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 blood reaper wrote:
GW was sanctioning Russians long before anyone else; have you seen those prices?

 Daedalus81 wrote:


Sure. Now can we castigate all the other companies who have yet to put out a statement or are we just here for the snacks?

We're not here to discuss the other companies though (at least in this thread talking about GW). And FWIW I have seen plenty of criticism (in places other than Dakka) of companies sluggish to make statements and cut off sales in Russia.

Wake me when a company has the balls to say something to the effect of 'We will continue to sell our products in Russia because we don't believe in blaming ordinary citizens for the crimes of a dictator that they have no control over. Thus, we see no reason to inflict additional misery and hardships on a already suffering population purely for the purposes of moral grandstanding.'

And if they literally can't sell their products because of sanctions, just be honest about it. We don't need every issue to be phrased as stemming from some sort of a moral argument.

Not unless GW also wants to offer a moral argument every time it ramps up its prices.

All those Russian recasters that can't sell outside their country and all those Russian hobbyists that can't buy from outside their country are just going to have to learn to get along with each other.

Well done GW for doing the right thing unlike so many other international companies who have kept quiet and carried on circumventing the sanctions. People complaining that it's to little to late, what are you doing? have you boycotted those companies still selling in Russia?

 vipoid wrote:
Wake me when a company has the balls to say something to the effect of 'We will continue to sell our products in Russia because we don't believe in blaming ordinary citizens for the crimes of a dictator that they have no control over. Thus, we see no reason to inflict additional misery and hardships on a already suffering population purely for the purposes of moral grandstanding.'

Time to pull out the ol' reliable everyone keeps using to defend GW.

These are only luxury children toys, nobody's is suffering and if they want them they're just entitled.

So while other companies have sales campaigns where majority of their sales on set days go directly to help Ukraina, this is the best GW, a massively profiting company, can do?

slow clap

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I sure am glad that Corporation has a foreign policy now.

You're several centuries late on this comment.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
How long until the mods nuke this thread from orbit.

Something like 2h ?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

Nice whataboutism.

US doing stupid gak doesn't preclude other criticism.

It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

Question - how hard is it to just take a company's statement at face value, rather than essentially make unfounded suppositions and/or conspiracy theory?

Short and sweet.

Praying for Ukraine and its people. Hoping this conflict comes to an end soon and rebuilding can happen. No matter what side of the spectrum you're on, war is nothing to idolize or encourage, and should remain a game we play with plastic soldiers on a tabletop.

 godardc wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
How long until the mods nuke this thread from orbit.

Something like 2h ?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

Nice whataboutism.

US doing stupid gak doesn't preclude other criticism.

It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

Calling this Russian xenophobia is just as appropriate as calling WW2 "German xenophobia"

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
How long until the mods nuke this thread from orbit.

Something like 2h ?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

Nice whataboutism.

US doing stupid gak doesn't preclude other criticism.

It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kind of
behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

Calling this Russian xenophobia is just as appropriate as calling WW2 "German xenophobia"

I didn't say it was Russophobia, but that this kind of behavior will bring Russophobia. And it's true and you know it. In France, they are attacking and threatening Russian restaurants for exemple. And even some others Slavic restaurants like... Ukrainian ones. Because people are stupid.
And when fb allow threatening anti Russian posts, it's part of this kind of behavior

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
How long until the mods nuke this thread from orbit.

Something like 2h ?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

Nice whataboutism.

US doing stupid gak doesn't preclude other criticism.

It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

Calling this Russian xenophobia is just as appropriate as calling WW2 "German xenophobia"

I think it's more the fact that plenty of other countries have done horrendous things in recent years, yet it only seems to count when Russia does it.

If you want an example of this, consider for a moment the fact that Russians have banned from taking part in the Olympic games because of their ongoing war with Ukraine. However, it's perfectly fine for China to host said games, despite its ongoing genocide against a portion of its population.

This is the point where a lot of the moral arguments start to fall apart for me.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

You...are aware that hundreds of thousands of people actually protested against him ? And have been doing it for like 2 decades ? What do you know about Russia ? The simple fact that you are speaking about WW3 is really showing and telling.

 godardc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

You...are aware that hundreds of thousands of people actually protested against him ? And have been doing it for like 2 decades ? What do you know about Russia ? The simple fact that you are speaking about WW3 is really showing and telling.

And those protests haven't exactly achieved much, have they?

As a Russian warhammer enthusiast, I’m quite upset. Not «well, NOW I will try to overthrow the dictator government harder, that was the last straw” or “wow, they really ARE that deranged, that they decided to feth up two countries at the same time” or “half of the population still believes crap from tv” upset, but still pretty upset, yaknow.

Cheers, GW, you could’ve said that now it’s just impossible to trade with us due to sanctions, like the situation truly is, it’d be a bit more sincere.

But hey, it’s not as if we will have any money to buy warhammer, when the default hits any week now. So ha! Jokes on you, GW

Hmm.. I guess, GW doesn’t really care about Yemen as much - they still sell stuff to Saudi Arabia. But no one really cares about Yemen, tbh, so can’t really blame them. I’ve found out about the war there just a week ago myself, on accident, while scrolling through some comments on Reddit.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

You...are aware that hundreds of thousands of people actually protested against him ? And have been doing it for like 2 decades ? What do you know about Russia ? The simple fact that you are speaking about WW3 is really showing and telling.

And those protests haven't exactly achieved much, have they?

Do you even understand how dictatorships work?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

You...are aware that hundreds of thousands of people actually protested against him ? And have been doing it for like 2 decades ? What do you know about Russia ? The simple fact that you are speaking about WW3 is really showing and telling.

And those protests haven't exactly achieved much, have they?

Your point being?

Can you leave politics away this forum?

How about you talk things like, how much money did actually GW make from Russia sales and how do you think they will balance that now?

 NAVARRO wrote:
How about you talk things like, how much money did actually GW make from Russia sales and how do you think they will balance that now?

Because I don't care about either of those things?

Though if you want me to hazard a very rough guess as to the latter, probably be raising prices for everyone else and far in excess of whatever money they made from Russian sales.

This is, after all, how GW handles the effects of inflation, deflation, market destabilisation, market stabilisation, global recessions, regional recessions, the prices of materials going up, the prices of materials going down, switching to less-expensive materials . . .

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Nice whataboutism.

...

Now can we castigate all the other companies who have yet to put out a statement

Literally in the same post. Dude.

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

They can cry me a river. Even independent western polling assesses that 2/3rds of the population of Russia is on board with their invasion of Ukraine, so I feel no pity for them, regardless of whether its because they are being misled and propagandized. Somehow I think they'll survive without their expensive toys.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I sure am glad that Corporation has a foreign policy now.

I work for a (spinoff of a) corporation that overthrew democratically elected governments decades ago. While that is an extreme example, corporations have always had foreign policies - they actively lobby governments for international trade deals, sanctions, tariffs, etc. and engage directly with foreign governments to cut deals to open new factories, establish ports, farms, and mines, build infrastructure, etc. Just because you're unaware of these activities doesn't mean they don't exist.

 Wiz Warrior wrote:

TheGoodGerman wrote:
Oh, come on. It’s not as if GW was supplying Russia with real weapons, was it?

Those are plastic tanks.

But you dont understand. Russia was about to use those tanks, as they have learned that GW polystyrene tanks are far more durable than the material they have been making their tanks from for the past 30+ years. The GW tanks are also better enigineered.

GW have just made a harsh blow against the russian fascist warmachine by this embargo. Slava Ukraini.

They make a plastic Tractor model too don't they...Hmm.

Good on them. Out of this mess, I've enjoyed watching the world come together to hate on Putin. I'd say it's possible he's more hated now than Kim Jong Un. And that's truly an achievement.

 godardc wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:


It doesn't, and I didn't say it does. But you have to admit that this is obvious double standard and it's coward and useless.
"Sanctioning" Russia after everyone did it to be sure to be on trend ? Ukraine washing ?
Only negativity can come from this kinda od behavior. And Russian xenophobia but apparently that's okay nowadays.

I won't go into whether it's a double standard, because it's an incredibly complex topic that would take days to pick apart and discuss and we'll get nowhere with it.

The fact relevant to this issue is that Russia is an aggressor that is not responding to an actual threat. The world does not wish to stand idly by so we have the choice of sanctions or WW3. Russians have had two decades to break the yoke of Putin. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Perhaps America will suffer the same fate in the near future. We'll see, I guess.

You...are aware that hundreds of thousands of people actually protested against him ? And have been doing it for like 2 decades ? What do you know about Russia ? The simple fact that you are speaking about WW3 is really showing and telling.

Protests, yes. Hundreds of thousands? No. The biggest protest in Moscow in 2011 barely cracked 50K depending on who you believe. The Women's March against Trump was 3M to 5M people.

Putin literally extolled that a Ukraine that was against Russia was akin to using WMDs on Russia. He's made no bones about bluffing use of nuclear weapons. Have you not been paying attention to his speeches or do you not take his words at face value?

Do you not see the statements from Russia that are immediately proven a lie the next week when they do what they said they wouldn't?

Russia is an errant state and I'd grant you more leniency in your argument if the US State Department made equally capricious foreign policy statements.


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 Duskweaver wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Nice whataboutism.

...

Now can we castigate all the other companies who have yet to put out a statement

Literally in the same post. Dude.

No, that's called a double standard.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Oh God, that's so cringe... Speak about double standards. So the West can bomb Serbia and Iraq and go away with it but poor Russian hobbyists who can't even choose their president got this ? Nice.

Nice whataboutism.

US doing stupid gak doesn't preclude other criticism.


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 Duskweaver wrote:
As others have pointed out, if this was a genuine principled stand by GW then they'd have (1) done it 3 weeks ago and (2) stopped selling stuff to several other countries long before that.

Sure. Now can we castigate all the other companies who have yet to put out a statement or are we just here for the snacks?

No no, see... WE have to get our meaningless virtue signaling now!

What's even the point of statements like these if we can't make ourselves look smart and edgy by making scathing rebukes of the company for not doing more earlier or whatever?

What's even the point if we can't add our own condemnations of the bad thing that's happening to make it all about us?

What's even the point if we can't derail it to make our own flawed whataboutisms of other heinous acts of imperialism? Why it might not even be about ME then?!?!

Every person who comments in this thread their own opinion about why or how GW is making a statement like this is ultimately ACTUALLY doing what the critics of announcement are accusing GW of. Self-indulgent grandstanding.

 vipoid wrote:
Wake me when a company has the balls to say something to the effect of 'We will continue to sell our products in Russia because we don't believe in blaming ordinary citizens for the crimes of a dictator that they have no control over. Thus, we see no reason to inflict additional misery and hardships on a already suffering population purely for the purposes of moral grandstanding.'

And if they literally can't sell their products because of sanctions, just be honest about it. We don't need every issue to be phrased as stemming from some sort of a moral argument.

Not unless GW also wants to offer a moral argument every time it ramps up its prices.

A first from the shore - Coca-Cola did exactly that and got a backlash so huge, they eventually got out of Russia just days later. My wife spent couple days working 12 hours straight doing crisis reports for them.

The whole point of those sanctions on everyday, common goods is to bring enough discontent in the nation to incite protests and strikes.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Calling this Russian xenophobia is just as appropriate as calling WW2 "German xenophobia"

I think this counts as Godwin's point.

This thread should've been locked after the first post.