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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Or the Horus Heresy Power Fursuit

That helmet that's been part of the Space Wolves since the 90s?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Or the Horus Heresy Power Fursuit

That helmet that's been part of the Space Wolves since the 90s?

Yes, the helmet that's been part of a few characters and showed up like once in one plastic set beforehand, the same one of which you get 10 copies with little variation as your one and only Space Wolf helmet option that's not specific to Grey Slayers.

That very same helmet.

 alextroy wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
So, unless I'm misreading something, based on today's interview it sounds like the design studio very deliberately chose to move the LoV beyond the dwarf archetype. I appreciate this, honestly. To me, 40k is at its worst when it's too derivative of other fantasy or sci-fi tropes, or when it just imports historical analogues without sufficient change.

40k is at its worst when it is... being 40k? That's an interesting take.

I really don't get the idea of wanting a Fantasy in Space setting to not be what it's meant to be.

I really don't understand these last two comments. crumby_cataphract is rather clear that he likes it when 40K takes its source material and transforms it rather than than just importing it.

I would think they find Space Wolves to be fine in concept, but gets rather ridiculous when you start adding things like the Stormwolf/Stormfang (flying Viking Longboat) and Logan Grimnir on a sleigh (Odin as Santa Claus).

Thank you, yes. You've expressed my feelings better than I did. I'm not opposed at all to 40k taking the germ of its ideas from other settings. It just seems more interesting to me when they put their own spin on these initial inspirations, kind of like they've done with the LoV.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Or the Horus Heresy Power Fursuit

I've watched the flashgitz cartoons. That's clearly heretic only!

GW is mocking me.

“The Leagues exo-armour went through several iterations”, Jes continues. “Trying to evoke the feel of early Terminator suits while making them their own thing was a bit of a balancing act. In the end I looked back at a very early Terminator model I made in the eighties, before the design that we are familiar with today was set. The huge pauldrons, exposed spine, and inset bowl helmet are from there.

The picture they show right after?



Yeah, let's talk about how the new helmet is inspired by the old helmet and then not show the new helmet...

I think the bigger takeaway is that these may be a tease of how a Saturnine termie release might look if GW were to rerelease them. Not an exact look, mind you, but more an idea of how they may interpret some of those design elements and proportions, etc.

I'd be disappointed if the Terminator got that much of a reimagining. I'll take Jes's word on what his inspiration was, he'd know better than me after all, but I would never have guessed that the shoulder pads were supposed to hark back to that armor variant. As large as the Squat pauldrons are, they cap out at the top of the head and are nowhere close to towering over head and torso and shaping the armor's silhouette like they do on the Terminator.

 Geifer wrote:
GW is mocking me.

“The Leagues exo-armour went through several iterations”, Jes continues. “Trying to evoke the feel of early Terminator suits while making them their own thing was a bit of a balancing act. In the end I looked back at a very early Terminator model I made in the eighties, before the design that we are familiar with today was set. The huge pauldrons, exposed spine, and inset bowl helmet are from there.

The picture they show right after?



Yeah, let's talk about how the new helmet is inspired by the old helmet and then not show the new helmet...

They changed the picture. Originally it was the other style of terminator shown at the bottom here:



I feel like the Exo-suit would have been better if the shoulders were sleeker and more curved like the Terminator. An artist on twitter did a paintover of something like that and I think it makes quite a difference:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndroidArts/status/1556716978651398145

Wish the launch box didn't have two squads of kin in it. I would rather have had a different second squad. I am aware that's is a basic legal force ruleswise, but initially I am interested in the painting and 20 of the same model is not as appealing. I'll definitely be picking up some LoV but the launch box won't be it due to the lack of variation.

Well it's supposed to be a starting force, and two squads of your only troops choice is pretty good.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

I feel like the Exo-suit would have been better if the shoulders were sleeker and more curved like the Terminator. An artist on twitter did a paintover of something like that and I think it makes quite a difference:


https://mobile.twitter.com/AndroidArts/status/1556716978651398145

Yeah, that looks much better. I think most of the Votann infantry suffers from comical Warcraft shoulder pads making them weirdly top heavy.

So instead of a Terran Marine it now looks like X-01 power armor.

I took a step back (literally, for unrelated reasons) and I don't have a problem with the silhouette GW went with. In my opinion the blocky, heavy look works just fine for dwarfs. I'm just not sure if the separate plates atop the shoulder pad add anything. It's an element they also put on the vehicles, most visibly on the Road Caravan, so I can see why they would put something like that on heavy personal armor, but to me it looks distracting.

On the bright side, these seem to be set up like Marine shoulder pads, so replacing them should be easy.

 Sureshot05 wrote:
Wish the launch box didn't have two squads of kin in it. I would rather have had a different second squad. I am aware that's is a basic legal force ruleswise, but initially I am interested in the painting and 20 of the same model is not as appealing. I'll definitely be picking up some LoV but the launch box won't be it due to the lack of variation.

I take it a squad each with a different basic weapon doesn't appeal? Between that and the sergeant and special weapon options I could see getting some variety out of twenty of the basic guys.

Plates strike me as Ablatives. Something easily switched out between missions to ensure maintenance is as straight forward as possible.

That looks really cool Mentlegen, the shoulder curve reminds me a bit of the Frank Horrigan Fallout miniature




I do love these new designs! Hopefully those exo-armour will come with a helmeted head and enough for the squad, if not I am sure there will be 3rd party or 3D print alternatives out within months

I’m pretty sure there’ll be enough helmets in the kit. They are the only helmeted heads I like on the models so far, except the Karlhs.

Those pauldrons are ripped straight from Starcraft. The protrusions are in the exact same spots.

 Pacific wrote:
That looks really cool Mentlegen, the shoulder curve reminds me a bit of the Frank Horrigan Fallout miniature

Spoiler:

I do love these new designs! Hopefully those exo-armour will come with a helmeted head and enough for the squad, if not I am sure there will be 3rd party or 3D print alternatives out within months

We've seen a helmeted Einhyr though?

I find it quite hilarious that they hearken back to their early terminators for the supposed influence for that nusquat armour, yet all I can see when I look at it is starcraft marines smushed with some world of warcraft influence for the pauldrons being as awkwardly offset from the head as they are.

It would be truly interesting to get an actually candid explanation of their design process and influences that was sincere to what they looked at, rather than a, "see look, we only copy our own ideas, honestly" PR piece that we get instead.

But in a world where GW has argued in court that their ideas are 100% their own and completely original, we will unfortunately never get that.

Remember, GW are on record in the Chapterhouse case as saying they don't take inspiration from other sources despite the artists and other employees comments to the contrary over the decades.

Guys stop bumping this thread with your political BS, please.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Guys stop bumping this thread with your political BS, please.

Very much this.

Army Box is on pre-order next weekend.

Sunday Preview – The Leagues of Votann Are on Their Way

beast_gts wrote:
Army Box is on pre-order next weekend.

Sunday Preview – The Leagues of Votann Are on Their Way

Brilliant news, can't wait.

by now I am just waiting for the first Resin Bits to appear to turn all the small old Marines into Votan

Cutting off the exhaust from the backpack, get some round helmets and weapon bits and be done

looks like LOV next week
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/11/sunday-preview-the-leagues-of-votann-are-on-their-way/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sunpreview11092022&fbclid=IwAR34w4smexMWJ5WJrgFbtDfqnteuLv_HMLDh_eFuQtY7rZ3yeobGfyxFtoY

I like the Judgement tokens

Looking like that the kits will have loads of heads, helmeted, bare, semi closed helmets and iron... Also a throwing grenade option on the one painted in red.

Exiting times.

Well, the more I see of the LoV the more I like the look of them.

As someone who had loads of epic Squats and an army of flak jacketed stunties I have to say....I like this new aesthetic a lot more.

The hover trikes are the only thing I don't particularly like but I can live with them!

Just gonna say I hate that GW really changed Power From Pain to do away with Pain Tokens. Now these new guys have tokens...

Have the army sets recently been limited or easy enough to order? Can't remember what the craic was with the chaos knights set.