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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It might have something do with Australia being on the other side of the world though.

It doesn't. Forge World will manufacture two of the same items, sell one to someone in the UK for one price, and one to someone in Oz for a different price (anywhere from 20%-40% more), and then you add shipping.

Really? Well that's weird then. Maybe they're charging for shipping twice due to a clerical error?

Nope. It came about when FW started doing regional pricing. They tried to talk it up as being a way of avoiding "expensive currency conversion fees". I'll pay a few bucks conversion fee over a 40% price increase.

And this affects everyone, BTW, not just Oz. If you buy FW and live in the US, or Canadia, or Japan or Brazil, you pay more for the same items as someone from the UK before shipping costs are added.

It's why I've not bought a single thing from FW since that change.

You'll be horrified to learn that most companies do this.

n/m

You're just baiting people. As usual.

Size comparisons of the Votann vehicles & Heartguard by Garfy: https://twitter.com/Garfytwit/status/1586854937169993731

Land Fortress seems to be about Land Raider Proteus sized with a turret on top.

Everyone here has at some point been accused of something by you when they have the temerity to disagree with what you're saying. No one cares anymore.


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 stahly wrote:
Size comparisons of the Votann vehicles & Heartguard by Garfy: https://twitter.com/Garfytwit/status/1586854937169993731

Land Fortress seems to be about Land Raider Proteus sized with a turret on top.

Looks a little too dinky imo.

 stahly wrote:
Size comparisons of the Votann vehicles & Heartguard by Garfy: https://twitter.com/Garfytwit/status/1586854937169993731

Land Fortress seems to be about Land Raider Proteus sized with a turret on top.

Your pictures are excellent as always.

It's weird though, WintersSEO has a battle report up on his YT channel right now where he takes on the NotSquats with his Marines. Whomever is fielding the Votann was sent one of every box, so with some exceptions has a single Land Fortress in the list, and it looks huge compared to everything else. But in your pics it doesn't, so maybe it's just a trick of the eye when you have one in a sea of (actually smaller) Hyrthkyn. Either way, it's an odd looking thing, and I'm surprised the Necromunda cargo carrier is actually bigger. I should build mine.

JWBS wrote:
Everyone here has at some point been accused of something by you when they have the temerity to disagree with what you're saying. No one cares anymore.

Thank you for attempting to make me a better person. I will endeavour to work harder at not engaging with those I have on my ignore list.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Everyone here has at some point been accused of something by you when they have the temerity to disagree with what you're saying. No one cares anymore.

Thank you for attempting to make me a better person. I will endeavour to work harder at not engaging with those I have on my ignore list.

Very hurt to learn that I'm on your ignore list yet also greatly relieved that this response wasn't entirely ad hominem you're a slightly better person already and you are of course welcome for the help.

Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

That army picture is nice to see in so far as it confirms that the army isn't for me. The look isn't inspiring.

I waited to form my final opinion until the 360 pictures on the online store were released, and I don't find a lot of it appealing. I'm still game for stealing a moon buggy for my Genestealer Cult and the Terminator equivalents might be cool to convert and/or paint, but as an army the new Squats do nothing for me. Maybe that changes when they get another wave of models with their next codex.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

 cole1114 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

Thats the spice of life we all like different things.

Im really curious to see what they bring in for next edition.

A flyer like the artwork we have seen is probably a strong candidate... we need another troop slot ( maybe ironkin only) and what I really would love to have is a big dread sized suit like the FW one with options.

 cole1114 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

What about them doesn't fit the setting? They're big bulky heavily armoured exploration/utility vehicles.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

Thats the spice of life we all like different things.

Im really curious to see what they bring in for next edition.

A flyer like the artwork we have seen is probably a strong candidate... we need another troop slot ( maybe ironkin only) and what I really would love to have is a big dread sized suit like the FW one with options.

The current Hearthkyn box all ready has options for pistol/CCW in them, however it's not an option in the rules. I'd like to see that added. I agree with you on the second troops slot and either a Dreadnought or something like the Dreadknigh/Invictus Warsuit.


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I've been modeling up some 3rd party miniatures that have a bit more"dwarf" feel to them. The transports are almost exactly Rhino length, width, and height, so it looks like they won't be out of place for a Sagitaur.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

What about them doesn't fit the setting? They're big bulky heavily armoured exploration/utility vehicles.

Yeah in a war game. Heavily armed exploration vehicles doesn't fit the bill for me. Mantic's Forgefather vehicles are closer at least.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah the size seems to be deceiving depending on what you compare it with.

I found a picture online of one of everything and the Hekaton seems the perfect size for the Votann.

Yeah that and Garfy's pictures it seems like its a good scale across the range. The more I see the vehicles the more I love them.

Exact opposite for me, they just don't feel like they fit the setting to me.

What about them doesn't fit the setting? They're big bulky heavily armoured exploration/utility vehicles.

Yeah in a war game. Heavily armed exploration vehicles doesn't fit the bill for me. Mantic's Forgefather vehicles are closer at least.

They're designed and for use in some of the most dangerous and harsh environments in the galaxy. They're multi-purpose vehicles that are armed and armoured to such a degree that they can withstand battlefield conditions just as well as their daily work, because there's a lot of overlap in the hazards faced. The Leagues whole theming is militarized pioneer/explorer/industrial Space Dwarfs.

You said they don't look like they fit the setting though, I don't see how when there is no singular theme/style for 40k?

 cole1114 wrote:
Mantic's Forgefather vehicles are closer at least.

That's what I'm using. Mantic tanks using a space marine cupula and twin heavy bolters from the Dark Angel land speeder and a land speeder missile pod.

Hopefully we do get some proper military vehicles for the Leagues eventually, while I do like the Hekaton it's a bit hard to think of it as equivalent to a tank.

I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

Well. They suit better than votann's for those who want dwarves.

Votann is fine generic alien. Dwarf? Much less so.

On topic of a second Troops choice, I'd like to see pioneers on foot (probably with pump action revolver bolt shotguns if close combat loadout can be handled with the existing Troops kit). No idea if that makes sense in the rules, but I think it would add something fun visually.

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

I'm just quoting this because I'd like to say that the underlined part perfectly describes my first Space Marines and that never stopped me from spending way too much money on Marines over the years. To each their own indeed.

tneva82 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

Well. They suit better than votann's for those who want dwarves.

Votann is fine generic alien. Dwarf? Much less so.

Well its a personal thing - the Votann look perfect to me as a dwarf race- really love their aesthetics. I don't like the mantic stuff at all but if they work for you go for it. Its good that there are plenty of alt options out there for different folks tastes. I'm glad that GW did their won thing with them, they look iconic to me already, but thats just my taste. They seem to have gone done well with the wider community too which is good to see.

I would like to read more lore for them- hoping for a novel and /or a large presence in one of the upcoming campaign books [which is possible as the only war zone mentioned in the codex has the Kin battling Chaos forces].

 silverstu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

Well. They suit better than votann's for those who want dwarves.

Votann is fine generic alien. Dwarf? Much less so.

Well its a personal thing - the Votann look perfect to me as a dwarf race- really love their aesthetics. I don't like the mantic stuff at all but if they work for you go for it. Its good that there are plenty of alt options out there for different folks tastes. I'm glad that GW did their won thing with them, they look iconic to me already, but thats just my taste. They seem to have gone done well with the wider community too which is good to see.

I would like to read more lore for them- hoping for a novel and /or a large presence in one of the upcoming campaign books [which is possible as the only war zone mentioned in the codex has the Kin battling Chaos forces].

GW did well with the design since I lost count of how many posts I have seen on social media saying " been away for 30 years but Votann got me back into being exited and collecting 40k again" The design is tapping into old and new fans at the same time. Not much more you could ask for in therms of design.
Votaan are 100% dwarf in space IMO.
Mantic is unfortunately less quality on all fronts. Theres several futuristic dwarfs from other companies that I would rather be more interested in getting before looking at mantic.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Hopefully we do get some proper military vehicles for the Leagues eventually, while I do like the Hekaton it's a bit hard to think of it as equivalent to a tank.

40k “tanks” are all manner of things, a big armoured wheel vehicle isn’t too untank like really.

Starcraft Humans looking more like Dwarfs (or Aliens) than Space Dwarves?
I cannot follow that but to each their own

for the Votaan, my main problem is the same as with most recent GW lines, there are nice individual elements, but the overall theme does not fit

like the army is supposed to be an exploration/mining gang that use the same stuff for combat, therefore a non military style, yet their armour and equipment is dedicated to war (the exploration vehicle has way too much guns and not enough exploration equipment to be anything else than a Battle Tank) with a highly technological advanced humans that need to improvise vehicles for war

I think the last line I liked as a whole was the Dark Eldar re-design

 Geifer wrote:
On topic of a second Troops choice, I'd like to see pioneers on foot (probably with pump action revolver bolt shotguns if close combat loadout can be handled with the existing Troops kit). No idea if that makes sense in the rules, but I think it would add something fun visually.

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

I'm just quoting this because I'd like to say that the underlined part perfectly describes my first Space Marines and that never stopped me from spending way too much money on Marines over the years. To each their own indeed.

30 years ago! RTB01 wouldn’t make a dent in the market if someone released something of that poor quality now. GW have even redone the old spacemarine stuff and I love it, but it’s so much better than the old stuff.

Not looked at mantic stuff for a while, let alone bought any, but their thing was always that they were cheaper then GW, but they never came close quality wise.


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tneva82 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can like the mantis dwarfs. They are hideous, with weird proportions and and just look cheap and crappy. But each to his own.

Well. They suit better than votann's for those who want dwarves.

Votann is fine generic alien. Dwarf? Much less so.

Votann-
Short ✔️
Beards ✔️
Tools ✔️

That’s the whole “dwarf” checklist there.

Forge fathers-
Weird helmets, weird leg proportions making them too heavy, piss poor quality. Yes they are dwarfy but they are hideous (IMO). Only thing worse is their version of ORKS. They are FUGLY.

Andykp wrote:

Votann-
Short ✔️
Beards ✔️
Tools ✔️

That’s the whole “dwarf” checklist there.

yeah, I you can play the old Space Wolves as they are as new Votann and no one should have any problem with it
there are Tools, Beards and the models are the same size, just add wheels to your Land Raider and you have a 40k Space Dwarfs Army

 kodos wrote:

Andykp wrote:

Votann-
Short ✔️
Beards ✔️
Tools ✔️

That’s the whole “dwarf” checklist there.

yeah, I you can play the old Space Wolves as they are as new Votann and no one should have any problem with it
there are Tools, Beards and the models are the same size, just add wheels to your Land Raider and you have a 40k Space Dwarfs Army

Was going to say they are a bit tall, but they aren’t are they!