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I wonder if they might do some more "traditional" less armoured squats in the second wave as more of a chaff unit, and I'm sure they'll do a VTOL gyrocopter inspired by Epic. Maybe some more fixed artillery too.

Let’s not start falling out over the size of he models that no one has seen yet. The pic of them with the ORKS makes them look very much like dwarves. Until we have the models to physically see we can’t comment really.

One thing I hope they do soon is a good look at alternate schemes for colours. Show off how they can look.

Just started watching the lastest battle report and one of the Thunderkyn can be modelled as an Iron kin. I wonder what else will have that option.

tneva82 wrote:
Well these "squats" don't have much of dwarf to begin with. And plenty of beardless heads. Do better job of being space hobbits

Also look awfully tall. They should be 3 heads shorter than basic primaris marines to be the usual dwarf height of 5 feet but from the size comparisons don't really look like that.

But GW themselves have said that the Kin are 4 feet tall?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well these "squats" don't have much of dwarf to begin with. And plenty of beardless heads. Do better job of being space hobbits

Also look awfully tall. They should be 3 heads shorter than basic primaris marines to be the usual dwarf height of 5 feet but from the size comparisons don't really look like that.

But GW themselves have said that the Kin are 4 feet tall?

Maybe all that bulky armor makes them look taller? (Watch the Cthonian Beserkers be taller than the armored ones haha)

Looks like the iron kin heads will be on a lot of kits with void armour, I wont be using any myself I don’t think so if anyone uk based wants more I can post them out when the kits start arriving. Just PM me.

This was the image they used in the article.

I doubt they are 4ft tall exactly. And I'm certain the beserks are bigger.

Andykp wrote:
Looks like the iron kin heads will be on a lot of kits with void armour, I wont be using any myself I don’t think so if anyone uk based wants more I can post them out when the kits start arriving. Just PM me.

What are you basing that on? We've only seen 1 Ironkin head

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Looks like the iron kin heads will be on a lot of kits with void armour, I wont be using any myself I don’t think so if anyone uk based wants more I can post them out when the kits start arriving. Just PM me.

What are you basing that on? We've only seen 1 Ironkin head

Read the thread. In the latest Warhammer plus bate report there is a thunderkyn with an Iron kin head.

Chikout wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Looks like the iron kin heads will be on a lot of kits with void armour, I wont be using any myself I don’t think so if anyone uk based wants more I can post them out when the kits start arriving. Just PM me.

What are you basing that on? We've only seen 1 Ironkin head

Read the thread. In the latest Warhammer plus bate report there is a thunderkyn with an Iron kin head.

Ah, missed that. Nice that they're usable on the lighter void armour too then.

This forum should have a sticky with generic complaints that come up with every single release, just to save space.

Some one complaining that GW models aren't actually scaled the same is definitely one of them.

Chikout wrote:
Just started watching the lastest battle report and one of the Thunderkyn can be modelled as an Iron kin. I wonder what else will have that option.

Thats very interesting. I wonder if all these kits come with extra bionic parts just so you can build a few Ironkins. I would very much like to have a unit of five and so far looks like 2 extra heads minimum are on those kits.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Just started watching the lastest battle report and one of the Thunderkyn can be modelled as an Iron kin. I wonder what else will have that option.

Thats very interesting. I wonder if all these kits come with extra bionic parts just so you can build a few Ironkins. I would very much like to have a unit of five and so far looks like 2 extra heads minimum are on those kits.

I don't get the impression the bionic parts are meant to be specific to the Ironkin, really.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Just started watching the lastest battle report and one of the Thunderkyn can be modelled as an Iron kin. I wonder what else will have that option.

Thats very interesting. I wonder if all these kits come with extra bionic parts just so you can build a few Ironkins. I would very much like to have a unit of five and so far looks like 2 extra heads minimum are on those kits.

I don't get the impression the bionic parts are meant to be specific to the Ironkin, really.

Agree, it seems you can use bionic bits with normal kin or make iron kin with normal bits. Bionic arms I legs I will use, iron kin heads not so much. I reckon (pure guess) there will be at least two ironkin heads in the basic troops box and one in the thunderers.

Just watched the new Battle Report.

Still don’t properly understand modern 40K, but Squats seem fairly pokey. And I hadn’t previously heard the Thunderers could field Grav weapons. I thought it was just C-Beamers and Heavy Bolter type.

It is a severe pain in the arse that GW are keeping this stuff behind Warhammer+.

I get it, because yeah that's one sure fire way to get some money and subs but even still.

 Jidmah wrote:
This forum should have a sticky with generic complaints that come up with every single release, just to save space.

Some one complaining that GW models aren't actually scaled the same is definitely one of them.

Yeah. It would be fine if the squats were taller than Marines...

 Jidmah wrote:
This forum should have a sticky with generic complaints that come up with every single release, just to save space.

Some one complaining that GW models aren't actually scaled the same is definitely one of them.

Except most of the infantry models they make ARE actually in the same scale - Marines are in the same scale as Guardsman, as Orks, as Adpetus Mechanicus and so on, which GW puts a good effort into and is generally consistent about, so they do look as they should when side by side.

I mean if they were not supposed to be the same scale, would GW go through the immense effort of upscaling the ENTIRE Marine range to be visibly taller and bulkier than humans, while simultenously keeping both flavours of new Guardsmen roughly the same height as they were before?

I think you need to learn the difference between exact scale and relative scale.

But you self-owned yourself anyways, that nob should absolutely not be smaller than the primaris marine in almost the same pose, proving that scale is vastly off even for the most recent models.

 Jidmah wrote:
I think you need to learn the difference between exact scale and relative scale.

But you self-owned yourself anyways, that nob should absolutely not be smaller than the primaris marine in almost the same pose, proving that scale is vastly off even for the most recent models.

Primaris are around 8 fand a half feet tall, Nobs can be 7-8' tall, and as all Orks are horribly hunched over. So taller and bulkier than your average human, but not quite the height of a Primaris is exactly right.

Good thing you posted that as a reminder for me to finally pick up the stellar ork kommando kit.

It is a great kit, makes me feel sad about the new Boyz everytime though.

Yes since matines upscale all orks are way to small. The more they fight the bigger they are and they are always fighting. They should be the largest race easily.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I think you need to learn the difference between exact scale and relative scale.

But you self-owned yourself anyways, that nob should absolutely not be smaller than the primaris marine in almost the same pose, proving that scale is vastly off even for the most recent models.

Primaris are around 8 fand a half feet tall, Nobs can be 7-8' tall, and as all Orks are horribly hunched over. So taller and bulkier than your average human, but not quite the height of a Primaris is exactly right.

Wrong. Regular boyz are 7-8' tall, nobz are taller, being at least 8', up to 10' tall according to most sources, some have them even larger. The size chart in 3rd edition's codex has a nob at 8.5 feet despite being hunched over in the typical ork pose.
On top of that, this particular sculpt is the most upright standing ork ever made by GW, having a perfectly straight back and is not hunched over at all. Therefore, it should be at least as tall, if not taller than the 8.5' primaris.

As is, the primaris standing a full head taller than the kommadoz nob is just as much out of scale as kin compared to the primaris.

 Olthannon wrote:
It is a severe pain in the arse that GW are keeping this stuff behind Warhammer+.

I get it, because yeah that's one sure fire way to get some money and subs but even still.

To be fair, whilst the Squat BR are fairly informative, it’s only because the info being revealed is new. The reports themselves, whilst fun, are nothing to write home about.

Orks have always been described as being the same height as a human but hunched over, says it in the 8th editon codex and earliest stuff. It’s the standard description of an ORK. So thing you’re off with the 7-8’ for a boy.

This obsession with everything being huge always baffles me, leave marines at seven foot and ORKS being big hunched over human sized things and it al, works. Chuck in 10’ primarchs and it all gets silly.

Andykp wrote:
Orks have always been described as being the same height as a human but hunched over, says it in the 8th editon codex and earliest stuff. It’s the standard description of an ORK. So thing you’re off with the 7-8’ for a boy.

This obsession with everything being huge always baffles me, leave marines at seven foot and ORKS being big hunched over human sized things and it al, works. Chuck in 10’ primarchs and it all gets silly.

I mean, Primarchs used to be the "blueprint" for Marines. Basically they should be Tactical Marines.

Horus AND the Emperor once fought an Ork Boss and barely survived (and couldn't kill the Ork) back in the olden days.

Also Custodes used to be shirtless humans with dome helm.



Scaling up everything and anything to be more .... *cough* ... epic is what sells, I guess.

Custodes always had pointy helmets, thank you.


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Andykp wrote:
Orks have always been described as being the same height as a human but hunched over, says it in the 8th editon codex and earliest stuff. It’s the standard description of an ORK. So thing you’re off with the 7-8’ for a boy.

This obsession with everything being huge always baffles me, leave marines at seven foot and ORKS being big hunched over human sized things and it al, works. Chuck in 10’ primarchs and it all gets silly.

Same height despite the hunched posture, noting they’d be noticeably taller than a man if they stood up straight.

 Olthannon wrote:


This was the image they used in the article.

I doubt they are 4ft tall exactly. And I'm certain the beserks are bigger.

I believe I estimated that Squat at half a head shorter than a Fire Warrior when GW released the picture. That would make them more like five feet tall. It'll be nice to see good size comparisons once people get their hands on the models, be it the free store model or the launch box.

Boosykes wrote:
Yes since matines upscale all orks are way to small. The more they fight the bigger they are and they are always fighting. They should be the largest race easily.

Kommandos are sneaky gits that done fight like proper Orks. Their Nob should be puny.

I guess that if primaris are meant to be 8 and a half foot and the Votann model is about half that, then it's good enough.

I don't know what size they are but they look about the same as the AoS ones.