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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's truly perfect in case anyone wants to run exactly 7 possessed and doesn't want to buy two boxes.

Lucky number seven rises above the Chaosistency! Nurgle be praised!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's truly perfect in case anyone wants to run exactly 7 possessed and doesn't want to buy two boxes.

Lucky number seven rises above the Chaosistency! Nurgle be praised!

And the cool part is you can totally give them the Mark of Nurgle!

I was thinking more along the lines of using one or two of the new possessed and proxying them as something else. And then just add the Shadowspear duo to complete the unit of five.

The possessed are huge and have bigger bases than vanilla CSMs, but I'm sure they could pass as chaos lords, apostles (since they have huge bases for some reason), etc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What's the possessed unit size in the new codex? Can people just easily add the two "greater possessed" models they're likely to have to an unit made out of the new possessed kit without it being a hassle? If so then it seems fine.

10. So if you buy 2 boxes of Possessed and add them to your Greater Possessed you'll have 12. Or one box and have 7. Wonderful.

Given their size, you could combine the left-over parts with some Havocs to make up the numbers. But that would require:

1. Both kits to be compatible.
2. The possessed kit to actually have lots of alternate parts.

Sadly this is not the Citadel Reality we live in. Not since the 1KSons release in 7th.

Is their unit size just ten? That seems unlikely, as they come in boxes of five, right? Certainly it is 5-10, seven being a valid unit size?

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
What's the possessed unit size in the new codex? Can people just easily add the two "greater possessed" models they're likely to have to an unit made out of the new possessed kit without it being a hassle? If so then it seems fine.

10. So if you buy 2 boxes of Possessed and add them to your Greater Possessed you'll have 12. Or one box and have 7. Wonderful.

Given their size, you could combine the left-over parts with some Havocs to make up the numbers. But that would require:

1. Both kits to be compatible.
2. The possessed kit to actually have lots of alternate parts.

Sadly this is not the Citadel Reality we live in. Not since the 1KSons release in 7th.

Is their unit size just ten? That seems unlikely, as they come in boxes of five, right? Certainly it is 5-10, seven being a valid unit size?

Yes, it indeed is 5-10, but very few people actually ever run an uneven number of models as a general rule.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Yes, it indeed is 5-10, but very few people actually ever run an uneven number of models as a general rule.

Right, but that's a personal choice. Seven possessed seems fine, so there really is no issue. It's not like they need to follow Codex Astartes or something.

 Crimson wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Yes, it indeed is 5-10, but very few people actually ever run an uneven number of models as a general rule.

Right, but that's a personal choice. Seven possessed seems fine, so there really is no issue. It's not like they need to follow Codex Astartes or something.

Someone should tell GW that because they wrote the rules to make it look otherwise.

Preorders are up in NZ. Anyone want to figure out what options the possessed have?

I only count eight head options

Give me a box of possessed and a box of legionnaires and I'll give you 15 possessed. I enjoy converting though, not everyone's in that boat.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Give me a box of possessed and a box of legionnaires and I'll give you 15 possessed. I enjoy converting though, not everyone's in that boat.

I think the scale mismatch (those thick, mutating thighs are spreading all over 40mm bases) and the sheer lack of possessed bits would make that questionable.

Those are probably some of the sparsest sprues I've seen from GW in a while (both possessed and accursed).

I mean we were kidding ourselves to think that the kit would allow any variation whatsoever, but it's still disappointing to see how set-in-stone those Torments are.

But, of course, there's no such thing as mono-pose, as people have been telling me for months. Just like "no model/no rule" was a myth when I first started talking about it.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Preorders are up in NZ. Anyone want to figure out what options the possessed have?

I only count eight head options

9 head options that I could could.

Looks like only 3 shoulder pads can be replaced by others from Legion specific kits?

Looks like there's 2, maybe 3 arms that are optional builds?

Not impressed with that tbh.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Give me a box of possessed and a box of legionnaires and I'll give you 15 possessed. I enjoy converting though, not everyone's in that boat.

Don't forget the 10 extra base you'll need. Those new possessed are plus-sized

AUD$98 for 5 Possessed.

LOL!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean we were kidding ourselves to think that the kit would allow any variation whatsoever, but it's still disappointing to see how set-in-stone those Torments are.

But, of course, there's no such thing as mono-pose, as people have been telling me for months. Just like "no model/no rule" was a myth when I first started talking about it.

"Months" is an interesting way to phrase "years"

Oof. And, as expected, they have a few extra heads and what looks like three arm variations. Just awful.

EDIT: Slightly better than I first suspected. The champion get the useless icon or some spikes on his backpack. There are alternate heads for everyone. Each other possessed has a "fixed" arm and one that includes an option.

The chainaxe guy can have Tyranid claws instead of his axe.

The space marine killing dude can have a rock at his feet instead of the marine and a reaching bare arm instead of the armored arm holding the marine head.

The spiky mace tentacle guy can have a power fist with a massive spike growing out of it instead of the mace tentacle.

The guy whose left arm is a blade can have tentacles instead of the blade.

Still not great, but genuinely more options than I thought.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean we were kidding ourselves to think that the kit would allow any variation whatsoever, but it's still disappointing to see how set-in-stone those Torments are.

But, of course, there's no such thing as mono-pose, as people have been telling me for months. Just like "no model/no rule" was a myth when I first started talking about it.

I've recently tried out mono-build as an alternative phrase.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean we were kidding ourselves to think that the kit would allow any variation whatsoever, but it's still disappointing to see how set-in-stone those Torments are.

But, of course, there's no such thing as mono-pose, as people have been telling me for months. Just like "no model/no rule" was a myth when I first started talking about it.

I've recently tried out mono-build as an alternative phrase.

Mono-build is a much better phrase for those minis that have zero possibility and no options.

As for mono-pose, I don’t remember anybody claiming there’s no such thing. The only arguments I’ve seen concerned where to draw the line between posable and monopose. A lot of modern GW kits have what I would call limited posability. Some people call them monopose, some people argue they can be posed to a degree and therefore aren’t monopose. At the end of the day is a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the models and everything to do with either the definition of a phrase that nobody can agree on, layered with bad faith arguments from both sides of the love/hate GW coin.

Wow that's bad. Almost new Boyz tier

I got the boxes early: https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1563451285231194114

I can confirm the Possessed are monopose and the same size as the (former) Greater Possessed. Each of the five models has a choice of two arms. There are three additional heads, per assembly guide meant for specific bodies but if you remove the peg the heads should fit most bodies. Champion can have an optional icon on his backpack, the dude standing on the dead Marine can also have a plain rock instead. Backpacks are interchangeable as they fit any body. Sculpts are all around amazing and as they are Greater Possessed size and on 40mm size, they're taller than Primaris.

Now, the Accursed Cultists... what you see is what you get. Both the Torments and Cultists are all monopose models with no assembly options or optional bitz. Sad but to be expected. Cultists are on 25mm bases and the same size as regular Cultists, Torments are on 40mm bases so they aren't that huge. The detail on these is amazing though, especially the Torments are amazing sculpts again. You can really see how far miniature design has come on these, compare these to Chaos models 10 or 20 years ago.

 stahly wrote:
You can really see how far miniature design has come on these, compare these to Chaos models 10 or 20 years ago.

Yet at the same time, how far GW has regressed:

"... three additional heads... meant for specific bodies..."

I don't understand what GW has against cultists in this release, they're all completely mono-build. I wonder if they were initially meant to all come in one big boxed set or something.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't understand what GW has against cultists in this release, they're all completely mono-build. I wonder if they were initially meant to all come in one big boxed set or something.

Someone was tired of people asking for plastic cultists and so they did the crappiest job they could.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't understand what GW has against cultists in this release, they're all completely mono-build. I wonder if they were initially meant to all come in one big boxed set or something.

Someone was tired of people asking for plastic cultists and so they did the crappiest job they could.

Perhaps someone designed some great cultists and GW decided to sell them as a new ash waste gang for necromunda, so the design team had to come up with a new cultist box over a weekend.

Well to be fair, I dont mind the new cultist that much, and the dark commune was great. But even though I have loads of cultists for my word bearers, I cant say I would bother much with their models or options.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I don't understand what GW has against cultists in this release, they're all completely mono-build. I wonder if they were initially meant to all come in one big boxed set or something.

Someone was tired of people asking for plastic cultists and so they did the crappiest job they could.

A less disillusioned take one this would be that the people asking for Chaos Cultists were in GW's legal department and wanted the option covered for legal reasons, but because Chaos Marines aren't high on this year's update list they had to make do with the smallest monopose kit they could make because of sprue budget constraints for the Chaos Marine release. Throw in a desire from the miniature designers to do new things and not retread the same old stuff and you have perfect conditions for an unsatisfying release like this.

 stahly wrote:
I got the boxes early: https://twitter.com/stahly_top/status/1563451285231194114

I can confirm the Possessed are monopose and the same size as the (former) Greater Possessed. Each of the five models has a choice of two arms. There are three additional heads, per assembly guide meant for specific bodies but if you remove the peg the heads should fit most bodies. Champion can have an optional icon on his backpack, the dude standing on the dead Marine can also have a plain rock instead. Backpacks are interchangeable as they fit any body. Sculpts are all around amazing and as they are Greater Possessed size and on 40mm size, they're taller than Primaris.

Now, the Accursed Cultists... what you see is what you get. Both the Torments and Cultists are all monopose models with no assembly options or optional bitz. Sad but to be expected. Cultists are on 25mm bases and the same size as regular Cultists, Torments are on 40mm bases so they aren't that huge. The detail on these is amazing though, especially the Torments are amazing sculpts again. You can really see how far miniature design has come on these, compare these to Chaos models 10 or 20 years ago.

Can you post the assembly guides or at least the head options?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Can you post the assembly guides or at least the head options?

Stahly normally posts reviews on the Tale of Painters website. I imagine he only just got the figures.


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 Geifer wrote:
A less disillusioned take one this would be that the people asking for Chaos Cultists were in GW's legal department and wanted the option covered for legal reasons, but because Chaos Marines aren't high on this year's update list they had to make do with the smallest monopose kit they could make because of sprue budget constraints for the Chaos Marine release. Throw in a desire from the miniature designers to do new things and not retread the same old stuff and you have perfect conditions for an unsatisfying release like this.

Yes, I am sure they have pathetic excuses for their lazy release. However, I don't think it counts as disillusioned when I am exactly as disappointed by them as I already expected to be.

EDIT: Vincent Knotley (@VincentKnotley on Twitter) used most of the alternate arms for his Possessed.

https://twitter.com/VincentKnotley/status/1563453776509685760?s=20&t=x5qZxquS-X4oJxEbaovkHw
Spoiler for the image.

If GW just wanted to push out a Cultist kit, they already have all of the files for the Dark Vengeance units. Which would have actually made for a better kit...

With only eight heads, you can toss in two shadow spear guys and bam, ten uniqueish possessed


Also, based on the image, basic chaos backpacks work as well. Chosen may be a better source for backpacks but it does allow another way to customize them

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Can you post the assembly guides or at least the head options?

Stahly normally posts reviews on the Tale of Painters website. I imagine he only just got the figures.

Unfortunately there won't be an in-depth review of the new Chaos models over on Tale of Painters (I did review the Chaos Cultists and Dark Commune here: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-chaos-space-marine-cultists-dark-commune/) as I'm busy working on next week's review and I've got a Traitor Guardsmen painting tutorial coming up tomorrow