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Maybe a favourable angle... Arms a bit long but not terrible.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
don't forget the ranged version

That looks like some sort of animal-themed embellishment on the weapon...they seem to be giving them a lot of animal stuff but nothing in the way of Votann-themed decoration. Strange as it's even their faction icon.

Yeah, you'd think the Leagues of Votann would have iconography dedicated to their Votann rather than farm animals their Votann might have owned at some point thousands of years ago.
Maybe the Votann just really like animals, I dunno.

WebwayWarrior wrote:
Maybe a favourable angle... Arms a bit long but not terrible.

it is a starcraft suite, the arms and legs don't reach to the were the hand/feet of the suit are
this is were the bulky look from the suit comes from

WebwayWarrior wrote:
Maybe a favourable angle... Arms a bit long but not terrible.

Eh, the exosuit isn't meant to be form fitting, so the limbs seeming a bit long isn't that much of a big deal.

derpherp wrote:
To be clear for you guys who don't seem to quite get it 🙄, I used to think they were ripped off wholesale from starcraft, but now looking at the original model I do not think that.

I think they do look a bit like terran marines, but the reason for that is because they are playing on the original design which featured dome helmets and giant pauldrons.

You put a dome helmet and giant pauldrons on any future armour that isn't an egg and its going to look reminiscent of terran marines.


The sword+gun and segmented boots I think makes it clear that the intent was to un-eggify the original exo-squat and imo makes the case pretty solid.

Feel free to continue screeching about it being a wholesale rip off.

Trash take as always I see.
It's always funny to see how you literally ignore everything people say, even when they put cute picture for you to look at and just try somehow to talk down to everyone despite being clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The back of the armor look very, VERY close to a SC2 marine, especially that spine, the front look like a mix of a marine and a marauder (especially that ranged version).

The reality is simple, since 8th GW has been ripping of Starcraft 2 (and SC2 specifically, not the first one) in the most shameless fashion possible, from their skybunker that look exactly the same than the iconic bunkers of SC2, to the Agressors and Inceptor that are carbon copy of Marauder and Reaper to that very out place Firestrike Servo-Turret that nobody understood why it was ever a thing until they realized it's simply because SC2 had an Auto-Turret unit.

And these new exo-suites are PAINFULLY close to the SC2 marines and Marauders that you have to be blind or a GW salesman to deny the fact that it's an obvious lazy ripoff.

And before anyone come with the usual smoothbrain take, yes, we all know the story of war/starcrafts and warhammars, but that's so painfully out of topic I'm amazed every time someone bring it up anyway.

Blizzard was original inspired by the warhammers when they started their game series 30 years ago and never ever looked back on since, trying to pretend that somehow GW and Blizz were constantly ripping eachothers is as moronic as saying that GW has been constantly ripping off LoTR and Dune for the past 40 years, it's just not true, what's going on on GW side can be pinpointed with the start of the primaris and has continued since (like thos random necron walkers that are clearly inspired from the SC2 protos walkers), or that frankly embarrassing "The Armouring of a Space Marine" cinematic that didn't just ripoff the SC2 iconic intro, but actually ripped off a fanmade 40k version of said intro (called The Raptor on youtube), one that was the first to use that Crysis suite as the now apparently canon astartes undergarment, since GW copied that too despite it not being a thing before that fanmade video that was just using some 3D assets they had from Crysis.

You can like it all you want, it won't change the fact that GW has been painfully creatively bankrupt as of late.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
don't forget the ranged version

That looks like some sort of animal-themed embellishment on the weapon...they seem to be giving them a lot of animal stuff but nothing in the way of Votann-themed decoration. Strange as it's even their faction icon.

Yeah, you'd think the Leagues of Votann would have iconography dedicated to their Votann rather than farm animals their Votann might have owned at some point thousands of years ago.
Maybe the Votann just really like animals, I dunno.

Like the Votann/Dwarf face iconography is their faction icon and even something that they've seemingly put onto walls (it's in the background of the Command Centre art), but it's completely absent from the miniatures. The animal theming just seems odd and a little out of place considering that.

Starcraft marine stretched out horizontally 15%.

I'm not wowed by the new armor, but none of the pictures here convince me that an obvious ripoff is taking place.

A few decades of wargaming in and especially out of the GW universe and you realize that we're at critical mass of design such that it's near impossible to make a Power Armor design that doesn't look (intentionally or not) extremely derivative of earlier work.

I completely understand arguing the merits of a design or how much it fits the universe/fluff/Faction/etc but arguing originality is a dead end for all parties.

distant and muffled "You wanna piece of me, boy?"

 Eilif wrote:
I'm not wowed by the new armor, but none of the pictures here convince me that an obvious ripoff is taking place.

A few decades of wargaming in and especially out of the GW universe and you realize that we're at critical mass of design such that it's near impossible to make a Power Armor design that doesn't look (intentionally or not) extremely derivative of earlier work.

I completely understand arguing the merits of a design or how much it fits the universe/fluff/Faction/etc but arguing originality is a dead end for all parties.

There are plenty of things they could do with an exo-armour that make it different from the usual style, though.

A more dieselpunk inspired look for example:

 Eilif wrote:
I'm not wowed by the new armor, but none of the pictures here convince me that an obvious ripoff is taking place.

Is anyone trying to do that? Admittedly I've only skimmed the last couple of pages of rapid updates but it seems like the consensus is more akin to obvious inspiration moreso than "ripoff".

WebwayWarrior wrote:
Maybe a favourable angle... Arms a bit long but not terrible.

Quite a lot better than starcraft marines who have dislocated shoulders at least.





MMmm, the more I look at starcraft marines here and around the internet and compare them to the new squats the less I really feel they look hugely like starcraft marines. They do look kinda like them, but its a pretty shallow resemblance.

Like, this talk about marauders and that ciggarette carton image or whatever it is, marauders use single barrel grenade launchers not machine guns if you look them up. I feel like people here either didn't play starcraft, or are only half remembering what marauders are like. The nub above the barrel doesnt actually do anything, its just a small nub with a light on it. Marauders also don't have hands, I doubt that carton image is handless, the panel thing looks too thin. So its probably a double barrelled machine gun or something like that above the hand. That's not very marauder like tbh.

Which makes this comment "Ah yes, literally literal Marauders 1:1, not even slightly exaggerating." sound like sarcasm. But then maybe it always was lol.

 Eilif wrote:

A few decades of wargaming in and especially out of the GW universe and you realize that we're at critical mass of design such that it's near impossible to make a Power Armor design that doesn't look (intentionally or not) extremely derivative of earlier work.

Oh sure, nobody denies the fact that at some point you reach that critical mass, but we aren't talking about a one time thing here, there's way too many of "GW suddenly ripping off SC2" post 8th to be reasonably handwaved as pure coincidence or osmosis.

Isn't the spine on the back of the suit a link to the Van Saar original STC design? It takes a while to develop a new faction, but seems that the 2018 Van Saar might have included that bit of design whilst the Votan were a little way off.

It seems the Einhyr has some of the Dwarf embellishment stuff....on the sides of their ankles and facing upwards behind their head? Very odd places to put them, I feel like that side of their aesthetic is just being randomly stuck on without much thought.

These look so... generic.

They're almost Mantic-level in design.

Really dull.

I’ll give them credit where it’s due, the designs are consistent with other in-universe stuff they’ve released since Primaris became a thing. Unfortunately that also means they’re consistently ugly and boring. The armor looks like a weird hybrid of what the Van Saar and Cawl’s marines wear.

I usually laugh at people that nitpick models by saying they just copy pasted the poses in the digital sculpting tool they use, but I cannot unsee the similarities between these and the aggressors. It’s like they took those, asked how could they make them even worse than they already were, and stuck with that design philosophy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
These look so... generic.

They're almost Mantic-level in design.

Damn "Manti-level in design" is so accurate it actually hurts.

At this point I fully expect them to have SC2 siege tanks a their only battle tank ngl.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
These look so... generic.

They're almost Mantic-level in design.

Really dull.

I agree so much with this. For the Votann to be a viable UNIT, much less a whole faction, they really need a more 'iconic' look than this. GW is normally so over the top with their visual style that it's hard to believe that this is a complaint I have, but there it is.

I don't want the whole "They are called Space Wolves so we have to have them turning into wolves and riding wolves" ridiculousness that forever blighted Space Wolves for me--but for a group that so venerates their ancestral culture, the Votann sure seem like they don't show much enthusiasm for it.

Those pauldons are dire, otherwise I like the look; generic videogamey aside. Probably look better with cataphractii-ish shoulders.

"Mantic-level"? E-youch!

Another odd preview for me. It is not that I hate any of the NuSquats so far... I am just not impressed yet. A good part could be the colour scheme. for some reasons it does not "click" with me at all.

The exoarmour ones are... okay, I guess? Paintjob aside, what actually irks me about them is the complete lack of helmets: just no.

As with the rest of the range so far, I want to see these painted by some people outside of GW. Other colours, other styles of painting... anything but this would make them look better I believe. And if nothing can save them: not the end of the world, money saved for me.

I wonder how big these fellas are next to a Cadian Guardsman…

Too generic sci-fi or not dwarfy enough.

It's fair criticism, but had they leaned into less generic sci-fi and more dwarfy there would be people calling them hacks for lazy dwarf tropes so I don't think this is a battle that can be perfectly won. Someone wont like it no matter what they do.

For what its worth these designs seem liked or really liked by 80-90% of people online, which is a good sign as negativity motivates people to comment many times more than positivity.

The more I look at the units the more I feel like the range is going to look really good once it is shown together as an army. And I feel it's going to be considered iconic in the long term for its well thought out design principles because I can practically see the amount of thought that went into these designs, saying this as someone who has done design work in the past.

The only thing I'm really worried about is if they will stick the landing with the Land Train

I was wrong to call these Mantic-like. Forge Father's at least have character.

derpherp wrote:
It's fair criticism, but had they leaned into less generic sci-fi and more dwarfy there would be people calling them hacks for lazy dwarf tropes so I don't think this is a battle that can be perfectly won. Someone wont like it no matter what they do.

Bad's better than boring.

The lack of helmets bothers me. Even the one that has it has the faceplate open.

If they really want to show off their faces and those dermal ridges, then just reveal some background like how they have powerful forcefields replicating the effects of armor around their head. That's the explanation Jes Goodwin gave for those Exarch alternate heads that had open faces.

People complaining about 40k stealing from StarCraft? What year is this?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I was wrong to call these Mantic-like. Forge Father's at least have character.

derpherp wrote:
It's fair criticism, but had they leaned into less generic sci-fi and more dwarfy there would be people calling them hacks for lazy dwarf tropes so I don't think this is a battle that can be perfectly won. Someone wont like it no matter what they do.

Bad's better than boring.

...Considering how loud and viciously nasty the community would be... I'll uh, disagree on that one. Boring doesnt get brutal backlash unlike being actually genuinely bad would.

That said, I don't think they're design is boring, although I can see how its not for everyone.

If they nail the land train I don't expect to see the word boring ever used again in reference to the Votann. But we will see. Fingers crossed its amazing.

derpherp wrote:
To be clear for you guys who don't seem to quite get it 🙄, I used to think they were ripped off wholesale from starcraft, but now looking at the original model I do not think that.

I think they do look a bit like terran marines, but the reason for that is because they are playing on the original design which featured dome helmets and giant pauldrons.

You put a dome helmet and giant pauldrons on any future armour that isn't an egg and its going to look reminiscent of terran marines.


The sword+gun and segmented boots I think makes it clear that the intent was to un-eggify the original exo-squat and imo makes the case pretty solid.

Feel free to continue screeching about it being a wholesale rip off.

Everyone else is Wrong But Me: The Musical

 Albertorius wrote:

derpherp wrote:
To be clear for you guys who don't seem to quite get it 🙄, I used to think they were ripped off wholesale from starcraft, but now looking at the original model I do not think that.

I think they do look a bit like terran marines, but the reason for that is because they are playing on the original design which featured dome helmets and giant pauldrons.

You put a dome helmet and giant pauldrons on any future armour that isn't an egg and its going to look reminiscent of terran marines.


The sword+gun and segmented boots I think makes it clear that the intent was to un-eggify the original exo-squat and imo makes the case pretty solid.

Feel free to continue screeching about it being a wholesale rip off.

Everyone else is Wrong But Me: The Musical

I'm going to be super charitable and assume English isn't your native language. In English when you couch your statements with the phrase "I think" you are saying it is an opinion based on what you know, and that all other opinions are completely valid. There does not exist a way in the english language to couch statements more mildly than using the phrase "I think".

I used the phrase "I think" four times in my comment. I tried my best to make it absolutely explicitly clear that this is just an opinion. I consciously went out of my way to write it like this.

I actually went further than that though, I used the phrase to "make a solid case"
which according to google means:

to argue for something
to make a case: to argue for something, to defend an idea.

Which to be clear does not mean I am stating something as fact, I am stating that if someone were to get into a debate for the topic they would have a decent chance at winning the debate because their case is solid. That does not mean they are guaranteed to win that debate.

Hope that helps clear my meaning up.... again.

derpherp wrote:
Feel free to continue screeching about it being a wholesale rip off.

Everyone else is Wrong But Me: The Musical

I'm going to be super charitable and assume English isn't your native language. In English when you couch your statements with the phrase "I think" you are saying it is an opinion based on what you know, and that all other opinions are completely valid. There does not exist a way in the english language to couch statements more mildly than using the phrase "I think".

I used the phrase "I think" four times in my comment. I tried my best to make it absolutely explicitly clear that this is just an opinion. I consciously went out of my way to write it like this.

See, however many "I think" you add, you also make quite clear what you think about everyone else's opinion. When you characterize everyone else's comments as "screeching", it makes quite clear what you mean by "I think".

So... yeah