forgotten about in favor of Secundus Marines, bigger Primaris Marines all equipped with Magna Bolt Auto Rifles.

I am not sure saying THEY ARE GASLIGHTING ME BECAUSE GW WILL SQUAT MY UGLY MODELS IN 21 YEARS!!1!one! is as big brain take as you think it is. Though at least it's improvement over constant 4chan screeching they will be squatted next week from what, last five years?

But yeah, there was absolutely no release of any Adeptus Uglysquattus (except with slightly better anatomy) this week, nor was there absolutely massive one two weeks prior. Not to mention release before that. They are getting squatted and no mountain of evidence to the contrary will say otherwise

I understand this is the internet and you feel the need to score points to feel big, but could you at least not pick something that can be debunked with 2 minutes on Google?

Ibris is literally a troll.

**Gadzilla666**

Ok, I want everyone to take note of just who is to the left of the Chaos Lord with Jump Pack in that image that ClockworkZion just posted. It's the leader of the Red Corsairs himself: Huron Blackheart. He was "rotated out" just like the Chaos Lord with Jump Pack, and at the same time. But he's still in the codex. Same for the Exalted Champion, whose rules are based on a model that gw hasn't sold in so long that I personally can't remember how long it's been gone (Can anyone else remember when they stopped selling it? It would be interesting to know).

The criteria for what did and did not make it into this book was completely arbitrary from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to matter if they currently made the model when it was written, or not. It didn't matter if an option was in the kit, or not. Or whether it required a simple kitbash, or actual conversion.

It's just completely arbitrary and scattershot. And it really makes me wonder what on earth was going through their heads when they wrote it.

**blood reaper**

Gadzilla666 wrote:

The criteria for what did and did not make it into this book was completely arbitrary from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to matter if they currently made the model when it was written, or not. It didn't matter if an option was in the kit, or not. Or whether it required a simple kitbash, or actual conversion.

It's just completely arbitrary and scattershot. And it really makes me wonder what on earth was going through their heads when they wrote it.

I legitimately believe that it is either outright malice ("Just buy new models!

", I frequently encounter this response from ghoulish consoomer whales) or the belief is that certain parts are permissible to swap but others aren't (i.e., the Chaos Terminator Lord can use the combi-plasma from the Terminators kit, but the powered armour one can't use the combi weapons from the Chosen kit).

**Dudeface**

Speaking of red corsairs and to lead away from another 2 pages of talking about missing loadouts and pirating, what are the odds of the fire and fade warlord trait getting a hefty berf early on?

Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

How do you guys like the Noctilith Crown as you can now extract a CP with a Psyker or Priest?

**H.B.M.C.**

Dudeface wrote:
Speaking of red corsairs and to lead away from another 2 pages of talking about missing loadouts and pirating, what are the odds of the fire and fade warlord trait getting a hefty berf early on?

How often do GW come after Warlord traits?

Only thing I forsee is Oblits being bumped to 120 pretty soon after the Codex comes out.

Dudeface wrote:
Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

Campaign supplement. New Huron (NuRon!), 'Hounds of Huron' Army of Renown, and all the custom warband rules/relics/strats/warlord traits that were cut from this book/not finished before this book was sent to the printers.

**blood reaper**

Dudeface wrote:
Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

I think he's guaranteed to get a new miniature at some point - though I don't know if it's going to be anytime soon. I think his loss of psychic powers is a bit crap, since that was always a nice buff over the standard CSM lord - though admittedly the CSM psychic discipline (he has access to) is very poor overall so he's not missing out on too much. Nice to see GW remembered Huron was actually a Chapter Master, however.

**Gadzilla666**

Dudeface wrote:
Speaking of red corsairs and to lead away from another 2 pages of talking about missing loadouts and pirating, what are the odds of the fire and fade warlord trait getting a hefty berf early on?

Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

Are you referring to the Red Corsairs WT Dusk Raider? Why would they? There's an entire faction that can do that without needing to be within 6' of the Warlord. And yeah, Huron needs a new model.

**Sgt. Cortez**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
BTW, I figured it would be a good exercise in hilarity and self-inflicted harm to do a full review of the new Chaos Codex.

So... I bought it.

Yeah, I know, glutton for punishment.

I ain't buyin' the cards though. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you! Fool me... you can't get fooled again!!!

If it's driven by legitimate hatred like your 4th edition review I'm eager to read it.

**Tyel**

Oblits are good as a package - but I'm not sure they are demanding immediate nerfs. The lack of core - and therefore synergy - feels like it should keep them in check. (Unless there are some obvious stratagem blowups I've skipped over.)

I mean for 90 points you get (on average) 2 better lascannons or 2.5 havoc autocannons or 1.5 reaper chaincannons. The first is solid (extremely so 1/3rd of the time, but bad 1/3rd of the time) - the others I feel not so much.

**Dudeface**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Speaking of red corsairs and to lead away from another 2 pages of talking about missing loadouts and pirating, what are the odds of the fire and fade warlord trait getting a hefty berf early on?

Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

Are you referring to the Red Corsairs WT Dusk Raider? Why would they? There's an entire faction that can do that without needing to be within 6' of the Warlord. And yeah, Huron needs a new model.

Other armies than can accomplish similar keep getting further limitations put on them, in this case that warlord trait si a free 2cp strat a turn in essence.

**GaroRobe**

Huron (and the warsmith) definitely need new models. Otherwise, the removal of the chaos lord with jumppack makes even less sense, since all three of those models are not currently available to buy but more than half of them still have rules.

**Gadzilla666**

Dudeface wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Speaking of red corsairs and to lead away from another 2 pages of talking about missing loadouts and pirating, what are the odds of the fire and fade warlord trait getting a hefty berf early on?

Also still in the belief huron will get a new mini given the primaris chapter master profile, but simultaneously I am a little gutted he's not a proper psyker now.

Are you referring to the Red Corsairs WT Dusk Raider? Why would they? There's an entire faction that can do that without needing to be within 6' of the Warlord. And yeah, Huron needs a new model.

Other armies than can accomplish similar keep getting further limitations put on them, in this case that warlord trait si a free 2cp strat a turn in essence.

Not exactly. The Red Corsairs WT requires that the unit be within 6' of the Warlord, and only works on CORE. That precludes DAEMONKIN and every vehicle besides Hellbrutes and Contemptors.

Fire and Fade works on whatever unit you target with it, regardless of its location relative to any other unit, and basically works on everything in the faction, from basic infantry to a Scorpion.

So yeah, the Red Corsairs WT is "free", but it's far less flexible.

**Jidmah**

Gert wrote:
- Orks, somehow. This one I have no rationale for.

Clans are encoded into the ork's genes, any time any pile of orks grows large enough, the same clans will appear. The few orks that don't fit anywhere become freebootas. Lore-wise it's impossible for new clans to come into existence.

That said, nothing would have prevented GW from just having Waaagh!s as custom subfaction - it will probably make a huge difference if the orks you are fighting are part of the Great Waaagh!, Waaagh! Wazzdakka or from Armorgeddun.