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Jidmah wrote: *looks at ork range*
*looks at chaos range*
*looks at eldar range*
Are you guys seriously having a fight over coats and tire sizes?
Ork Vehicles don't look like they'll completely flip over on the first bump, or the first time they get hit by anything that isn't small arms fire.
Chaos vehicles are just most SM vehicles with tracks, or have legs. I can't think of anything that looks that top heavy, ignoring old Epic models. Maybe the Lord of Skulls?
All eldar vehicles fly excluding the war walker, which kinda ignores any sort of terrain concerns.
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Jidmah wrote: *looks at ork range*
*looks at chaos range*
*looks at eldar range*
Are you guys seriously having a fight over coats and tire sizes?
Ork Vehicles don't look like they'll completely flip over on the first bump, or the first time they get hit by anything that isn't small arms fire.
Chaos vehicles are just most SM vehicles with tracks, or have legs. I can't think of anything that looks that top heavy, ignoring old Epic models. Maybe the Lord of Skulls?
All eldar vehicles fly excluding the war walker, which kinda ignores any sort of terrain concerns.
Most Ork Vehicles look like something out of Scrapheap Challenge - and thus they might not flip at the first bump. They are more likely to completely tear apart
Meanwhile we have Orks wearing pirate hats; Eldar wearing clothes of all fancy kinds (seriously all those fancy tassles and stuff - disaster for a battlefield).
Heck even Necrons wear pointless cloths (skin/bits of flesh)
Truly the only faction that is sensible and logical; which is perfection and doesn't go for capes or coats or fur-lined neck ruffs - is the Tyranids!
Jidmah wrote: *looks at ork range*
*looks at chaos range*
*looks at eldar range*
Are you guys seriously having a fight over coats and tire sizes?
Orks are deliberately the way they are, Eldar have flying sleek super-advanced vehicles and Chaos mostly has Space Marine-tier tracked vehicles, and daemon engines. So they're either justified (Orks), people are used to them and they're lower to the ground and tracked (Chaos), or they're so far from human vehicles that nobody can really say how they're supposed to look like (Eldar and Daemon Engines). The Land Fortress is based on real vehicles, and it doesn't look like what it's actually supposed to be in-lore. There's outlandish and ludicrious on purpose, and there's something that's clearly supposed to be a semi-realistic, utilitarian rugged and heavy transport that just doesn't look the part.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
I guess moving goal posts while holding your eyes and ears shut tightly does help with getting angry at tires.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:If it's supposed to be a rugged exploratory vehicle, why is it proportioned so it'd fall over sideways the second it drives over a small bump on one side.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:I still don't get why they decided to give the Land Fortress comically undersized wheels.
Out of interest, were you just going to keep posting that until someone responded or..?
Squats are being put out there as a paragon of efficiency, effectiveness and clever design.
This just leads to problems when the model designers don't really know what that means (whether from personal experience, or fulfilling some kind of design brief that is not clear).
Necrons outerwear isn't pointless, its intended to scare the bejeezuz out of the enemy (also the flayed ones probably think they look awesome).
So the issue isn't really with the aesthetic value of the clothing, more on the practicality and effectiveness. Hence we've basically been through the same argument for:
- Weapons (hard to see how they work, or why they would be designed that way)
- Vehicles
- outerwear (and to a certain extent underwear with those Berzerks)
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I still don't get why they decided to give the Land Fortress comically undersized wheels.
To make the body look bigger and differentiate it from the Sagitaur.
...but they just made it look like a fat, disproportional Sagitaur by giving it the same kind of wheels but backwards? What? If you wanted to make two things look different, why would you deliberately use the exact same components?
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Jidmah wrote: I guess moving goal posts while holding your eyes and ears shut tightly does help with getting angry at tires.
I was unaware properly argumenting and explaining your case counted as "moving goal posts and holding your eyes and ears tightly shut". I guess that's just what you shout at everyone who disagrees with you when you lack the capability to actually come up with any proper count-argument other than personal insults and whataboutism.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
So the army did not drop this weekend... maybe next one? but then again how much longer before the individual box sets and potentially a combat patrol?
Im thinking the army will be this month and the rest only next months after... sigh.
I lean towards it being unlikely the Squat Box shows up in the Sunday article this weekend, given the MESBG box is getting a two-week pre-order.
Damn...Looks like theres some considerable waiting time before we can actually get these individual kits then.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I still don't get why they decided to give the Land Fortress comically undersized wheels.
To make the body look bigger and differentiate it from the Sagitaur.
...but they just made it look like a fat, disproportional Sagitaur by giving it the same kind of wheels but backwards? What? If you wanted to make two things look different, why would you deliberately use the exact same components?
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Jidmah wrote: I guess moving goal posts while holding your eyes and ears shut tightly does help with getting angry at tires.
I was unaware properly argumenting and explaining your case counted as "moving goal posts and holding your eyes and ears tightly shut". I guess that's just what you shout at everyone who disagrees with you when you lack the capability to actually come up with any proper count-argument other than personal insults and whataboutism.
I wonder where the inspiration came from for the small wheeled big body thing, oh yeah, moon buggies!
Having things share components and inspirations gives a cohesive look to range, while exaggerating the scale of the bigger model gives the impression of, well scale!
Jidmah wrote:*looks at ork range*
*looks at chaos range*
*looks at eldar range*
Are you guys seriously having a fight over coats and tire sizes?
Really Jid? After *checks Jidmah's join date* 11 years on Dakka, does this really surprise you?
Overread wrote:Heck even Necrons wear pointless cloths (skin/bits of flesh)
There's nothing "pointless" about factions wearing flayed skin. It serves both a tactical purpose (scaring the out of the enemy), and is quite fashionable.
So the army did not drop this weekend... maybe next one? but then again how much longer before the individual box sets and potentially a combat patrol?
Im thinking the army will be this month and the rest only next months after... sigh.
I lean towards it being unlikely the Squat Box shows up in the Sunday article this weekend, given the MESBG box is getting a two-week pre-order.
I knew people would get confused by this when they announced it.
The MESBG box isn't coming out until December. This is the advanced pre-order, where you can pay now to increase the likelihood that you'll get it before Christmas. It has no real effect on things that are actually releasing in September (which is why HH is getting actual preorders that are really coming out the following week).
There will be normal preorders announced next Sunday as well, and given that the preview event formally said that the initial squad box is September, pretty good odds. Mandatory if they want to actually have it release in September rather than just preorder in September for the first weekend in October.
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The most interesting thing is the first 30 or so seconds seemingly implying that how they were original with the Squat Empire was actually still a thing after all. It says they fought alongside Imperial Allies as Space Dwarfs.
It really isn't clear if that's meant to be just a meta out-of-universe thing or not though.
I'm wondering have any other videos used that music before? It's not really the sort of thing I expected from Warhammer
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"40k is cool, so nothing has to make any sense, nothing has to be practical, and all the outlandish elements aren't contrasted by relatively realistic ones."
This legitimately feels like "It's magic, it doesn't have to make sense." Sure, you can make a world where magic doesn't make sense, but it then becomes very easy to criticize. If you can teleport wherever you want, but you decide to slow walk to the things you need, there's a problem. The issue with the whole aesthetic thing is that they're using a very practical aesthetic, but not practical in the ways they're using it. It's an issue when the Adeptus Mechanicus models look more practical.
‘What Lorgar’s fanatics have not seen is that these gods are nothing compared to the power and the majesty of the Machine-God. Already, members of our growing cult are using the grace of the Omnissiah – the true Omnissiah, not Terra’s false prophet – to harness the might of the warp. Geller fields, warp missiles, void shields, all these things you are familiar with. But their underlying principles can be turned to so much more. Through novel exploitations of these technologies we will gain mastery first over the energies of the empyrean, then over the lesser entities, until finally the very gods themselves will bend the knee and recognise the supremacy of the Machine-God"
- Heretek Ardim Protos in Titandeath by Guy Haley
Some people like them some people don’t, surely it’s a simple as that.
Navarro is trying to move the conversation forward. Do people think the release date will be round the 24th?
Also do you think they will do one of there guarantees if we order directly, I hope so as I like a lot of the figures.
An announcement this Sunday 11th would put them in stores for Saturday 24th alongside the free figures, so yeah my money is on that.
With so much else in the pipeline I suspect they might skip the Made To Order thing this time and just bring the main codex release out sooner. There was six weeks between the Ork army box and main release, but only three weeks for Black Templars. Codex & Combat Patrol up mid-October with more stuff out in November.
It's interesting to see all the complaints but no-one is taking in the actual detail of the kits. The rear wheels of the land fortress are larger than the front two pairs and it also has a fully modelled suspension system, which immediately makes it more likely to actually be able to work than a lot of the earlier 40k vehicles. I've had a closer look and it's seems that the front wheels are a touch taller and quite a bit wider than the one's on the Sagitaur. That might just be the perspective of the photos playing tricks on me so I'll concede that I might be wrong on that one.
When it comes to all the talk about modern designers not knowing what the old ones did, almost all 40k concept work is overseen if not directly designed by Jes Goodwin. The rhino, the grav tank and the modern marine tanks like the repulsor all come from his designs. It would not remotely surprise me to see that these vehicles were also concepted by him.
For me the biggest problem with the larger vehicle is the name. I would agree that it's clearly not a fortress. A name like Explorator would better fit how I imagine something like this operating.
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Months ago I was betting on the 17th for preorders, the 24th for general release. Looks like I was dead on. I need to buy a lotto ticket with that luck.
The real question: How long before the complaints of "LoV are OP" turn into players of the army complaining that they suck?
Chikout wrote: It's interesting to see all the complaints but no-one is taking in the actual detail of the kits. The rear wheels of the land fortress are larger than the front two pairs and it also has a fully modelled suspension system, which immediately makes it more likely to actually be able to work than a lot of the earlier 40k vehicles. I've had a closer look and it's seems that the front wheels are a touch taller and quite a bit wider than the one's on the Sagitaur. That might just be the perspective of the photos playing tricks on me so I'll concede that I might be wrong on that one.
When it comes to all the talk about modern designers not knowing what the old ones did, almost all 40k concept work is overseen if not directly designed by Jes Goodwin. The rhino, the grav tank and the modern marine tanks like the repulsor all come from his designs. It would not remotely surprise me to see that these vehicles were also concepted by him.
For me the biggest problem with the larger vehicle is the name. I would agree that it's clearly not a fortress. A name like Explorator would better fit how I imagine something like this operating.
It's the Main Gun.
With a dragon slayer like there is nothing else to say.
It's like a rehash of the old Riptide drama that came along when the Tau came on board.
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
Chikout wrote: It's interesting to see all the complaints but no-one is taking in the actual detail of the kits. The rear wheels of the land fortress are larger than the front two pairs and it also has a fully modelled suspension system, which immediately makes it more likely to actually be able to work than a lot of the earlier 40k vehicles. I've had a closer look and it's seems that the front wheels are a touch taller and quite a bit wider than the one's on the Sagitaur. That might just be the perspective of the photos playing tricks on me so I'll concede that I might be wrong on that one.
When it comes to all the talk about modern designers not knowing what the old ones did, almost all 40k concept work is overseen if not directly designed by Jes Goodwin. The rhino, the grav tank and the modern marine tanks like the repulsor all come from his designs. It would not remotely surprise me to see that these vehicles were also concepted by him.
For me the biggest problem with the larger vehicle is the name. I would agree that it's clearly not a fortress. A name like Explorator would better fit how I imagine something like this operating.
They interviewed (briefly) the designers about the leagues and jes has overseen this release so you are quite right. The modern designs have much more of a nod to actually working, or at least a coherent approach to actually working. Even in the grav tanks of the primaris, the share the same design elements. But this. Is what I like about Jes Goodwin designs, he doesn’t let practicality get in the way of a cool look or concept, like bubble canopies. What the rules guys do with it after that is their business and much less important to me.
Andykp wrote: They interviewed (briefly) the designers about the leagues and jes has overseen this release so you are quite right. The modern designs have much more of a nod to actually working, or at least a coherent approach to actually working. Even in the grav tanks of the primaris, the share the same design elements. But this. Is what I like about Jes Goodwin designs, he doesn’t let practicality get in the way of a cool look or concept, like bubble canopies. What the rules guys do with it after that is their business and much less important to me.
Was the interview posted to WarCom or their YouTube channel? I can't seem to find it.
Andykp wrote: They interviewed (briefly) the designers about the leagues and jes has overseen this release so you are quite right. The modern designs have much more of a nod to actually working, or at least a coherent approach to actually working. Even in the grav tanks of the primaris, the share the same design elements. But this. Is what I like about Jes Goodwin designs, he doesn’t let practicality get in the way of a cool look or concept, like bubble canopies. What the rules guys do with it after that is their business and much less important to me.
Was the interview posted to WarCom or their YouTube channel? I can't seem to find it.
Andykp wrote: They interviewed (briefly) the designers about the leagues and jes has overseen this release so you are quite right. The modern designs have much more of a nod to actually working, or at least a coherent approach to actually working. Even in the grav tanks of the primaris, the share the same design elements. But this. Is what I like about Jes Goodwin designs, he doesn’t let practicality get in the way of a cool look or concept, like bubble canopies. What the rules guys do with it after that is their business and much less important to me.
Was the interview posted to WarCom or their YouTube channel? I can't seem to find it.
Sadly very brief. I’d like to see a longer one like they did on the admech on that podcast they did. Liked that. Be good to here more about the process and thinking.
Sadly very brief. I’d like to see a longer one like they did on the admech on that podcast they did. Liked that. Be good to here more about the process and thinking.
Yes I'm hoping we get a fuller article about their design approach to the leagues. I was pretty surprised Jes did them - always thought of him as more of an elf..
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out of the enemy), and is quite fashionable. 
