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Character models have usually been a bit bigger, anyway.

 LazzurusMan wrote:
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So if this is anything to go on, I might not want to buy too many more mk3 marines (even though I prefer mk3 to mk6)

That's a great image to use. It appears to be the thighs that the length has been added to. I wonder about using additional plastic to lengthen them a bit on the IIIs?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 LazzurusMan wrote:
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So if this is anything to go on, I might not want to buy too many more mk3 marines (even though I prefer mk3 to mk6)

That's a great image to use. It appears to be the thighs that the length has been added to. I wonder about using additional plastic to lengthen them a bit on the IIIs?

A friend of mine suggested I put a thin piece of plasticard in the waist joint to make them taller. I might try that with my next 10 (I somehow managed to order two lots of imp fist mk3 pads and cba to contact fw on a bank holiday to cancel the second order) and see how weird they look being taller with the same lenth arms and legs.

Marines in every legion color from the HH Open:

So, thoughts and opinions:

First, the Loyalists:

Iron Hands, Dark Angels, and Raven Guard all look like the same paint job.

The Blood Angels and White Scars wear it surprisingly well.

Space Wolves look a bit weird with just the beakie helm; I'd honestly be tempted to mix in some 40k bits into this one.

Salamanders wear it ok. I'd probably save those for basic marines and use Mk II, III, or IV for the Sergeants and Characters. Only way I'd do whole units in Mk VI would be if I painted them in the Rogue Trader colors.

Onto the Traitors:

Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion look good, no surprises there.

I already painted a Mk VI World Eater so I already knew that works. Studio model could use some dirtying up though.

Night Lords look BOMB in Mk VI. I don't think I could bring myself to use any other armor mark for them, though I would try to paint a skull on the helm.

Very surprised at how well the Emperor's Children, Word Bearers, and Death Guard look in Mk VI.

Thousand Sons just look...off...to me. I'm sorry, but they look better in Mks II-IV.

Undecided on the Iron Warriors. I think it's mostly the hazard stripe, because the rest of the scheme looks fine, and I'd even say it would work for a Firstborn Silver Skulls force. Maybe these could be Seekers or just throw away troops?


Regardless, none of these are bad enough for me to refuse games, that's for sure.

I'm really excited to see what people do with these on release because they look really nice. The Alpha Legion model especially. You can see which ones got the most effort which is a bit annoying. The Dark Angel has absolutely nothing to show it is actually a Dark Angel.

Reference sheets from the HH Open:

So what's going on with Contemptors, it looks like we're keeping the resin ones with legion iconography, but all of the weapons are totally gone from the Forgeworld webstore.

 Togusa wrote:
So what's going on with Contemptors, it looks like we're keeping the resin ones with legion iconography, but all of the weapons are totally gone from the Forgeworld webstore.

Maybe weapons arm kits similar to the ones they previewed for the power armour marines? Also could just see another multi part kit to fill out what's missing.

Or the weapons are for some reason out for a while until body comes back on sale. Though since there's still legion specific ones that would be odd.

But GW being GW odd is to be expected.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So what's going on with Contemptors, it looks like we're keeping the resin ones with legion iconography, but all of the weapons are totally gone from the Forgeworld webstore.

Maybe weapons arm kits similar to the ones they previewed for the power armour marines? Also could just see another multi part kit to fill out what's missing.

I highly suspect this is going to be the case. We are going to be getting plastic weaponry for the new dread, while legion specific are going to be resin still

IMO, i suspect that GW is going to go down this path for all of heresy:
-drop HH2.0
-support "Entry level" HH by providing plastic contemptor, plastic marines, plastic kits for new tank, spartain, possibly sicarin, and the rhino chassis
-Push an "intermediate" level of the game by either pushing resin upgrade kits things like T sons blade cult and Sehkmet. Things that are not full resin models but resin parts for plastic models. These might end up in plastic
-Push an "Advanced" level that uses their full resin kits like primarchs, special vehicles fighters things like that.

I can see GW moving a lot of kits into plastic, but i dont think they can possibly move the whole FW line into plastic.

With the Heavy and Special weapons being made as plastic box sets I would put money on Contemptor weapons being in the same boat.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So what's going on with Contemptors, it looks like we're keeping the resin ones with legion iconography, but all of the weapons are totally gone from the Forgeworld webstore.

Maybe weapons arm kits similar to the ones they previewed for the power armour marines? Also could just see another multi part kit to fill out what's missing.

I highly suspect this is going to be the case. We are going to be getting plastic weaponry for the new dread, while legion specific are going to be resin still

IMO, i suspect that GW is going to go down this path for all of heresy:
-drop HH2.0
-support "Entry level" HH by providing plastic contemptor, plastic marines, plastic kits for new tank, spartain, possibly sicarin, and the rhino chassis
-Push an "intermediate" level of the game by either pushing resin upgrade kits things like T sons blade cult and Sehkmet. Things that are not full resin models but resin parts for plastic models. These might end up in plastic
-Push an "Advanced" level that uses their full resin kits like primarchs, special vehicles fighters things like that.

I can see GW moving a lot of kits into plastic, but i dont think they can possibly move the whole FW line into plastic.

In my eyes Plastic primarchs are when, not if.

If 2.0 grows the hobby and brings in a fresh new generation, I am willing to bet that most if not almost all of them will rebuke working with Resin. Especially if they've come from 40K/AoS.

On that note, I've already seen two local HH players quite and sell their armies because they feel that not keeping the hobby segregated by having a higher cost and harder level of entry is "polluting" the game. The way people overreact to things never ceases to amaze me.


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 Gert wrote:
With the Heavy and Special weapons being made as plastic box sets I would put money on Contemptor weapons being in the same boat.

That would be nice. I wonder if there is a wave 2 of reveals for the release we haven't yet seen?

That would be nice. I wonder if there is a wave 2 of reveals for the release we haven't yet seen?

Add-ons to the Deimos Rhino kit seem obvious, whether they sell Predators and etc as their own boxes or just extra sprues, it would be hilariously dumb not to do it.

And that aside, this feels like a much more 'all-in' project than any they've done in a while. Maybe its just the number of 40k and AoS 'updates' that are just a book and model for the sake of selling a book, but this whole project feels absolutely massive by comparison.

While im not saying it wont happen, i would just be highly skeptical of plastic Primarchs. Those models cost a LOT to manufacture and i dont think you can use the dies for those resin injection molds on plastic.

Vehicles i can see being a lot easier to bring over into the plastic line of things, but the primarcs have a LOT of little bits and pieces im not sure can easily be put onto a spur for injection models. I might be wrong, but i would almost bet i would be cheaper just to design a new primarc model sculpt then trying to port the current ones into plastic.


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Voss wrote:

That would be nice. I wonder if there is a wave 2 of reveals for the release we haven't yet seen?

Add-ons to the Deimos Rhino kit seem obvious, whether they sell Predators and etc as their own boxes or just extra sprues, it would be hilariously dumb not to do it.

And that aside, this feels like a much more 'all-in' project than any they've done in a while. Maybe its just the number of 40k and AoS 'updates' that are just a book and model for the sake of selling a book, but this whole project feels absolutely massive by comparison.

I do agree that we will be seeing Deimos patterns very very soon for rhinos, since its such a logical step. IIRC the leaks even said this was gonna be the case along with plastic versions of legion specific items/units like plastic Sehkmet bits and what not.
I also agree this whole HH project feels a LOT bigger then "Hey lets just shift this into plastic." The way its being handled thus far, to me at least, seems almost like a passion project for someone high up in the company.
I dont think i can recall when we had such leaks and evidence that armies were being tested as much as they were/are. With us seeing phase 1 traitor, phase 3 loyalists, and it being rumored there were a total of 5 test phases for the game. The rules in general seem far more inline with previous rule sets, which flies in the face of the current GW systems. Its a weird way, this greatly feels to me similar to pathfinder coming into existence. DnD moved into 5th ed, and people wanted the old systems back, so along came pathfinder to restore 3.5e.
Feels like HH 2.0 is kinda doing the same thing.
Definitely think there are a lot of eggs in this basket.

Voss wrote:
Add-ons to the Deimos Rhino kit seem obvious, whether they sell Predators and etc as their own boxes or just extra sprues, it would be hilariously dumb not to do it.

And that aside, this feels like a much more 'all-in' project than any they've done in a while. Maybe its just the number of 40k and AoS 'updates' that are just a book and model for the sake of selling a book, but this whole project feels absolutely massive by comparison.

I think it's more a case of a pretty blank slate game, sort of like AoS 1. AoS 1 got Stormcast, Bloodbound, Arcanites, Fyreslayers, Kharadron, Sylvaneth, Everchosen, and Ironjawz as mostly entirely new factions so the releases there are more similar to what we're seeing with HH. AoS 2 was similar for Nighthaunt, Gloomspite, Ossiarchs, Sons of Behemat, Lumineth and Idoneth.

 Gert wrote:

Voss wrote:
Add-ons to the Deimos Rhino kit seem obvious, whether they sell Predators and etc as their own boxes or just extra sprues, it would be hilariously dumb not to do it.

And that aside, this feels like a much more 'all-in' project than any they've done in a while. Maybe its just the number of 40k and AoS 'updates' that are just a book and model for the sake of selling a book, but this whole project feels absolutely massive by comparison.

I think it's more a case of a pretty blank slate game, sort of like AoS 1. AoS 1 got Stormcast, Bloodbound, Arcanites, Fyreslayers, Kharadron, Sylvaneth, Everchosen, and Ironjawz as mostly entirely new factions so the releases there are more similar to what we're seeing with HH. AoS 2 was similar for Nighthaunt, Gloomspite, Ossiarchs, Sons of Behemat, Lumineth and Idoneth.

Hey. ill be honest here, i would not be upset 1 bit if HH 2.0 starts out with just marines, then mechanicum, guard, and custodes but then later on includes orks and eldar tossed in there.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
While im not saying it wont happen, i would just be highly skeptical of plastic Primarchs. Those models cost a LOT to manufacture and i dont think you can use the dies for those resin injection molds on plastic.

Vehicles i can see being a lot easier to bring over into the plastic line of things, but the primarcs have a LOT of little bits and pieces im not sure can easily be put onto a spur for injection models. I might be wrong, but i would almost bet i would be cheaper just to design a new primarc model sculpt then trying to port the current ones into plastic.

Definitely. Resin casting is more like metal casting than plastic. If that transition were possible, we would have never gotten finecast.
I don't think its a matter of cheaper, just not physically possible

I also don't think it would be worth it.
Common units (tacticals, assaults, rhinos, etc): absolutely
Legion specific : maybe, depending on how many people could be expected to buy -you're effectively dividing the player base into one-eighteenth segments, after all (and probably not evenly)
Unique: yeah... probably not. Especially not at the Primarch Price Point.

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Voss wrote:

That would be nice. I wonder if there is a wave 2 of reveals for the release we haven't yet seen?

Add-ons to the Deimos Rhino kit seem obvious, whether they sell Predators and etc as their own boxes or just extra sprues, it would be hilariously dumb not to do it.

And that aside, this feels like a much more 'all-in' project than any they've done in a while. Maybe its just the number of 40k and AoS 'updates' that are just a book and model for the sake of selling a book, but this whole project feels absolutely massive by comparison.

I do agree that we will be seeing Deimos patterns very very soon for rhinos, since its such a logical step. IIRC the leaks even said this was gonna be the case along with plastic versions of legion specific items/units like plastic Sehkmet bits and what not.
I also agree this whole HH project feels a LOT bigger then "Hey lets just shift this into plastic." The way its being handled thus far, to me at least, seems almost like a passion project for someone high up in the company.
I dont think i can recall when we had such leaks and evidence that armies were being tested as much as they were/are. With us seeing phase 1 traitor, phase 3 loyalists, and it being rumored there were a total of 5 test phases for the game. The rules in general seem far more inline with previous rule sets, which flies in the face of the current GW systems. Its a weird way, this greatly feels to me similar to pathfinder coming into existence. DnD moved into 5th ed, and people wanted the old systems back, so along came pathfinder to restore 3.5e.
Feels like HH 2.0 is kinda doing the same thing.
Definitely think there are a lot of eggs in this basket.

If the 'marines as a majority percentage of overall sales of 40k which is the majority percentage of overall sales of the company' persistent rumors are true, then those eggs aren't that risky.
Especially with the mk6 (and the deimos) being a nostalgia button mash for 40k players which will generate its own sales. And the special & heavy weapon boxes will make marine enthusiasts wet themselves. There is a _lot_ of redundant sales protection to this release, with just enough non-40k compatible stuff to be interesting in its own right (and which will generate a demand for 40k rules).

The trick to the Pathfinder comparison is GW is keeping it in house and isn't burning their bridges the way WotC did (when 4e launched, they stupidly did a lot of 'this is the best edition ever, if you liked older editions you're a fool' marketing. That went over poorly.). They're also focusing on genuine excitement & enthusiasm by staffers. Faking that is usually pretty obvious (I remember an 8th edition video or two that look liked some of the old guard had been put on camera at spearpoint). In that regard it feels like a passion project for the company, not just one person high up.

And thats why i said i feel like this is almost more of a passion project from someone higher up, not saying its JUST that one person, but that one person is acting as the voice of a lot of people in the company. Sort of like how Pathfinder was the voice of all the people that wanted 3.5e over 5th.

Like someone high on the baord/company is not a fan of how 9th and AoS are run as a game, and managed to get this project green lit to be made, and all those people who felt the same way are pumped about it as well.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
And thats why i said i feel like this is almost more of a passion project from someone higher up, not saying its JUST that one person, but that one person is acting as the voice of a lot of people in the company. Sort of like how Pathfinder was the voice of all the people that wanted 3.5e over 5th.

Like someone high on the baord/company is not a fan of how 9th and AoS are run as a game, and managed to get this project green lit to be made, and all those people who felt the same way are pumped about it as well.

Ah, I see. I tend to think of the board and upper company levels to be completely devoid of interest in the games, but that's admittedly some bias talking.

General Question:

How do you like your primarchs? On a regular base for ease of play, or on their fancy bases?

I feel like the fancy bases are just to big and unwieldly for the tabletop and I think I'm just going to basic build my primarchs.

Also, do we know if they are rereleasing all the content from the black books, or can we assume all that is past it's prime?

To answer your Primarch question, my Guilliman will be on the scenic base. Not the full size one, just the smaller one for HH games. But I will use the full-size one for 40K to match the "correct" base size that 40K Guilliman uses (I'm not using the plastic model).

As far as black book content, who knows? My personal suspicion is that some of the early Heresy characters that die in early battles (like Istvaan), may not be in the launch rules, especially if they still don't have a model yet. I feel like GW may want to initially focus on the latter stages of the Heresy, as that's where the current fiction releases are at. Maybe in future we'll get an Istvaan campaign book or something.

When does HH go up for Pre-order? This month, right?

June, mid to late.

Good GOD.

117$ for 5 Terminators? What in the feth is Forgeworld smoking!

When did their prices jump that high, most of the Primarchs are like 150$ now! That's absolutely insane!

 Togusa wrote:

When did their prices jump that high, most of the Primarchs are like 150$ now! That's absolutely insane!

There was a price increase earlier this year.
The big one, though, was FW just creating a separate US-based webstore to somehow make it "easier" for us to buy from them, but it was also at a price higher than current exchange rates. For example, I assume you're talking about the Iron Warriors terminators, which, when using the price on the UK website and current exchange rates, should be $93.

fishphacurr wrote:
When does HH go up for Pre-order? This month, right?

It was said that it will release in June, so preorder either in late May or sometime next month.

So Andy Hoare weighed in on the Palantine Aquila over on Instagram:

 
So based on that, I'm going to say it's this:

 
While this is likely the Emperor's personal Aquila as the lighting bolts were the early symbol of the Imperium and I could see him pairing the two symbols to represent himself.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

When did their prices jump that high, most of the Primarchs are like 150$ now! That's absolutely insane!

There was a price increase earlier this year.
The big one, though, was FW just creating a separate US-based webstore to somehow make it "easier" for us to buy from them, but it was also at a price higher than current exchange rates. For example, I assume you're talking about the Iron Warriors terminators, which, when using the price on the UK website and current exchange rates, should be $93.

Yeah. That's just absolutely unacceptable. I'll have to make them myself.

wow, its cheaper to just buy cataphractii and slap some cyclones to them